2 Days Have Passed and I STILL Can't Get Over the Fact That Durant Can't Bench 185

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqiegxmUu1M[/url]

:cheers:

durant won't be skinny forever. why are people talking like he's going to have that same skinny ass body forever? anyone remember t-mac's rookie year pics? dude was a friggin' toothpick who looked like he ate two pieces of crackers for dinner a night. same with shawn kemp when he first got into the league (he was 6'10" 215lbs during the dunk contest against dee brown). but their bodies evolved after getting into some intensive weight training programs. by kemp's 3rd season, he was already posting up and dunking on friggin' karl malone. jut too bad kemp kept on eating and eating later in his career.... anyway, anybody who's done it should know that weight and strength gains are the easiest things to improve on if you've never done it before. you just put your time and effort in the weight room and you will see results. that part is pretty much guaranteed... unless you have some extremely lousy and sh.tty genes. but real stuff like skill and basketball iq? some can work on that forever and still never reach a dominant level. right now, durant obviously has the skill part down, which he could still improve on, but that strength part? it's not a worry. why are people tripping on a 19year old frame? he should and will gain weight after some time in the weight room.

[QUOTE=DCL]durant won't be skinny forever. why are people talking like he's going to have that same skinny ass body forever? anyone remember t-mac's rookie year pics? dude was a friggin' toothpick who looked like he ate two pieces of crackers for dinner a night. same with shawn kemp when he first got into the league (he was 6'10" 215lbs during the dunk contest against dee brown). but their bodies evolved after getting into some intensive weight training programs. by kemp's 3rd season, he was already posting up and dunking on friggin' karl malone. jut too bad kemp kept on eating and eating later in his career.... anyway, anybody who's done it should know that weight and strength gains are the easiest things to improve on if you've never done it before. you just put your time and effort in the weight room and you will see results. that part is pretty much guaranteed... unless you have some extremely lousy and sh.tty genes. but real stuff like skill and basketball iq? some can work on that forever and still never reach a dominant level. right now, durant obviously has the skill part down, which he could still improve on, but that strength part? it's not a worry. why are people tripping on a 19year old frame? he should and will gain weight after some time in the weight room.[/QUOTE]

there have been two responses to this.

1. posters like myself who use this as one way to back up our claims that he won't have as good a rookie season as some think. Not really talking **** about the kid, but understand that he is overrated.

2. those who thought he was god are now tripping out. These are the ones that are really freaking out about this.

[QUOTE=GOBB]And when I challenged your boy? He has YET to return the answer to how Durant is a world class athlete. In fact thats when he snapped. Went ape shyts because he can bench press fat bytches and I cant. Poor me, I cant get Rosie Odonnel off my chest but JtotheIzzo can.[/QUOTE]

Man if that is how much rosie weighs then she needs to lose some weight. :lol:

GOBB OWNED Jtotheizzo!!!


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]The strength it takes to hoist a hundred jumpers in practice should be enough to push 185 ONCE.[/QUOTE]

:roll: So wait thats all someone has to do? Why lift weights...just buy a spalding basketball, go to a gym, playground and for 2hrs shoot over a hundred jumpers. Heck you can do this 7 days a week unlike bench pressing where you need rest. In 2 weeks you can bench press 185 because you shot a hundred jumpers. Brilliant. Who needs weights? Ballys is going out of business. Everyone invest in basketballs and a court. Just shoot jumpers all day, every day and you'll be able to bench press any weight you want!

Its 1:20am here and that reply sounds like a f*cking info commercial.

[QUOTE=GOBB]:roll: So wait thats all someone has to do? Why lift weights...just buy a spalding basketball, go to a gym, playground and for 2hrs shoot over a hundred jumpers. Heck you can do this 7 days a week unlike bench pressing where you need rest. In 2 weeks you can bench press 185 because you shot a hundred jumpers. Brilliant. Who needs weights? Ballys is going out of business. Everyone invest in basketballs and a court. Just shoot jumpers all day, every day and you'll be able to bench press any weight you want!

Its 1:20am here and that reply sounds like a f*cking info commercial.[/QUOTE]
Did he really post that? I mosta missed it.

Yup he did...check post #132 in this topic. Here is the full post...

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]no it wouldn't.

