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With my next pick I choose [B]Michael Cooper[/B] the 8x All-D and 5x champion Lakers SG
Specifically I'm picking 1987 Michael Copper who was DPOY and one of the best perimeter defenders of all time.
He was also an elite 3 point shooter. PO & RS combined, he hit the most threes of anyone in the league in 1987, at a rate of 41%.
My back court is now complete. CP3, Harden, Price, Cooper.
I guess DaHeezy can make his picks when he returns. In the meantime, lets proceed with the draft.
I can go more bpa to fill out my bench. Need a pg to compliment Giannis who can shoot so I
I feel like I need a defensive presence in the backcourt. I'm going with '03 Jason Kidd. Best PG available, all-time great passer and can defend multiple positions.
C - '90 Ewing
F - '04 Garnett
F - '13 LeBron
G - '03 McGrady | '08 Ginobili
G - '17 Irving | '03 Kidd
I already have strong point guard play with Robertson and Frazier, as well as an isolation scorer in Bryant, but I don't quite have enough athleticism.
That's why I'm picking [b]David Thompson[/b] who, in 1977, scored 27 points per game on .521 FG% from the floor. He could score from anywhere, including the post and had a beautiful but quite deadly jumpshot due to that ultraquick first step. But his strength was high-flying dunks in the Doctor J class, unusually explosive type of athlete who pulled off standing dunks easily like a 7 foot center - finished easily with acrobatic and powerful dunks.
C - '67 Chamberlain
F - '75 McAdoo
F - '06 Bryant
G - '77 Thompson/ '94 Petrovic
G - '64 Robertson/ '70 Frazier
I will focus on shooting and size in the final rounds. :cheers:
I pick Grant Hill (pre injury version)
Round 1
1) DaHeezy - Michael Jordan
2) AussieSteve - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3) NBAGOAT - Shaquille O'Neal
4) 1987_Lakers - LeBron James
5) Gotterdammerung - Wilt Chamberlain
6) Manny98 - Kevin Durant
7) SouBeachTalents - Hakeem Olajuwon
8) iamgine - Kawhi Leonard
9) Achilleas - Larry Bird
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - Bill Russell
Round 2
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - Magic Johnson
2) Achilleas - Tim Duncan
3) iamgine - Stephen Curry
4) SouBeachTalents - DIRK
5) Manny98 - ADMIRAL ROBINSON
6) Gotterdammerung - KOBE BRYANT
7) 1987_Lakers - KEVIN GARNETT
8) NBAGOAT -WADE
9) AussieSteve - Charles Barkley
10) DaHeezy - Scottie Pippen
Round 3
1) DaHeezy - John Stockton
2) AussieSteve - Chris Paul
3) NBAGOAT - Jerry West
4) 1987_Lakers - Tracy Mcgrady
5) Gotterdammerung - Oscar Robertson
6) Manny98 - Steve Nash
7) SouBeachTalents - Isiah Thomas
8) iamgine - Bill Walton
9) Achilleas - Julius Erving
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - KARL MALONE
Round 4
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - RAY ALLEN
2) Achilleas - KLAY THOMPSON
3) iamgine - Anthony Davis
4) SouBeachTalents - Reggie Miller
5) Manny98 - Sidney Moncrief
6) Gotterdammerung - Bob McAdoo
7) 1987_Lakers - Patrick Ewing
8) NBAGOAT - Draymond Green
9) AussieSteve - Moses Malone
10) DaHeezy - Chris Webber
Round 5
1) DaHeezy - Dikembe Mutombo
2) AussieSteve - James Harden
3) NBAGOAT - Giannis Antetokounmpo
4) 1987_Lakers - Manu Ginobili
5) Gotterdammerung - Dra
Chauncey Billups
During this free agent frenzy, I'll be taking a closer look at the other teams - or would-be victims of Team Gotterdammerung's ascendancy
:pimp:
Early prognosis:
[B]DaHeezy [/B]has a donut - strong on the perimeter, but squishy on the inside. Webber and Muotumbo aren't reliable offensive scorers - Webb likes elbow jumpers and Mutombo only does putbacks.
[B]AussieSteve[/B] has a balanced team with KAJ, Barkley and Moses up front, plus Paul and Harden in the backcourt, but they're all ball dominant guys.
[B]NBAGOAT[/B] has a ferocious duo in prime Shaq and Wade, but insufficient shooting with Green and Antetokounmpo up front, clogging the paint. Shooters in Lillard and West and Stojakovic will have to play heavy minutes, but that compromises the team defense.
