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[QUOTE]The Jazz are looking for another wing to add to their roster this offseason.[/QUOTE]
They've said this? They look pretty deep there to me.
[QUOTE] O
[url]www.deseretnews.com/article/865656922/While-away-from-BYU-Tejan-Koroma-wasnt-wasting-away-getting-flabby.html[/url]
[QUOTE]"It helps the team and even for me selfishly
[URL="https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/off-season-odds-and-ends-13/"]https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/off-season-odds-and-ends-13/[/URL]
[quote][COLOR=#000099][B]Six.[/B][/COLOR] [B]Dennis Lindsey’s summer plans[/B]: We’re gonna go into the free agent market and be very aggressive. We do want to spend our money fundamentally. If we can’t spend it fundamentally, then we’ll certainly save all of it, all the room that we have or a portion of it for the extensions that we have coming in the next few seasons. So, what we don’t wanna do is extend an amount on a player and then it puts pressure a year or two down the line.[/quote]
There it is. He's already preparing us for them sitting pat the rest of the off-season. Depends on who you're signing as far as pressure down the line. If you can get Conley you might just have to be pressured later I'm afraid.
[quote][COLOR=#000099][B]Ten.[/B][/COLOR] [B]Dennis Lindsey on draft trade that didn’t happen[/B]: There was one player, a really good player I can’t name, but he and his prominent agent were really working hard to try to get here during the draft, and I just couldn’t pull it off.[/quote]
Revisit this weekend?
David
For Ben Simmons
[url]http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/6/28/12049304/nba-summer-league-2016-utah-jazz-roster-trey-lyles-olivier-hanlan-joel-bolomboy-jj-obrien[/url]
[QUOTE]Looking at the roster right now there's a glaring hole at shooting guard. There are plenty of bigs. There are three point guards who all want the ball in their hands. In a wing oriented league the Jazz aren't really bringing much to the table right now with O'Brien and Ford. [/QUOTE]
The picks are combo guards with size and length. Don't believe Hanlan played the point last year in summer league. They obviously think Ford and O'brien bring something to the table. Partially guaranteed contract for Ford.
[QUOTE]even [B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cunnija01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Jared Cunningham[/URL][/B] beat him out of playing time[/QUOTE]
He showed he was pretty good being on the world champs.
[QUOTE]It's going to be -- in my mind -- the fight to watch this summer.[/QUOTE]
It's one fight. Interested to see how Pleiss does compared to their first pick.
[QUOTE]He could sit on the bench in Europe and get paid more. [/QUOTE]
He can? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE]But he'd need to have a big summer league for that to even be on the table.[/QUOTE]
What if he sucks and has a big fall camp? I'm sure it's already on the table.
[QUOTE][B]I thought it was partially guaranteed. [/B]
It
[url]http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-draft/2016/6/27/12048960/nba-draft-2016-historically-how-many-second-rounders-become-rotation[/url]
[QUOTE]the last THREE second rounders were duds (Diez, Hanlan, and Stokes) . . . then ONE of these three guys should be a rotation guy, right? RIGHT? (Note: probability does not yield certainty.)[/QUOTE]
One still could be. Two of them were traded. Duds? One is back this year. Dud? :wtf:
[QUOTE]I like the idea of him being a replacement for [B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/booketr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Trevor Booker[/URL][/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah just what we need an unproven 22 year old joining the rotation. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE]I would love to see him make the team.[/QUOTE]
Make the team or be given a spot on the team just because? :confusedshrug:
[URL="http://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat/2016/6/27/12040104/nba-draft-2016-utah-jazz-guard-tyrone-wallace-downbeat"]http://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat/2016/6/27/12040104/nba-draft-2016-utah-jazz-guard-tyrone-wallace-downbeat[/URL]
[quote]it's fair to say that he's a very real prospect for the Jazz at #60. Just maybe not this season, but perhaps down the road. [/quote]
Not hard to imagine him taking Johnson's spot if he shows something. A corner 3 away from being someone.
[quote][URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246135/rodney-hood"]Rodney Hood[/URL] who apparently is going to be an All-NBA player.[/quote]
You think?
