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What are you guys even debating? :oldlol:
That Kobe playing above average would have mobilized Detroit, and gave the Lakers a chance? I could buy that although I still don't think they win the series. Our issues were bigger than just Kobe playing horrible basketball, like not having Malone healthy. That really phucked us.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]WHY WOULD THE LAKERS PLAY BETTER OFFENSE AGAINST THE PISTONS THAN THEY DID ALL YEAR AND IN THE PLAYOFFS?
You stupid ****ing moron....I'm referencing other series and the entire year....
Explain yourself you ****ing idiot.[/QUOTE]
I'm done with your retarded ass. You can't even comprehend simple english. I'm not repeating myself a billion times for you.
[QUOTE= catch24]That Kobe playing above average would have mobilized Detroit, and gave the Lakers a chance? I could buy that although I still don't think they win the series. Our issues were bigger than Kobe just playing horrible basketball, like not having Malone healthy. That really phucked us[/QUOTE]
Yep. Malone not being 100% really hurt the Lakers as well.
[QUOTE=aj1987]I'm done with your retarded ass. You can't even comprehend simple english. I'm not repeating myself a billion times for you.
Yep. Malone not being 100% really hurt the Lakers as well.[/QUOTE]
It's not hard.
Explain why they'd get better than they were all year while playing against the best defense in the league...
Please explain it..
[QUOTE=90sgoat]Deandre Jordan >> Ervin Johnson
Blake > Kemp
Barnes << Schrempf
JJ = Hawkins
Supporting casts are about comparable imo.[/QUOTE]
First of Schrempf>>>>>>>Barnes
At least during their title run, Kemp was better than Kemp.
The bench however was grossly superior for the sonics.
I mean just look at these guys.
Hersey Hawkins > Reddick
Sam Perkins
Nate McMillan
That's a legit 7 man roster by any measure you can imagine.
[QUOTE=houston]No PG did more with less than Kidd. He was the main reason why Nets turn around as a franchise. His all around game what separate him from Payton and CP3. Even in 2011 Kidd was clearly the Mavs only playmaker that ran the offense plus he was they 3&D guy. Cats act like Curry was the only lightskin PG that was a great 3pt shooter that won a championship lol.
Truth be told Payton was overrated. People have revisionist about Payton. Dude was a underachiever and a headcase. He was on a team where they lost to a clearly inferior team in 94 and 95. Heck in 04 he was clearly one of main problem why the Lakers underachieve that year.
Cp3 is just a black Nash who plays defense. He don't have offensive game to take over like he should. Truth be told it hard for a PG to win as the game unless they have some offensive prowness with their game. But he is better than Payton cause he at least more of a pure PG than him.[/QUOTE]
Agree with Payton. Though it is worth pointing out that Kidd was whiter than Nash...I swear if people didn't tell me he was supposed to be black, I'd never have even thought it, lol.
As for CP, he is NOT a white nash (not that that is bad). CP is a MUCH better scorer and he does have the ability to takeover games. The real shame with Paul is that his two year peak was followed with injuries and people forget just how good it was those years and he was saddled with a team with an unproven West and he somehow made Chandler look like an offensive force. Sadly now that he does have teammates, he's got major knee issues and just isn't as explosive as he once was.
[QUOTE=aj1987]:roll: :roll:
Again, whatever helps you sleep better at night. You really are as delusional as 3ball.
Since you're just too stupid to understand my points, I'll repost.
Yeah, if the Heat were healthy the Pistons do not make the Finals. [B]IF[/B] Kobe left his ego, he'd have 6 rings. It's not a 'fact'. Hypothetical scenario. The Pistons were an elite defensive squad, but not even close to being an ATG team. If you think that they're an ATG team, you simply haven't watched enough basketball.
You keep bringing up Rasheed and how he changed the offense, but the Pistons were still a garbage offense the next season. Somewhere around the 20th, IIRC.[/QUOTE]
ok you keep saying this, but you're not explaining or adding any points. You're just making a statement.
[QUOTE=aj1987]I'm done with your retarded ass. You can't even comprehend simple english. [B]I'm not repeating myself a billion times for you.