[B]1987 Lakers [/B]has a solid roster, as long Kidd and Ginobili start over ballhogs in McGrady and Irving, in order to free up room for LBJ so he can also hit Garnett and Ewing for 15 foot jumpers.
[B]Manny 98 [/B]has an underrated roster with the Admiral and KD up front, and Nash and Moncrief in the backcourt. But in this tournament, Korver and Howard are strictly bench guys.
:biggums:
[B]SouBeachTalents [/B]has a terrific frontcourt with Olajuwon and Nowitzki, plus a deadly combo with Thomas and Miller in the backcourt. Artest is a better fit with the starting lineup, so Billups and George can play together.
[B]Iamgine[/B] is sneaky-good with McHale and Payton backing up Walton, Leonard, Curry and Davis, but he needs more wing players.
[B]Achilleas[/B] should dominate with high IQ players in Duncan and Bird and Thompson, and versatile with Erving and Areneas, but needs more power and rebounding to fight the real monsters elsewhere.
[B]Olajuwon[/B] has the best roster overall, with champions like Russell, Johnson and Havlicek, as well as reliable halfcourt options in Malone and Allen.
can we agree to put this on hold for at least a couple days, dont think people care right now :oldlol:.
I agree with got's criticisms of my team but i'm banking on specific years helping me out here. 00 shaq by all accounts is an all nba rim protector, 16 draymond shot 39% from 3 in 16. I'm going try to fill out my bench with some defense however. Dont play on ever playing shaq, giannis, dray together unless another team goes with 3 bigs lineups(giannis dray will be my small ball duo for now).
I'll take Victor Oladipo
Round 1
1) DaHeezy - Michael Jordan
2) AussieSteve - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3) NBAGOAT - Shaquille O'Neal
4) 1987_Lakers - LeBron James
5) Gotterdammerung - Wilt Chamberlain
6) Manny98 - Kevin Durant
7) SouBeachTalents - Hakeem Olajuwon
8) iamgine - Kawhi Leonard
9) Achilleas - Larry Bird
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - Bill Russell
Round 2
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - Magic Johnson
2) Achilleas - Tim Duncan
3) iamgine - Stephen Curry
4) SouBeachTalents - DIRK
5) Manny98 - ADMIRAL ROBINSON
6) Gotterdammerung - KOBE BRYANT
7) 1987_Lakers - KEVIN GARNETT
8) NBAGOAT -WADE
9) AussieSteve - Charles Barkley
10) DaHeezy - Scottie Pippen
Round 3
1) DaHeezy - John Stockton
2) AussieSteve - Chris Paul
3) NBAGOAT - Jerry West
4) 1987_Lakers - Tracy Mcgrady
5) Gotterdammerung - Oscar Robertson
6) Manny98 - Steve Nash
7) SouBeachTalents - Isiah Thomas
8) iamgine - Bill Walton
9) Achilleas - Julius Erving
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - KARL MALONE
Round 4
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - RAY ALLEN
2) Achilleas - KLAY THOMPSON
3) iamgine - Anthony Davis
4) SouBeachTalents - Reggie Miller
5) Manny98 - Sidney Moncrief
6) Gotterdammerung - Bob McAdoo
7) 1987_Lakers - Patrick Ewing
8) NBAGOAT - Draymond Green
9) AussieSteve - Moses Malone
10) DaHeezy - Chris Webber
Round 5
1) DaHeezy - Dikembe Mutombo
2) AussieSteve - James Harden
3) NBAGOAT - Giannis Antetokounmpo
4) 1987_Lakers - Manu Ginobili
5) Gotterdammerung - Dra
[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]
[B]1987 Lakers [/B]has a solid roster, as long Kidd and Ginobili start over ballhogs in McGrady and Irving, in order to free up room for LBJ so he can also hit Garnett and Ewing for 15 foot jumpers.
.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually seriously considering starting Kidd over Irving. No way I'm benching T-Mac though. I wouldn't consider T-Mac a ball hog, he was basically Orlando's only scoring option when he was there, he had to take over games with his scoring. T-Mac's passing ability was the most underrated part of his game.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]I'm actually seriously considering starting Kidd over Irving. No way I'm benching T-Mac though. I wouldn't consider T-Mac a ball hog, he was basically Orlando's only scoring option when he was there, he had to take over games with his scoring. T-Mac's passing ability was the most underrated part of his game.[/QUOTE]
Yes but LBJ and McGrady are duplicate players with a ball dominant game. Neither were particularly good at playing off the ball.