[QUOTE]In a world where defense gets you on the court, Tyrone Wallace has a chance to make it anywhere.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention his size and length and versatility.
[URL="http://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat/2016/6/27/12040102/nba-draft-2016-utah-jazz-guard-marcus-paige-downbeat"]http://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat/2016/6/27/12040102/nba-draft-2016-utah-jazz-guard-marcus-paige-downbeat[/URL]
[quote] [B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]George Hill[/URL][/B] should be the starter at this stage
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Mack should be. He earned it. The job should be taken from him.
[quote]Dante Exum should still command more than 20 minutes per game here
[/quote] If he shows he can deserves it.
[quote][B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/macksh01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Shelvin Mack[/URL][/B] was the starter last season and could still be on the team if his non-guaranteed contract is picked up[/quote]
Can't see them not picking it up. It's a great contract.
[LIST=1][*][quote]Marcus Paige -- if he makes the team, and with the team as it is right now, he would be the 6th stringer[/quote][/LIST]He will be in the D-league if he makes it and maybe if he doesn't.
[quote]There just isn't space right now in the regular rotation for this guy. [/quote]
There's always room if you can play. No reason to expect any rookie to be a rotation guy on this team.
[LIST=1][*] [quote][B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hoodro01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Rodney Hood[/URL][/B] is the other starter [/quote][/LIST]He was the other starter. No reason I see that that should be in stone.[LIST=1][*][quote]Dante Exum is going to need some playing time at the wing this year[/quote][/LIST]If he deserves it.[LIST=1][*] [B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lylestr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"][quote][/URL][B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lylestr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Trey Lyles[/URL][/B] may see some time at the three this year too, who knows?[/quote][/B][/LIST][B]I [/B]see him playing the 5 not the 3
[quote]One thing is clear though, it's not likely that he starts his professional career on an NBA team, unless you count summer league.[/quote] I can see one of these guys making the team and playing in the D-league.
[QUOTE]We retain their rights no matter the route they go.[/QUOTE]
If they insist on being in fall camp and don't make the team we don't.
[url]http://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat/2016/6/27/12040098/nba-draft-2016-utah-jazz-forward-joel-bolomboy-downbeat[/url]
[QUOTE]When you directly compare him to [B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lylestr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Trey Lyles[/URL][/B], who is younger by two years, who has a much more robust offensive game (not just shooting range or runners or passing) it's clear why one was a lottery pick and the other a 2nd rounder after four years of college play. [/QUOTE]
Playing 4 years is one reason he wasn't picked higher.
[QUOTE]Trey Lyles (2nd string power forward, can fill in at small forward and center depending on injuries)[/QUOTE]
Played 3 in college. Doesn't mean he can play it here.
[QUOTE][B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/witheje01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Jeff Withey[/URL][/B] (3rd string center)[/QUOTE]
joke! :facepalm
[QUOTE]If Bolomboy makes the team he is pretty much only over Pleiss in the depth chart. [/QUOTE]
Could be ahead of Withey who they don't like. Hard to put him above Pleiss since Pleiss has already shown something above the Big Sky.
[QUOTE]Bolomboy making the team only exists in a world where he plays really well in summer league and training camp, *and* the team doesn't add any other bigmen in [URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba-free-agency"]NBA Free Agency[/URL]. There's a chance to upgrade this roster in July. An actual stretch big at power forward (if the team can get one) shakes things up a bit and drops Joel down to 4th string power forward, and likely out of the NBA. Of course, the team is more likely to make a trade or two that involves free agency, and not sign a guy outright. As a result, Joel may make the team if other guys are traded away . . . or he, himself, may be traded.[/QUOTE]
Easy to see him on the team if he plays well in summer league. They have plenty of roster spots to be had and money to be given out.
[QUOTE]I believe that Trevor Booker may be able to get a big raise this off-season, and if that was to happen it's likely that it wouldn't be with the Jazz. [/QUOTE]
front loaded
[QUOTE]Depending on what the roster looks like there could be about 5 to 10 minutes available for a 2nd round rookie.[/QUOTE]
D-league to start.
