A guy in NZ just live streamed himself shooting up a mosque

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]:lol

Does she have to come out and verbally say she hates Jews and wishes they were all dead? How about Linda Sarsour? Oh boy she's a beauty. Crazy how that Radical Islamist is allowed to cozy up to leaders like Omar and Tlaib.[/QUOTE]
You need to learn how to read. I outright said who knows what her views are. You don't know. I don't know. We're talking about her comments. She criticized a lobby's influence in washington - the entire purpose of a lobby is to influence legislation in washington and that applies for every single lobby. And she did raise a good point. Why does a lobby representing a foreign government carry so much clout in DC?

She also criticized saudi arabia and said we should boycott the Saudis and that muslims should boycott the hajj until they figure out their human rights laws.

Is she an islamophobe as well?

[QUOTE=lilteapot]We subjugate women because there's a dress code for both genders?

That's an indictment on you more than anything, that you reduce a woman to what she wears instead of who she is.[/QUOTE]

There certainly isn't a dress code for both genders dude. Just for one. Muslim dudes in western countries pretty much wear (for some reason they are always graphic tees) whatever while the women are still wearing what they wore back in their home country.

Red1, this is what I'm talking about btw, not culturally assimilating.

If you're forcing a dress code on someone, that's subjugating. "Who she is" can extend and expressed in how they dress.

[QUOTE=Hawker]There certainly isn't a dress code for both genders dude. Just for one. Muslim dudes in western countries pretty much wear (for some reason they are always graphic tees) whatever while the women are still wearing what they wore back in their home country.

Red1, this is what I'm talking about btw, not culturally assimilating.

If you're forcing a dress code on someone, that's subjugating. "Who she is" can extend and expressed in how they dress.[/QUOTE]
Manner of dress is cultural nearly as much as it is religious. I don't see lilteapot saying anywhere that western women should dress that way.


Live and let live. No need to impose anything on anyone.

[QUOTE=red1]My argument with chewing has nothing to do with criticizing muslim countries. Muslim countries deserve criticism. It has everything to do with criticizing all muslims in western countries saying [B]all muslims [/B]are bloodthirsty all muslims are this, all muslims are that, blah blah blah. I hear that a lot and it's not accurate so I correct it when I see it.

The criticism of Ilhan Omar is a joke and anyone with a brain can see that. Who knows she may very well be antisemitic I don't know. Nothing she said warranted the reaction she got. It's just the nature of the game, everything is fair game in the political arena and every tweet is potential ammo to be used. The right gets smeared for being racist so they just used the same play in reverse and the democrats being the p[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ssies that they are started scrambling in their usual backpedaling pandering manner.

Religious beliefs are never an excuse for incompetence. The guy in your example made a critical mistake. He should've made it clear in advance if he was going to pray and should have done it a better way. That applies tenfold if his absence on the job would affect other people. Good for him that he learned from his mistake. Your team had every right to be annoyed by that coworker and I'm sure you have several muslim coworkers who did not pray on top equipment. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

He's actually the only one but something like that should be fairly obvious - putting the religion as the absolute first thing without consideration for others is an issue.

[QUOTE=red1]Manner of dress is cultural nearly as much as it is religious. I don't see lilteapot saying anywhere that western women should dress that way.


Live and let live. No need to impose anything on anyone.[/QUOTE]

Right - but the culture is one of imposing a dress code on a woman. And religion and culture are clearly tied to each other. if lilteapot, doesn't live in a western country, fine.

And coming into a western country, maybe they should be adopting the culture of that country. Also, it's just incredibly impractical to wear one of those things when it's so damn hot.

[QUOTE=red1]It has everything to do with criticizing all muslims in western countries saying [B]all muslims [/B]are bloodthirsty all muslims are this, all muslims are that, blah blah blah. I hear that a lot and it's not accurate so I correct it when I see it.
[/QUOTE]


And this is fake news, bro. Never said or implied anything of the sort. If there are Muslims that I support, it's the radical ones that want to reform the religion.

