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[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]so the bulls without d rose went 7-13. :roll: rose did score 28 points and 7 assists.:roll:
12 straight as the leader. lebron was losing as the leader, but he earned it over rose? keep trying.[/QUOTE]
Give me 1 reason outside of team success why Rose was the MVP.
It's an individual award. Not a team award. Most valuable player, not most valuable team.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Give me 1 reason outside of team success why Rose was the MVP.
It's an individual award. Not a team award. Most valuable player, not most valuable team.[/QUOTE]
are you actually sitting here saying theres not 1 reason rose should have won the mvp, are you that delusional and misinformed? ive already made few points in the previous posts if you could read them without your stan glasses on.
and if leading your team to winning games doesnt dictate you as a great player then. :hammerhead:
mr brandon jennings = derrick rose. :facepalm how stupid just get off the forums.
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle][B]are you actually sitting here saying theres not 1 reason rose should have won the mvp,[/B] are you that delusional and misinformed? ive already made few points in the previous posts if you could read them without your stan glasses on.
and if leading your team to winning games doesnt dictate you as a great player then. :hammerhead:
mr brandon jennings = derrick rose. :facepalm how stupid just get off the forums.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I am. Go ahead and tell me 1. Not team success. Why as an individual player, he was the most valuable. G'head.
[QUOTE=SCdac]Rose dropping 39 points , shitting all over the Magic at the end of the season :applause:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fPfoaloEzQ[/url][/QUOTE]
The Bulls barely beat us that game and we didn't even have Howard, and we had Jameer on Rose, if Rose didn't score 30+ on him I'd have been disappointed. Not that impressive.
[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Ah can't argue with me because you know I'm right so you make fun of my favorite player. I don't think I need to point out how irrelevant Kyrie is to this discussion but I don't think you know what that means because every reason you've posted as to why Rose deserved it over lebron (which I'm not even arguing I agree that he did) has been irrelevant. Then again you people think Rose is responsible for your defensive success when in reality he's barely better at Kyrie at defense and that's only because he's more athletic.[/QUOTE]
why would i debate your statement? i guess lebron doesnt deserve credit for miami heat winning games. :roll: theory debunked.
you clearly hate it though since you are a kyrie fan, and he cant lead his team to victory for shit.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yes, I am. Go ahead and tell me 1. Not team success. Why as an individual player, he was the most valuable. G'head.[/QUOTE]
okay, ill qoute it for you since you cant read with your stan glasses on :lol
[QUOTE]d rose scored more clutch points than lebron, with only being assisted 12% of the time, and lebron being assisted twice as much. rose dished out alot more clutch assists than lebron did, and had a better winning percentage in the end. deal with it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]rose scored 28 points and 7 assists againt the top 8 teams in the league. [/QUOTE]
^the highest out of any player in the league matter of fact. but you cant count team wins because rose has nothing to do with those. the idiocy on this thread:roll: "use stats but only the stats that i like"
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]okay, ill qoute it for you since you cant read with your stan glasses[/QUOTE]
Ok, you're saying Rose is more clutch than Lerbon...... And? How does being more "clutch" than LeBron make you the most valuable player of the entire league? It's not like Rose was the only player more clutch than LeBron. Melo is more clutch too. Why not give him the 2011 MVP? If that is your sole criteria.
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by SCdac
Rose dropping 39 points , shitting all over the Magic at the end of the season
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fPfoaloEzQ[/url][/QUOTE]
if you fastforward to 3:40 mark you can hear 2 guys that actually know basketball tell you why d rose would be there pick for mvp.
[QUOTE=pauk]He deserved it that year, happened to be the best player in his team which had the best record... he was my pick for MVP[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5893105&postcount=113[/url]
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Ok, you're saying Rose is more clutch than Lerbon...... And? How does being more "clutch" than LeBron make you the most valuable player of the entire league? It's not like Rose was the only player more clutch than LeBron. Melo is more clutch too. Why not give him the 2011 MVP? If that is your sole criteria.[/QUOTE]
you are either really dumb, or you are trolling. you asked for one reason and i gave you 2. now you dont like it? :roll:
[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]It's hilarious when people use team stats to prop up one player. ****ing idiots.[/QUOTE]
Not just propping up, but people have used it to put down other players too.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCGdhGxNjk&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]
D Rose was nasty. Will he ever be this good again?
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]you are either really dumb, or you are trolling. you asked for one reason and i gave you 2. now you dont like it? :roll:[/QUOTE]
That's not a reason though. Being more clutch than LeBron doesn't make you the MVP of the league. Especially when multiple players can make the exact same claim.