[QUOTE]Even thinking about Burks and Hayward being able to play some point, Id consider keeping just having Hill and Exum if it means not cutting Bolomboy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah let's get rid of a couple of our best players just because! :coleman:
[QUOTE] [URL="http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4058833-155/utah-jazz-have-interest-in-pacers"]The Utah Jazz have expressed interest in acquiring Indiana forward Solomon Hill once the free agency period opens on Friday at midnight,[/URL] The Salt Lake Tribune has learned.
I'm thinking fringe rotation player. Too much money.
[url]http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4058833-155/utah-jazz-have-interest-in-pacers[/url]
[QUOTE]If he were to come to Utah, he would almost certainly come off the bench.[/QUOTE]
Not if he defends. They want to pay him that much he must be a hell of a defender. Not great from 3. Chris Johnson, Exum upgrade?
[QUOTE]Andy Larsen: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Another player I
Jody Genessy: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Source tells me Jazz have scouted Solomon Hill
Tony Jones: Former Utah State star [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Spencer Butterfield will play with the Utah Jazz in summer league,[/URL] League sources tell The Tribune
Jody Genessy: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Joel Bolomboy said he didn
Nate Taylor: Unprompted, [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Paul George said it was tough to see George Hill leave the team. He also called Jeff Teague 1 of the fastest PGs in the NBA[/URL].
[QUOTE]Marc Stein: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Utah is making G Trey Burke available via trade,[/URL] league sources say, after the recent deal for George Hill and with Dante Exum coming back.
[URL="http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4062584-155/utah-jazz-to-enter-free-agency"]http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4062584-155/utah-jazz-to-enter-free-agency[/URL]
[quote]Sources say the Jazz have expressed interest in Solomon Hill, a small forward from the Indiana Pacers. New Orleans forward Ryan Anderson is someone the Jazz have interest in, as well as Miami Heat forward Luol Deng.[/quote]
So what happens to Lyles and others? They've been so worried about blocking their young guys and now are? I think if they sign anyone else other than a big they are saying Exum isn't ready for the start of the season. I still think the money will go to Favors mostly if anyone and that they are blowing a lot of hot air as usual.
[quote]That's put the Jazz squarely in win-now mode.[/quote]
Would love to know why they weren't after being the 6th best team in the league at the end of 2015 :confusedshrug:
[quote]That solidified a position of need for the Jazz, and will give Utah a veteran to run its offense.[/quote]
You mean another vet. Still not sure he'll be at the 1. The Jazz certainly haven't said he's the pg period.
[quote]Utah has seven point guards on its roster, a situation Lindsey says will be alleviated by opening night. [/quote]
You think? Without the rookies and Burke they have 4 which I could see since only 2 are pure pg's..
[quote]It all adds up to what could be a busy few weeks for the Jazz. And these next few weeks could greatly impact whether the Jazz are a playoff contender, entering the 2016-2017 regular season.[/quote]
Seriously? They should have been thinking 50 wins and the 2nd round a year ago and they certainly should be with the addition of Hill. Let's quit making excuses. :no:
[url]http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4063424-155/utah-jazz-trio-of-rookies-face[/url]
[QUOTE]Things could be tougher for Wallace and Paige, who will find themselves fighting for the opportunity in a crowded backcourt picture. The Jazz already have five other point guards under contract, and last year's second-round pick, Olivier Hanlan, will be a part of the point guard mix during summer league.[/QUOTE]
Only 2 pure pg's. All of these guys can make the team if they show they can play.
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3756/1/10-Marreese-Speights-6-10-power-forward-center-Ranking-the-best-fits-for-the-Utah-Jazz-in-free.html[/url]
not sure he fits
[url]www.deseretnews.com/top/3756/3/8-Jon-Leuer-6-10-power-forward[/url]
He might be alright as an upgrade on Pleiss at the end of the bench for the right price.
This is more the type of move I see rather than Deng!
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3756/4/7-Evan-Turner-6-7-wing-Ranking-the-best-fits-for-the-Utah-Jazz-in-free-agency.html[/url]
I noticed a couple years ago that he was putting up similar stats to Hayward and he was considered a bust.