NFL prospects push 225. 25 plus times. Some guys as much as forty. I thinkBrady Quinn got near thrity this year (and that is at 225 and he's a QB).

Look people, it doesn't mean Durant is less of a player it is just a little shocking. Most college basketball teams do this type of testing in the preseason with their team and I have rarely (if not ever) heard of someone not getting one rep.

Then to hear the most complete player in the draft (I still think he is a better player skill wise and savvy wise than Oden, but Oden will be a better prospect) cant do this relatively simple task is a bit surprising.

[B]The strength it takes to hoist a hundred jumpers in practice should be enough to push 185 ONCE[/B].[/QUOTE]


Then he compares Durant who never lifted a weight in HS (as reported by Da KO King) to NFL prospect at the NFL combine???? Are you kidding me?

Here are some of the responses I got:

[quote]incredibly rare. I'd be surprised if a non-lifter could get 100 up.[/quote]

[quote]you would probably seriously hurt yourself. not to mention you wouldn't even want to try to max out if you've never lifted before because your tendons are in worse shape than your muscles and you'll most likely hurt them.[/quote]

[quote]Also factor in the force propriorception and the fact the CNS has never had to relay action potentials and engage as many motor units before in a position you take on the bench press. 185lbs would just plummet straight down to the ribcage and crack it.[/quote]

[quote]135 is a pretty average weight for most men to put up with no training. though i've seen a lot of new years people come in, put 135 on the rack and get it stuck on their chest.[/quote]

[quote]ye, even 135 lbs. is a lot. I would say 25lb plates on each side for a beginner...assuming the average person.[/quote]

[quote]My bet would be around 135[/quote]

so that was the first time Kevin Durant EVER lifted a weight?

Is that what you're saying?

Something tells me that might not be the case.

I love how ten hours later, GOBB is still here in the same thread going at this impressing teenagers all over the net...classic.

Pretty insane to think that the likely #2 pick in the draft (that is what I meant by world class Telephone, since the draft is global and he is #2 out of everyone) NEVER touched a barbell before the Orlando camp...hmm...

A lot of posters above mentioned that after a short amount of time working out 185 is easy, and it is especially for someone as big as Durant (215lbs)..but oh yeah, Durant never worked out before, that was his first time, college coaches dont do any conditioning, especially at Texas, and I should not be surprised that the 2nd pick inthe draft (a 6'11" 215lbs) forward is by far the weakest player.

:roll:

[QUOTE=GOBB]Yup he did...check post #132 in this topic. Here is the full post...




Then he compares Durant who never lifted a weight in HS (as reported by Da KO King) to NFL prospect at the NFL combine???? Are you kidding me?[/QUOTE]


I didn't realize Da KO King went to HS with Kevin Durant

I still don't understand why people turned this into a debate on whether you can lift 185 lbs.

It doesn't matter because all you have to do is look at Durant to know he's weak.

WTF? What is JtotheIzzo smoking? I was a proffesional body builder for 10 years before I got into the marketing bizz and no way can you bench 185 for the first time unless you're a freak of nature. Also, you would get hurt since your body wouldn't be accustomed to supporting that much weight. You compare bodybuilding to shooting jumpers? If I could, I'd spit in your face.

[QUOTE=Excentric]WTF? What is JtotheIzzo smoking? I was a proffesional body builder for 10 years before I got into the marketing bizz and no way can you bench 185 for the first time unless you're a freak of nature. Also, you would get hurt since your body wouldn't be accustomed to supporting that much weight. You compare bodybuilding to shooting jumpers? If I could, I'd spit in your face.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=Excentric]WTF? What is JtotheIzzo smoking? I was a proffesional body builder for 10 years before I got into the marketing bizz and no way can you bench 185 for the first time unless you're a freak of nature. Also, you would get hurt since your body wouldn't be accustomed to supporting that much weight. You compare bodybuilding to shooting jumpers? If I could, I'd spit in your face.[/QUOTE]


OK Mr Ten Year BodyBuilder, how about this:

Was it Durant's first time EVER lifting a weight?

Highly doubt it, infact I guarantee it wasn't.

How long would it take a athletic 6'11" 215 lbs guy, who has been around sports his whole life to get his max bench up to 185?

Not very freaking long.

That is the surprise, that Durant hasn't.