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Yep. Malone not being 100% really hurt the Lakers as well.[/QUOTE]
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Why do you keep repeating yourself? You once again have to explain why you think kobe passing more would have improve the offense THAT much and why the piston's defense wasn't a factor in the poor ball movement. I'm sorry but the role players couldn't hit a shot. Shaq couldn't get open. The pistons are a big reason WHY kobe didn't look good in that series.
So again, how are you evaluating kobe's poor play from great defense? This is why you have to explain more. You're trying to move this from a 5 game beating to a laker's WIN...that's a HUGE and I mean HUGE change.
[QUOTE=dhsilv]What did payton do with LESS?[/QUOTE]
Uhm... he got to the finals, got within a hair of winning the title.
:wtf:
Swear to god these new kids on this board don't even watch the NBA. Just throwing up on their keyboards.
[QUOTE=dhsilv].
Why do you keep repeating yourself? You once again have to explain why you think kobe passing more would have improve the offense THAT much and why the piston's defense wasn't a factor in the poor ball movement. I'm sorry but the role players couldn't hit a shot. Shaq couldn't get open. The pistons are a big reason WHY kobe didn't look good in that series.
So again, how are you evaluating kobe's poor play from great defense? This is why you have to explain more. You're trying to move this from a 5 game beating to a laker's WIN...that's a HUGE and I mean HUGE change.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Do you guys just not bother reading posts anymore?
The Lakers' offense was stagnant for long stretches because Kobe was hogging the ball. Their role-players were completely out of it and Shaq himself was completely useless. If Kobe passes the ball more whenever he gets doubled, that would've kept the defense on its toes. Involving the role-players more would've helped a ton as well.
[QUOTE=LJJ]Uhm... he got to the finals, got within a hair of winning the title.
:wtf:
Swear to god these new kids on this board don't even watch the NBA. Just throwing up on their keyboards.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :applause:
[QUOTE=LJJ]Uhm... he got to the finals, got within a hair of winning the title.
:wtf:
Swear to god these new kids on this board don't even watch the NBA. Just throwing up on their keyboards.[/QUOTE]
He won a title, just not as a key player. He was a role player on a lakers team that was killed in a 5 game slaughtering, and he made the finals on a deep and VERY talented Sonics team that lost in what really wasn't a close series all be it they did go 6 to the 96 bulls in another series that was never winnable.
But the key word I used there was "LES" and that team did not have "LESS" of anything than Kidd or Paul has had. Unless you're claiming having Shaq and Kobe is less?
[QUOTE=aj1987]:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Do you guys just not bother reading posts anymore?
The Lakers' offense was stagnant for long stretches because Kobe was hogging the ball. Their role-players were completely out of it and Shaq himself was completely useless. If Kobe passes the ball more whenever he gets doubled, that would've kept the defense on its toes. Involving the role-players more would've helped a ton as well.
:oldlol: :applause:[/QUOTE]
The pistons were NOT giving kobe open passing lanes. When he did pass the role players couldn't make shots. The pistons were effectively keeping the ball from shaq, often fronting him and they were DAMN good at it. Again, you're not addressing the questions. You already posted the above, so don't' post it again. I read it. I considered it useless without an explanation as to how it could be done against THAT team and would yield better results.
Here is the simple reality. That pistons team is an ALL TIME great defense, so you can't just say "if player x played like he normally does" because defenses are designed to PREVENT people from doing what they normally do.
Case and point Prince played off Kobe and used his length to still bother jumpers. Kobe wasn't allowed to blow past him because of the distance. Shaq was rarely open (when he did get the ball it was often an instant score or hard double). Now it's been a few years since I saw the series...10+ but it was a very memorable series. Kobe was taken completely out of his game BY THE DEFENSE.
So again explain how within what the pistons were giving Kobe, what does he do that works? Throwing it to guys who are shooting 30% from the field doesn't seem like a great idea. But maybe you have a deeper game plan in mind? A way to use motion in the triangle that gets people open based on how the pistons are defending?