If "clutch" is your only criteria for MVP, why would you even give it to Rose of all people? Just because he's more clutch than LeBron? So what? So are other players. Some of the other players were more clutch tha Rose too. Why not just give it to the player who the the most clutch?
Got news for you, it's not even true that rose was more clutch than LeBron. Lets just assume it is though, even though LeBron shot more than 3% better than rose did in clutch situations. Lets pretend rose was more clutch than LeBron. :rolleyes:
Kobe had the exact same FG% as Rose in the clutch, but he also scored 2 more points per 48 in the clutch. If being clutch is your only criteria, why the fcuk should rose be ahead of Kobe in the MVP race?
2011 should have been the first time in NBA History they gave a MVP award to a whole Team. Bulls Team did more than just Rose. Rose just shot jacked to look like a leader. Can't even beat the true MVP, LeBron.:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Dionysus]2011 should have been the first time in NBA History they gave a MVP award to a whole Team. Bulls Team did more than just Rose. Rose just shot jacked to look like a leader. Can't even beat the true MVP, LeBron.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
You're a disgrace to all Brits :facepalm
a) That was the year the media was making LeBron pay for 'taking his talents to South Beach'
b) He has won the previous two years and the media was tired of giving it to the same guy every year (see: Jordan)
[QUOTE=NumberSix]That's not a reason though. Being more clutch than LeBron doesn't make you the MVP of the league. Especially when multiple players can make the exact same claim.
If "clutch" is your only criteria for MVP, why would you even give it to Rose of all people? Just because he's more clutch than LeBron? So what? So are other players. Some of the other players were more clutch tha Rose too. Why not just give it to the player who the the most clutch?
Got news for you, it's not even true that rose was more clutch than LeBron. Lets just assume it is though, even though LeBron shot more than 3% better than rose did in clutch situations. Lets pretend rose was more clutch than LeBron. :rolleyes:
Kobe had the exact same FG% as Rose in the clutch, but he also scored 2 more points per 48 in the clutch. If being clutch is your only criteria, why the fcuk should rose be ahead of Kobe in the MVP race?[/QUOTE]
didnt read. anybody that thinks jennings = rose is either really dumb or trolling. actually i will read.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]That's not a reason though. Being more clutch than LeBron doesn't make you the MVP of the league. Especially when multiple players can make the exact same claim.
If "clutch" is your only criteria for MVP, why would you even give it to Rose of all people? Just because he's more clutch than LeBron? So what? So are other players. Some of the other players were more clutch tha Rose too. Why not just give it to the player who the the most clutch?
Got news for you, it's not even true that rose was more clutch than LeBron. Lets just assume it is though, even though LeBron shot more than 3% better than rose did in clutch situations. Lets pretend rose was more clutch than LeBron. :rolleyes:
Kobe had the exact same FG% as Rose in the clutch, but he also scored 2 more points per 48 in the clutch. If being clutch is your only criteria, why the fcuk should rose be ahead of Kobe in the MVP race?[/QUOTE]
so youre asking me for 1 reason why he deserved the mvp and expect 1 criteria to satisfy that? :roll: do you see how dumb you are, there is not 1 criteria in basketball that determines an mvp but thats your whole argument?
again idiot, i never said being clutch was the one determining factor, thats the one point i made when you asked me to give you one point. :lol
check the win percentage between rose and lebron in clutch games. :roll:
but but but lebron is efficient but doesnt have a winning record in clutch games. but but but winning games doesnt matter. check derrick roses assist vs lebrons in clutch. even check derrick roses rebounds in the clutch vs lebrons HAHAHAHA
[QUOTE=jzek]a) That was the year the media was making LeBron pay for 'taking his talents to South Beach'
b) He has won the previous two years and the media was tired of giving it to the same guy every year (see: Jordan)[/QUOTE]
Who cares Rose won it Lebron cant win it year year just like jordan couldnt win it year year
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]actually, there were only like 3 more games after that and i think it was 2-1 so it would have been 7-13. which is still ridiculous compared to 14-7 with rose. so "indeed", rose makes the bulls a contender and without rose they are not winning anything.[/QUOTE]
Regular season games are regular season games and only in the playoffs do elite matchups matter. Period. If you want to cherry pick to that degree I can say with Rose the Bulls were complacent and actually had a worse record against lesser teams.
Without Rose this team still wins playoff series. Without Rose that season they were still +5.1 PTs / 48 min. That would drop them into a virtual tie with Boston for the 2 seed in the East. Without D12 Orlando was -5.4 PTs / 48 which pushes them to #25 in the NBA. In fact without him on the floor Orl gave up 52% FG. And without LeBron Miami was -.1 PTs / 48. Which means they Would have dropped to ~8 seed.