All you falkin ass clowns who think this is the first time Durant has EVER lifted a weight are being silly.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]OK Mr Ten Year BodyBuilder, how about this:

Was it Durant's first time EVER lifting a weight?

Highly doubt it, infact I guarantee it wasn't.

How long would it take a athletic 6'11" 215 lbs guy, who has been around sports his whole life to get his max bench up to 185?

Not very freaking long.

That is the surprise, that Durant hasn't.

All you falkin ass clowns who think this is the first time Durant has EVER lifted a weight are being silly.[/QUOTE]

Why would you highly doubt it? He was strong for his age so he probably thought he didn't need to lift before entering the draft. It makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why you're still posting worthless crap.

[QUOTE=Excentric]Why would you highly doubt it? He was strong for his age so he probably thought he didn't need to lift before entering the draft. It makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why you're still posting worthless crap.[/QUOTE]


because he is thin for the next level

because he went to a Div One school and they train weights for basketball. All teams do weight training it is part of the conditioning routine

because he is worth tens of millions and if he doesn't take care of his body, the money becomes much less



what makes you think he never lifted before? That defies all logic.

besides that you never answered my question, because you know, that athletically inclined, big people would get their MAX BENCH to 185 in no time.

Maybe he never lifted before (highly unlikely), its still shocking.

Jintotheizzo got killed in this thread :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Jintotheizzo got killed in this thread :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]


wow, coming from a known retard like yourself, the opposite is probably true

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]so that was the first time Kevin Durant EVER lifted a weight?

Is that what you're saying?[/quote]

Until he got to Texas he never lifted a weight. And I dount count BS'ing around in his friends basement while breaking wind then hoping on the joeystick to play video games lifting weights.

[QUOTE]Something tells me that might not be the case.[/QUOTE]

Da Ko King posted info about weight training and the HS Durant attended. You choose not to buy it...I choose too. At my HS weight lifting wasnt a top priority...the players on the team made the call if they wanted to pursue that and how extensive/far they wanted to go with it.

This is basketball not football.

[QUOTE]I love how ten hours later, GOBB is still here in the same thread going at this impressing teenagers all over the net...classic. [/QUOTE]

I didnt bump this topic...others did. Even later on. But feel free to do your classic "GOBB = Heliege....he has to be". Because your success rate at "exposing" posters aliases is about the same as Durants success rate benching 185. Zero.

[QUOTE]Pretty insane to think that the likely #2 pick in the draft (that is what I meant by world class Telephone, since the draft is global and he is #2 out of everyone) NEVER touched a barbell before the Orlando camp...hmm...[/QUOTE]

Of course he did at Texas. He got there in August. August to March which was the end of Texas bball season is 8 months. If you wanna go August until the day he sat on the bench that'll make it what roughly 10 months. During those 10 months who knows what workout regime Durant was under when it came to lifting weights. He added on weight from the time he graduated HS to now. Who knows what weight he started out with benching. t could have been 135....it could have been LESS! He has to get down the technique, breathing first. He has to strengthen his core muscles in order to help aide him bench pressing. Then we gotta figure out how often he lifted weights. Some lift 4 days a week for 1.5-2hrs while changing thier diet increasing protein intake, eating large meals or meals throughout the day WHILE even taking SUPPLEMENTS to help give them a boost in the gym. Thats what gym rats do...people who love lifting/working out and are disciplined in it.

We got people who lift here...I'm sure they can tell you it takes time, effort, dedication and discipline when lifting weights. Why would Durant go psycho lifting weights and injure himself, his muscles when he needs to be healthy for the season to play BASKETBALL. Durant can lift wrong by putting on more weight then he can handle just to prove JtotheIzzo he aint weak and guess what? His back is now injured because of it. Yet he has a game vs Texas A & M tonight at 9:30 on espn. Come on bruh, use the common sense GOD gave you and think things out rationally, logically.


[quote]A lot of posters above mentioned that after a short amount of time working out 185 is easy, and it is especially for someone as big as Durant (215lbs)..but oh yeah, Durant never worked out before, that was his first time, college coaches dont do any conditioning, especially at Texas, and I should not be surprised that the 2nd pick inthe draft (a 6'11" 215lbs) forward is by far the weakest player.