[QUOTE=Hawker]He's actually the only one but something like that should be fairly obvious - [B]putting the religion as the absolute first thing without consideration for others is an issue.[/B][/QUOTE]
And I absolutely agree with that. That's common sense dude.[QUOTE=Hawker]Right - but the culture is one of imposing a dress code on a woman. And religion and culture are clearly tied to each other. if lilteapot, doesn't live in a western country, fine.

[B]And coming into a western country, maybe they should be adopting the culture of that country.[/B] Also, it's just incredibly impractical to wear one of those things when it's so damn hot.[/QUOTE]
That's common sense too. If you live in a country you have to respect it's laws and traditions. If a woman wants to wear a hijab as her religious belief then that's her right so I'm not referring to that.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing][B]And this is fake news, bro. [/B] Never said or implied anything of the sort. If there are Muslims that I support, it's the radical ones that want to reform the religion.[/QUOTE]
No it's not. You must have poor memory as well because this isn't the first time we've gone back and forth. I know that you're trolling but I also know that you believe the filth that you post.

Either way you're not my enemy. I'll probably leave you alone. You just need to interact with more people that have different views than you.

[QUOTE=red1]The criticism of Ilhan Omar is a joke and anyone with a brain can see that. Who knows she may very well be antisemitic I don't know. Nothing she said warranted the reaction she got. It's just the nature of the game, everything is fair game in the political arena and every tweet is potential ammo to be used. The right gets smeared for being racist so they just used the same play in reverse and the democrats being the p[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ssies that they are started scrambling in their usual backpedaling pandering manner.[/QUOTE]
In politics, you should generally have the decency to assume your opponents actually believe what they claim to believe. Being a fair and objective person, I

I swear Patrick has me worried, posts nothing but Islamophobia yet again, yea damn these Muzzlemzzz for dying, waste of bullets or something.... like he condones this type of shit happening... dude has that terrorist (but not enough psycho to go out and shoot up random muzzies) vibe about him...

Why are you guys giving chewing the time of day? :biggums: he will be the most active poster in my yearly Ramadan thread, book it.

[QUOTE=pauk]I swear Patrick has me worried, posts nothing but Islamophobia yet again, yea damn these Muzzlemzzz for dying, waste of bullets or something.... like he condones this type of shit happening... dude has that terrorist (but not enough psycho to go out and shoot up random muzzies) vibe about him...[/QUOTE]


:lol


At the first semblance of criticism, you guys jump into hysterics. I predicted an "Islamophobia" response a few pages back.

Ewing, a man whose faith believes all other people are gentiles talking about what's dangerous:coleman:

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]:lol


At the first semblance of criticism, you guys jump into hysterics. I predicted an "Islamophobia" response a few pages back.[/QUOTE]

Bro... all im saying is lets practice more ISH brethren peace & love, screw these psycho terrorists.... Humans, human birth defect / mental defect is the problem, if there are 1000 people, at least 1 of them is a Psycho who can blow them all up... we will always have that shit on planet earth.... 1 psycho is all it takes.... just 1.... religious or nazi or whatever views/reasons a dude gives to kill somebody... to take a humans life, cold blooded, especially an innocent random human being... is NOT sane, if you are SANE and can do that you will have nightmares for the rest of your life..... to do that shit and just go ahead live a normal life you need something special inside your brain, a special screw to be loose....

Again, whatever happened to CRAZY? People cant be crazy anymore? There has to be a reason for everything (even if the killer psycho gives one)? What, all killers are SANE they just... had a reason.... ? nikka plz....


This NZ dude is a monster, as a muslim i never have & never will blame a religion (especially not an Abrahamic one).
Dude went in there spraying & reloading like he was playing Counter Strike or something, heck it seemed like if some non-muslim was there he would have shot him to, dont think he was there to ask questions, its a mosque and whoever is in it DIES, awesome.... its people (mental thing) that is the problem, all it takes is just 1 screw to be loose on 1 guy and all hell breaks loose....

It will be a better world once both Christianity and Islam are nothing more than pages in history books.