I think they may have enough wings that do similar things already.
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3756/5/6-Ryan-Anderson-6-10-power-forward-Ranking-the-best-fits-for-the-Utah-Jazz-in-free-agency.html[/url]
Lyles?
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3756/6/5-Jared-Dudley-6-7-wing-Ranking-the-best-fits-for-the-Utah-Jazz-in-free-agency.html[/url]
And he wants to be here! He'd make more sense with Lyles up front.
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3756/8/3-Mirza-Teletovic-6-9-power-forward-Ranking-the-best-fits-for-the-Utah-Jazz-in-free-agency.html[/url]
Lyles?
He had a big game against the Jazz.
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3756/9/2-Luol-Deng-6-9-forward-Ranking-the-best-fits-for-the-Utah-Jazz-in-free-agency.html[/url]
Be hard to complain if they got him!
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3756/10/1-Marvin-Williams-6-9-power-forward-Ranking-the-best-fits-for-the-Utah-Jazz-in-free-agency.html[/url]
Lyles?
I didn't like him the first time but that was mostly because he started. Off the bench he might have been ok
[QUOTE]Consensus is that the Jazz need an upgrade at the 4th wing rotation spot: somebody that allows Ingles to be used situationally as a specialist and provides Utah with injury insurance. But what if they already have their fourth wing? What if their fourth wing is Burks?[/QUOTE]
With Hill and maybe Exum plus Ingles who has looked like a rotation player late in the season and Johnson they look deep to me.
[QUOTE]An argument could be made that, if the Jazz are really looking to apply pressure in the West, they could use something more than deep bench reinforcements. Maybe the goal is someone who is good enough to play major minutes, maybe even contend with Hood for a starting spot alongside Hayward[URL="http://saltcityhoops.com/scouring-the-market-part-i-wings/#note-2"]2[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Hill! I certainly don't see Hood as the automatic starter. He started last year because they thought he and Neto fit best with the big 3. He didn't fit as well with Mack who should be the starter right now and his streakiness and lack of D makes me think he might be better off on the bench.
[QUOTE]Meanwhile, the Tribune
[url]http://saltcityhoops.com/who-is-george-hill/[/url]
[QUOTE]Reading about George Hill over the last few days makes me think Jazz fans will absolutely embrace him. He has many of the characteristics that win fans over, and his involvement with the community will only endear him even more to fans. Also, if you haven
[url]http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/6/28/12051822/the-downbeat-utah-jazz-dennis-lindsey-leaders[/url]
[QUOTE]He's an average point guard who has reached his plateau as a player, having already played eight seasons to show what he can do.[/QUOTE]
He's not an average player and I'm still not convinced he'll be playing that much 1.
[QUOTE]It's being said that Hill will make it less stressful for [URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246134/dante-exum"]Dante Exum[/URL] to get back to the floor and build up minutes quickly. So the trade signals that the Jazz have already deemed Exum as the point guard of the future.
"Already" because Exum only has played a rookie season. And in that one season, Exum shot an abysmal 34.9 percent from the floor and a sad 31.4 and 62.5 percent from the free-throw and three-point lines. Averages of 4.8 points, 2.4 assists and 1.4 turnovers in a relatively high 22.2 minutes per game also were not impressive.
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Finally someone gets it!
[QUOTE]This year, a seasoned point guard was more attainable through trade.[/QUOTE]
Really? Free agency hasn't even started.
[QUOTE]Mack wasn't half the point guard George Hill was[/QUOTE]
He actually may have been better.
[QUOTE], but he led the Utah Jazz to a second half surge because he was better than Trey Burke and [URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/198045/raul-neto?_ga=1.6172723.1636096846.1453995768"]Raul Neto[/URL]. [/QUOTE]
I still think Neto had a lot of what we saw from Mack in him. They didn't ask him to do it much as a rookie. He was a spot up shooter and defender.
[url]http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/6/29/12061948/nba-summer-league-2016-utah-jazz-las-vegas-salt-lake-city-roster-update[/url]
[QUOTE]Spencer Butterfield will lead the shooting guard group.[/QUOTE]
Their combo guard picks from the past two drafts lead it.