And these are NOT small sample sizes. Each of them has about a 30 game college seasons worth of data.
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]why would i debate your statement? i guess lebron doesnt deserve credit for miami heat winning games. :roll: theory debunked.
you clearly hate it though since you are a kyrie fan, and he cant lead his team to victory for shit.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say I'm not giving him credit? I already told you I think rose was number two that year by barely anything he played great. I just think Dwight was better but the two of them were way ahead of the rest
[QUOTE=NumberSix]That's not a reason though. Being more clutch than LeBron doesn't make you the MVP of the league. Especially when multiple players can make the exact same claim.
If "clutch" is your only criteria for MVP, why would you even give it to Rose of all people? Just because he's more clutch than LeBron? So what? So are other players. Some of the other players were more clutch tha Rose too. Why not just give it to the player who the the most clutch?
Got news for you, it's not even true that rose was more clutch than LeBron. Lets just assume it is though, even though LeBron shot more than 3% better than rose did in clutch situations. Lets pretend rose was more clutch than LeBron. :rolleyes:
Kobe had the exact same FG% as Rose in the clutch, but he also scored 2 more points per 48 in the clutch. If being clutch is your only criteria, why the fcuk should rose be ahead of Kobe in the MVP race?[/QUOTE]
Somethings are results oriented. You play to win the game. If you think Kobe or Lebron were as productive in clutch situations that year you have totally lost it. And then when it came to elite teams the separation got a whole lot bigger. Against the better teams would you say Lebron was a difference maker that year? They lost frequently. Was there not confusion as to who was the leader that year when better teams came at Miami? Not a knock on Lebron but it was still Wade's team and they got in each others way a bit too much.
What player had other coaches talking about their leadership? What star player had more responsibility than Rose? Durant might be the league's greatest scorer ever. When Westbrook went out his game suffered tremendously. Rose played with that type of attention for 81 games. Thibes spent 2 hours of practice on defense and shooting and a half hour on offense. Rose had to improvise a lot of the time. Rarely was there a big game from another offensive player, yet Rose was 3 ppg away from Durant for the scoring lead. Rose was the only scorer getting a lot of assist when he didn't really have finishers or consistent shooters. Lebron had one of the games best scorers helping him out for 70 plus games. Rose didn't know who was going to help him out from night to night.
Just too big a difference when a defense just keys in on one player vs having another unstoppable scorer on your team. Kobe, Wade, Lebron and DH have consistent, skilled scoring threats on their team while the Bulls didn't know who was going to be the secondary threat.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]That's not a reason though. Being more clutch than LeBron doesn't make you the MVP of the league. Especially when multiple players can make the exact same claim.
If "clutch" is your only criteria for MVP, why would you even give it to Rose of all people? Just because he's more clutch than LeBron? So what? So are other players. Some of the other players were more clutch tha Rose too. Why not just give it to the player who the the most clutch?
Got news for you, it's not even true that rose was more clutch than LeBron. Lets just assume it is though, even though LeBron shot more than 3% better than rose did in clutch situations. Lets pretend rose was more clutch than LeBron. :rolleyes:
Kobe had the exact same FG% as Rose in the clutch, but he also scored 2 more points per 48 in the clutch. If being clutch is your only criteria, why the fcuk should rose be ahead of Kobe in the MVP race?[/QUOTE]
So to answer your question about other reasons Rose should have won MVP... Rose because of
A.His timely play against elite teams discrepancy versus DH and Lebron was considerable.
B. His domination of the elite at his position despite the position being abundant with quality players.
C. Leadership which has proven to tax all the elite players (only Durant and Rose can be excluded) in new situations these last three years (Lebron, Wade, Kobe, DH, Nash, Mello, Dirk, Paul, DWill). Not only other greats talking about it but other active coaches as well talking about Rose's leadership that year.
D. The responsibility Rose had offensively was just way more than any other candidate. And he was practically just as productive as the best.
E. As Sdac pointed out - Scored a solid 25% of his teams total regular season points and dished 34% of his teams total assists. More value, more pressure, more responsibility, more expected offensively from him than any of the other candidates. Amazingly he had more wins.
F. His effort and hard play every game just could not be said of other contenders. Lebron, not so much but he definitely went into fogs for a good number of games (was he the leader, was he the villian, didn't know when to step up, he lost his identity several times there). DH had suspensions and just not productive games after March 1st when he was really needed.
G. His team having more obstacles than the contenders. Or simply put, no excuses, we win attitude.
H. Team had one of the best perimeter defenses.
This is off the top of my head. But I will add to it and post it every time this nonsense comes up.