[QUOTE=Prometheus]It will be a better world once both Christianity and Islam are nothing more than pages in history books.[/QUOTE]

:bowdown:

[QUOTE=Prometheus]It will be a better world once both Christianity and Islam are nothing more than pages in history books.[/QUOTE]



I've always said religion should be banned in public. Worship in your home or place of worship only..
it does not belong in the media or day to day life. At the end of the day it's a personal choice to believe in these things, so keep it to yourself..

I hate that any society has to bend over backwards not to offend someone over some bulshit they chose to believe. Someone's race/colour/sexuality etc are things they can't change and I hate to see anyone victimised over these..
Religion is a choice.

[QUOTE=coin24]I've always said religion should be banned in public. Worship in your home or place of worship only..
it does not belong in the media or day to day life. At the end of the day it's a personal choice to believe in these things, so keep it to yourself..

I hate that any society has to bend over backwards not to offend someone over some bulshit they chose to believe. Someone's race/colour/sexuality etc are things they can't change and I hate to see anyone victimised over these..
Religion is a choice.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but even beyond that - these faith systems are relics of the pre-modern world. They are not useful anymore, and are not compatible with what we now have and understand.

Yes it would be better if Christians and Muslims were private about their beliefs, but it would be even better if there simply were no Christians or Muslims left. And I'm not saying the answer is to kill them. The answer is to kill the ideas.

As usual, Christianity gets lumped in with Radical Islam. Even at their core, the belief systems of the two are not the same. But yeah, "All religions are bad!"

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]As usual, Christianity gets lumped in with Radical Islam. Even at their core, the belief systems of the two are not the same. But yeah, "All religions are bad!"[/QUOTE]

No, radical Islam is definitely a different animal. I don't think they are the same. But they both need to go.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]As usual, Christianity gets lumped in with Radical Islam. Even at their core, the belief systems of the two are not the same. But yeah, "All religions are bad!"[/QUOTE]


They are very similar tio, literally the same god with different prophets, all originated from the middle east. You know Europeans didn't practice this stuff originally

Christian organizations are hiding an unbelievable amount of abuse and corruption.

[QUOTE=Prometheus]It will be a better world once both Christianity and Islam are nothing more than pages in history books.[/QUOTE]

You better hope Islam doesn't grow any bigger. Christians tolerate atheists. Islam is supposed to tolerate Christians and Jews. But atheists are about as bad as you can get to a Muslim. Say there is no God in the land of Muslims and you are a dead man walking. While there are only 13 Muslim countries that officially give the death penalty to atheists, there are a lot more that carry out tribal justice that goes unpunished. About the only thing worse than an atheist to a Muslim is a Muslim that renounces his religion.

Aaaand the shooter succeeds at disarming a populace.

[URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-newzealand-shootout-ardern-guncontrol-idUSKCN1R205Z"]New Zealand bans semi-automatic weapons[/URL]

Just not the American population he was [URL="https://i.imgur.com/0uPP29Q.png"]hoping for[/URL]. (yet)

Although, I guess New Zealand needed a reason to get rid of their armed population if its going to be the last bastion of paradise for those billionaire preppers.

[QUOTE=NumberSix][B]In politics, you should generally have the decency to assume your opponents actually believe what they claim to believe. Being a fair and objective person, I

[QUOTE=Raymone]Aaaand the shooter succeeds at disarming a populace.

[URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-newzealand-shootout-ardern-guncontrol-idUSKCN1R205Z"]New Zealand bans semi-automatic weapons[/URL]

Just not the American population he was [URL="https://i.imgur.com/0uPP29Q.png"]hoping for[/URL]. (yet)[/QUOTE]
Ehhh new zealand isn't the states. They have a good thing going with their social fabric they don't have the same violence it's peaceful and people get along.

It's not like disarming someone where the crime rate is high. If you have thugs and crackheads in your neighborhood and you can't afford to move then it [B]should [/B]be a right to have a gun...

[QUOTE=imdaman99][B]Why are you guys giving chewing the time of day? [/B]:biggums: he will be the most active poster in my yearly Ramadan thread, book it.[/QUOTE]
It's good sport slapping him around.