:roll:[/QUOTE]

Give me the time frame for which Durant should have been able to lift 185. There are so many factors, variables you leave out, dont know that makes you look silly. Durant was physically WEAK the day he entered Durant. It was one of his big knocks that he has to get bigger, stronger. He got bigger because he was around 200lbs at best graduating HS. So Durant strength was behind the 8 ball. You're not gonna easily get to 185 no time soon. I dont care what no poster here says because they were probably stronger than Durant when they started out lifting.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]How long would it take a athletic 6'11" 215 lbs guy, who has been around sports his whole life to get his max bench up to 185?[/QUOTE]

Durant increased his weight during the college season. He wasnt 215 when he entered Texas. He added on weight.

JtotheIzzo going to a club, next in line outside to get in

Bouncer[I]" name please"[/I]
JtotheIzzo[I]"JtotheIzzo "[/I]
Bouncer[I]" not on the list"[/I]
JtotheIzzo[I]" But you ain't even lookin at it!"[/I]
Bouncer[I]" But i'm looking at you biitch!"[/I]

Point is you've got atleast 10 people calling you out and you're running in place.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Until he got to Texas he never lifted a weight. And I dount count BS'ing around in his friends basement while breaking wind then hoping on the joeystick to play video games lifting weights.



Da Ko King posted info about weight training and the HS Durant attended. You choose not to buy it...I choose too. At my HS weight lifting wasnt a top priority...the players on the team made the call if they wanted to pursue that and how extensive/far they wanted to go with it.

This is basketball not football.



I didnt bump this topic...others did. Even later on. But feel free to do your classic "GOBB = Heliege....he has to be". Because your success rate at "exposing" posters aliases is about the same as Durants success rate benching 185. Zero.



Of course he did at Texas. He got there in August. August to March which was the end of Texas bball season is 8 months. If you wanna go August until the day he sat on the bench that'll make it what roughly 10 months. During those 10 months who knows what workout regime Durant was under when it came to lifting weights. He added on weight from the time he graduated HS to now. Who knows what weight he started out with benching. t could have been 135....it could have been LESS! He has to get down the technique, breathing first. He has to strengthen his core muscles in order to help aide him bench pressing. Then we gotta figure out how often he lifted weights. Some lift 4 days a week for 1.5-2hrs while changing thier diet increasing protein intake, eating large meals or meals throughout the day WHILE even taking SUPPLEMENTS to help give them a boost in the gym. Thats what gym rats do...people who love lifting/working out and are disciplined in it.

We got people who lift here...I'm sure they can tell you it takes time, effort, dedication and discipline when lifting weights. Why would Durant go psycho lifting weights and injure himself, his muscles when he needs to be healthy for the season to play BASKETBALL. Durant can lift wrong by putting on more weight then he can handle just to prove JtotheIzzo he aint weak and guess what? His back is now injured because of it. Yet he has a game vs Texas A & M tonight at 9:30 on espn. Come on bruh, use the common sense GOD gave you and think things out rationally, logically.




Give me the time frame for which Durant should have been able to lift 185. There are so many factors, variables you leave out, dont know that makes you look silly. Durant was physically WEAK the day he entered Durant. It was one of his big knocks that he has to get bigger, stronger. He got bigger because he was around 200lbs at best graduating HS. So Durant strength was behind the 8 ball. You're not gonna easily get to 185 no time soon. I dont care what no poster here says because they were probably stronger than Durant when they started out lifting.[/QUOTE]


I agree with most of that, my surprise stems mainly from the fact that a guy at that level cant do it.

I dont think it is a big deal, I am just surprised. I've never seen it outside of Shaun Livingston (who we all know is a toothpick).

btw I dont think you Heilige

You keep saying how he is a 6'11 athlete, and you never mention the 7'5 wingspan, which makes lifting more difficult.

[QUOTE=Day La Ghetto]JtotheIzzo going to a club, next in line outside to get in

Bouncer[I]" name please"[/I]
JtotheIzzo[I]"JtotheIzzo "[/I]
Bouncer[I]" not on the list"[/I]
JtotheIzzo[I]" But you ain't even lookin at it!"[/I]
Bouncer[I]" But i'm looking at you biitch!"[/I]

Point is you've got atleast 10 people calling you out and you're running in place.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=Day La Ghetto]JtotheIzzo going to a club, next in line outside to get in

Bouncer[I]" name please"[/I]
JtotheIzzo[I]"JtotheIzzo "[/I]
Bouncer[I]" not on the list"[/I]
JtotheIzzo[I]" But you ain't even lookin at it!"[/I]
Bouncer[I]" But i'm looking at you biitch!"[/I]

Point is you've got atleast 10 people calling you out and you're running in place.[/QUOTE]

I might have gotten dumber reading that post. I thought it wasn't possible in this thread that another poster out dumbed JtotheIzzo.