[url]http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242477/Union-Encouraging-Players-To-Take-Frontloaded-Contracts[/url]
This will be the Jazz strategy I would think. Might not work if everyone is doing it though.
Darren Wolfson: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Unfortunately, no Jared Dudley619-Twolves steam
[QUOTE] The Timberwolves were active in seeking a deal for Rubio before the NBA Draft, but around the league, the price was considered too high when deals were discussed last week. Thanks to a very thin point guard class, that could quickly change. [URL="http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-2016-free-agency-minnesota-timberwolves-kris-dunn-ricky-rubio-trade-rockets-mavericks-sixers-bucks/1l8vi9t2tm2qe1lu3wp0fjggdn"]
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657175/Utah-Jazz-expect-to-be-active-as-free-agency-period-begins.html[/url]
[QUOTE]
[url]http://saltcityhoops.com/scouring-the-free-agent-market-part-ii-bigs/[/url]
[QUOTE]Ideally, whoever earns that fourth big spot will be able to knock down an open jumper now and then.[/QUOTE]
Like Withey? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE]Leuer makes on-paper sense as a legitimate center who shot 38% from three last year, but keep in mind that he has averaged less than 700 minutes a year so far in five NBA seasons[URL="http://saltcityhoops.com/scouring-the-free-agent-market-part-ii-bigs/#note-3"]3[/URL].[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be expecting much for the right price. He'd be a good 5th or 6th big.
[QUOTE]Meyers Leonard would be a great fit for Utah, but he probably wants (and will probably get) a lot of money and a chance to play a bigger role. He just averaged 22mpg for a playoff team, after all.[/QUOTE]
He's hurt and will miss the beginning of the year I believe. Might be a deal to be had.
[QUOTE] know some folks like Joffrey Lauvergne for the Jazz[URL="http://saltcityhoops.com/scouring-the-free-agent-market-part-ii-bigs/#note-5"]5[/URL], but at $1.7M, he
[url]http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-trades-and-deadline/2016/6/30/12064588/nba-trade-rumors-2016-utah-jazz-trey-burke-trade-rumor-timeline[/url]
[QUOTE]Reading between the lines it seems like after Trey lost his starting spot to Dante Exum waay back in 2014 they had looked into trading him at the 2015 trade deadline. The 2016 deadline passed with him still on the roster. The Jazz failed to move him on draft nights in 2015 or 2016 as well. And didn't move him during 2016 [URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba-free-agency"]NBA Free Agency[/URL]. If they were shopping him -- which it seems like they were -- they haven't found anything they wanted in return, or anything at the price they were willing to pay. Part of the problem is that Burke, even though he was a Top 10 lotto pick, doesn't have an expensive contract, even today in his terminal year it's still worth under $4 million dollars. The headaches other teams want to be rid of all seem to be much more expensive. The other part of the problem may be trying to return to previously held potential value. Trey Burke was traded up for on the 2013 Draft night, with the Jazz giving up the #14 ([URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/198033/shabazz-muhammad"]Shabazz Muhammad[/URL]) and the #21 ([URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/198031/gorgui-dieng"]Gorgui Dieng[/URL]) to do so. I don't think the current market value for Burke is two 1st rounders anymore. But surely there could have been an actual market value for Trey Burke that the team could have sustained.
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Tells me know one wants him. He doesn't hit the 3. Doesn't pass. Doesn't play d. You think anyone wants that?
[QUOTE]It's truly a remarkable thing for a lottery team, who remains in the lottery for years in a row, to be able to devalue their own assets during their rookie contract. That's not usually how that works. (But it is the Jazz way!)[/QUOTE]
So they are supposed to play crappy players so they increase their value? That's what happened his rookie year. He played. Wasn't that great but who cares.
I think with him, at the moment at least, it's just a case of teams having him as their backup plan. Go for a good free agent first, but if you can't get him, then maybe go for a trade for Burke instead.
I'd wonder if Charlotte would have any interest in him since they'll likely lose Lin as their backup PG. Sacremento are looking for guards, could maybe sell them on him being a 3 point heater off the bench for them.