He's not very intelligent so he's good to keep around. Same reason why you keep a dog around or why thin girls keep a fat girl around.


Agreed. No doubt that fatrick chewing will be the most active in the ramadan thread.

[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong]You better hope Islam doesn't grow any bigger. Christians tolerate atheists. Islam is supposed to tolerate Christians and Jews. But atheists are about as bad as you can get to a Muslim. Say there is no God in the land of Muslims and you are a dead man walking. While there are only 13 Muslim countries that officially give the death penalty to atheists, there are a lot more that carry out tribal justice that goes unpunished. About the only thing worse than an atheist to a Muslim is a Muslim that renounces his religion.[/QUOTE]

I understand your point, and I appreciate it. It does seem that Islam is the [I]worst[/I] of all the world's major religious institutions... for several reasons. But I don't want to harp on that point.

I'm not an atheist. I'm not agnostic either. I believe in God, but I do not define my perception of God by the boundaries of any established religion.

[QUOTE=Prometheus]No, radical Islam is definitely a different animal. I don't think they are the same. But they both need to go.[/QUOTE]

It's not "radical" if you have entire nations and regions condoning and perpetrating this behavior

[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong]You better hope Islam doesn't grow any bigger. Christians tolerate atheists. Islam is supposed to tolerate Christians and Jews. But atheists are about as bad as you can get to a Muslim. Say there is no God in the land of Muslims and you are a dead man walking. While there are only 13 Muslim countries that officially give the death penalty to atheists, there are a lot more that carry out tribal justice that goes unpunished. About the only thing worse than an atheist to a Muslim is a Muslim that renounces his religion.[/QUOTE]
Try being a gay atheist in an Islamic country :lol

[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong]It's not "radical" if you have entire nations and regions condoning and perpetrating this behavior[/QUOTE]

True.

I was simply adopting that terminology because I was responding to a guy using it.

I guess I could drop the word 'radical' and just say: no I don't think Islam and Christianity are the same. Yes, I believe Islam is worse... and for several reasons. I still stand by my original statement... the major religious institutions of the world... they all need to die. Not the people. The ideas.

[QUOTE=TheMan]Try being a gay atheist in an Islamic country :lol[/QUOTE]

I hear if you kill one of those you get 144 virgins and Allah let's you sit with him while you guys watch a few Will and Grace reruns

[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong]I hear if you kill one of those you get 144 virgins and Allah let's you sit with him while you guys watch a few Will and Grace reruns[/QUOTE]
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Gotta make sure those ISIS ****s don't come back anywhere after their base has been destroyed.

[QUOTE=Hawker]Gotta make sure those ISIS ****s don't come back anywhere after their base has been destroyed.[/QUOTE]


:applause:


I was going to make a thread, but it's no use. Glad the Caliphate intent on world domination and intent on converting everyone over to Islam is no more.

How far did they spread in eight years?? One or two countries?? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]:applause:


I was going to make a thread, but it's no use. Glad the Caliphate intent on world domination and intent on converting everyone over to Islam is no more.

How far did they spread in eight years?? One or two countries?? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I guess ISIS really was the JV team :lol

Al Qaeda was a more formidable opponent until they got their shit pushed in eventually :applause:

Onward, Christian soldiers!

[IMG]https://www.realmofhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/10-facts-medieval-crusader-state-armies_8.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=TheMan]I guess ISIS really was the JV team :lol

Al Qaeda was a more formidable opponent until they got their shit pushed in eventually :applause:

Onward, Christian soldiers!

[IMG]https://www.realmofhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/10-facts-medieval-crusader-state-armies_8.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


My n*gga! :rockon:


Through Christ, all things are possible.

[QUOTE=Prometheus]It will be a better world once both Christianity and Islam are nothing more than pages in history books.[/QUOTE]

Not even children are foolish enough to believe this and not even fools are arrogant enough to think they can even make this claim.