[QUOTE]
whatever clown, go watch some more Fresh Prince[/QUOTE]

I apologize. JtotheIzzo somehow out dumbed you in less than 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=Day La Ghetto]JtotheIzzo going to a club, next in line outside to get in

Bouncer[I]" name please"[/I]
JtotheIzzo[I]"JtotheIzzo "[/I]
Bouncer[I]" not on the list"[/I]
JtotheIzzo[I]" But you ain't even lookin at it!"[/I]
Bouncer[I]" But i'm looking at you biitch!"[/I]

Point is you've got atleast 10 people calling you out and you're running in place.[/QUOTE]

whatever clown, go watch some more Fresh Prince

[QUOTE=Excentric]I might have gotten dumber reading that post. I thought it wasn't possible in this thread that another poster out dumbed JtotheIzzo.[/QUOTE]


teach me your intellgient ways, and back to my question, perhasp you can enlighten a 'dumb' person:

How long would it take a 6'11" 215lbs athletically inclined 19 year old to get his max bench up to 185, enough to even push it up once.

Tell me please in your ten years of lifting weights infinite wisdom.

Why dont you post that on body builder dot com

[QUOTE=Excentric]
I apologize. JtotheIzzo somehow out dumbed you in less than 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]

how is that dumb falkwad?

Jtoizzo: [I]"fuak it"[/I]

[IMG]http://www.gearthblog.com/images/jumperi.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]how is that dumb falkwad?[/QUOTE]

Because it wasn't funny thus making it dumb.

[QUOTE=Excentric]Because it wasn't funny thus making it dumb.[/QUOTE]

you do know how he got his name and how that relates to it dont you, it wasn't meant to be funny

[QUOTE=AirGauge23]Here are some of the responses I got:[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the replies.

LOKI is either lying, exgerrating or he isnt giving the whole story. I wonder if he was doing push ups, chin ups and other excercises that strenthen muscles. If so its possible he could get 185 up....still dont know about 10 times, 2-3 sets. But once? I'd say it could be a rare feat. He had to be working out his muscles and just didnt disclose that.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]you do know how he got his name and how that relates to it dont you, it wasn't meant to be funny[/QUOTE]

Might as well be my street name. Because this rape just turned into a murder .


GeeWiz: [I]"oh snap"[/I]

I'm done with this thread. :cheers:

[QUOTE=Day La Ghetto]Might as well be my street name. Because this rape just turned into a murder .


GeeWiz: [I]"oh snap"[/I][/QUOTE]


you got the name because you are a little wanna be homeboy w-i-gger who got it from a Fresh Prince of Bel Air episode (Samuel De La Ghetto, Will's fake poet).

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]you got the name because you are a little wanna be homeboy w-i-gger who got it from a Fresh Prince of Bel Air episode (Samuel De La Ghetto, Will's fake poet).[/QUOTE]

I know where I got my name . Thanks for pointing it out to me.

[QUOTE=Day La Ghetto]Jtoizzo: [I]"fuak it"[/I]

[IMG]http://www.gearthblog.com/images/jumperi.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]




:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=Heilige]:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

yeah, almost as good as this:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9804[/url]

[QUOTE=GOBB]Thanks for the replies.

LOKI is either lying, exgerrating or he isnt giving the whole story. I wonder if he was doing push ups, chin ups and other excercises that strenthen muscles. If so its possible he could get 185 up....still dont know about 10 times, 2-3 sets. But once? I'd say it could be a rare feat. He had to be working out his muscles and just didnt disclose that.[/QUOTE]

I posted in the other thread about this that I was doing 3 sets of 80 push-ups every other day (one wide grip, one shoulder width, and one set pyramid push-ups), 3 sets of 350-450 crunches, and 2 sets of 30-35 pull-ups a few times a week when I was 17 (I was in kickboxing, so this is what we did). So maybe that helped me when I eventually got on the bench.