Do you even know the contents of the Holy Qu'ran?
Within them are answers for the following:
- Who is God?
- What is God "like"?
- What is man and God's relationship supposed to be like?
- What happens after we die?
- Our personal accountability for our actions and words in the Hereafter.

- The mission of the Prophets (PBUH) of before times.
- What is right, what is wrong?
- What constitutes righteousness?
- What constitutes wickedness?
- Why were previous civilizations like Egypt/Babylon destroyed?
- The equality of man.
- How children should treat parents

- How the rich should contribute to helping the poor.
- What the purpose of life is?
- The nature of the life of this world.
- Justice

etc. etc.

and many, many more.

For starters you'd have to understand the depths of both faiths. The condition of mankind before and after the communities of Jesus (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH). The civilizing aspect of both---religion in general has been linked with prosperous communities since the beginning--collective worship. The effect it has on the peace and happiness of the human heart. The effect it has on human families. The effect it has on human charities. The effect it has on the solidarity and organization of so many humans.
The effects it has on the afterlife. And many, many more.

Or better yet look at the lives of people who turn to religion on the individual, worldly scale.

Even "secular humanism" borrows/steals/uses/aligns a portion of it's good from Christianity/Islam...…

[QUOTE=Prometheus]True.

I was simply adopting that terminology because I was responding to a guy using it.

I guess I could drop the word 'radical' and just say: no I don't think Islam and Christianity are the same. [B]Yes, I believe Islam is worse... and for several reasons. I still stand by my original statemen[/B]t... the major religious institutions of the world... they all need to die. Not the people. The ideas.[/QUOTE]


Okay. You, TheMan, and Chewing believe you are wiser than God now.

At least you may have a few decades to rethink that.


The following are Bible verses stressing the importance of submission to God's Will.

Islam TRANSLATES to submission to God's Will.

[QUOTE]Psalm 40:8
Verse Concepts
I delight to do Your will, O my God; Your Law is within my heart."


Psalm 143:10
Verse Concepts
Teach me to do Your will, For You are my God; Let Your good Spirit lead me on level ground.

Matthew 6:10
Verse Concepts
'Your kingdom come Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven.

Matthew 12:50
Verse Concepts
"For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."

Romans 12:2
Verse Concepts
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

John 5:30
Verse Concepts
"I can do nothing on My own initiative As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]3:19 Mohsin Khan: Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]My n*gga! :rockon:


Through Christ, all things are possible.[/QUOTE]

Cheering violently for men on horses and steel armor out there slaughtering people in the Holy Land in a thread shortly after 49 were shot and mowed down while praying to God.

Are you comfortable with this on your record on the Day of Judgment, Patrick?

Is this really the behavior that Jesus would have endorsed?

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]Not even children are foolish enough to believe this and not even fools are arrogant enough to think they can even make this claim.

Do you even know the contents of the Holy Qu'ran?
Within them are [B][SIZE="7"]answers[/SIZE][/B] for the following:
- Who is God?
- What is God "like"?
- What is man and God's relationship supposed to be like?
- What happens after we die?
- Our personal accountability for our actions and words in the Hereafter.

- The mission of the Prophets (PBUH) of before times.
- What is right, what is wrong?
- What constitutes righteousness?
- What constitutes wickedness?
- Why were previous civilizations like Egypt/Babylon destroyed?
- The equality of man.
- How children should treat parents

- How the rich should contribute to helping the poor.
- What the purpose of life is?
- The nature of the life of this world.
- Justice

etc. etc.

and many, many more.

For starters you'd have to understand the depths of both faiths. The condition of mankind before and after the communities of Jesus (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH). The civilizing aspect of both---religion in general has been linked with prosperous communities since the beginning--collective worship. The effect it has on the peace and happiness of the human heart. The effect it has on human families. The effect it has on human charities. The effect it has on the solidarity and organization of so many humans.
The effects it has on the afterlife. And many, many more.

Or better yet look at the lives of people who turn to religion on the individual, worldly scale.

Even "secular humanism" borrows/steals/uses/aligns a portion of it's good from Christianity/Islam...