GINOBILI! was a much better teammate and was more likely to keep the ball moving to the open man.
Pistol maravich
[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]
[B]AussieSteve[/B] has a balanced team with KAJ, Barkley and Moses up front, plus Paul and Harden in the backcourt, but they're all ball dominant guy.[/QUOTE]
I feel that I have the best back court of any team.
Defensively I have one of the greatest defensive PGs ever and one of the greatest defensive SGs ever who, between the two of them, have won a DPOY and been selected to 17 All-D teams.
For spacing I have a GOAT-tier 3pt shooter in Price. And Cooper is the ultimate 3 and D player. In 1987 he was DPOY and shot 41% from 3 (RS and PO combined) while making more 3 pointers than Larry Bird did in any season of his career.
Harden is obviously an ATG scorer and CP3 and Price are elite ball handlers. Scoring, shooting, spacing, defense, ball handling, facilitating... All A+.
I'm not concerned about having too many ball dominant guys. We've seen Harden and CP play beside each other successfully and Price can play as an off ball spot up shooter or secondary ball handler... as a 2x 3pt contest winner and 4x All-NBA PG, he'll be elite in either role.
My front court needs a couple of pieces, but offensively I feel it's the best of the lot so far. Peak KAJ is imo the best combination of scoring, facilitating and defense ever at the C. Moses and Chuck are two of the best offensive rebounders of all time, and peak Barkley was the next best thing to Shaq in terms of offensive dominance inside.
In terms of interior defense, KAJ and Moses were both All-D 1st team in their peak seasons. While their not a DRob / TD tier defensive pairing, the team will have elite rim protectiom and defensive rebounding, no matter who is on the floor.
Two gifted clutch wings...
[B]Clyde "The Glide" Drexler[/B]
An exceptional finisher: acrobatic dunker/athletic slasher/midrange shooter, solid playmaker, rebounder and defender.
- Drexler leads all guards with his career average of offensive rebounds with 2.4 per game.
- averaged more rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than Kobe Bryant, (and higher shooting % from the floor)
- record for most steals in a half (both regular season and playoffs history)
- 10
Round 1
1) DaHeezy - Michael Jordan
2) AussieSteve - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3) NBAGOAT - Shaquille O'Neal
4) 1987_Lakers - LeBron James
5) Gotterdammerung - Wilt Chamberlain
6) Manny98 - Kevin Durant
7) SouBeachTalents - Hakeem Olajuwon
8) iamgine - Kawhi Leonard
9) Achilleas - Larry Bird
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - Bill Russell
Round 2
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - Magic Johnson
2) Achilleas - Tim Duncan
3) iamgine - Stephen Curry
4) SouBeachTalents - DIRK
5) Manny98 - ADMIRAL ROBINSON
6) Gotterdammerung - KOBE BRYANT
7) 1987_Lakers - KEVIN GARNETT
8) NBAGOAT -WADE
9) AussieSteve - Charles Barkley
10) DaHeezy - Scottie Pippen
Round 3
1) DaHeezy - John Stockton
2) AussieSteve - Chris Paul
3) NBAGOAT - Jerry West
4) 1987_Lakers - Tracy Mcgrady
5) Gotterdammerung - Oscar Robertson
6) Manny98 - Steve Nash
7) SouBeachTalents - Isiah Thomas
8) iamgine - Bill Walton
9) Achilleas - Julius Erving
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - KARL MALONE
Round 4
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - RAY ALLEN
2) Achilleas - KLAY THOMPSON
3) iamgine - Anthony Davis
4) SouBeachTalents - Reggie Miller
5) Manny98 - Sidney Moncrief
6) Gotterdammerung - Bob McAdoo
7) 1987_Lakers - Patrick Ewing
8) NBAGOAT - Draymond Green
9) AussieSteve - Moses Malone
10) DaHeezy - Chris Webber
Round 5
1) DaHeezy - Dikembe Mutombo
2) AussieSteve - James Harden
3) NBAGOAT - Giannis Antetokounmpo
4) 1987_Lakers - Manu Ginobili
5) Gotterdammerung - Dražen Petrović
6) Manny98 - Kyle Korver
7) SouBeachTalents - Ron Artest
8) iamgine - GARY PAYTON
9) Achilleas - GILBERT ARENAS
10) Hakeem Olajuwon -JOHN HAVLICEK
Round 6
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - DENNIS RODMAN
2) Achilleas - RICK BARRY
3) iamgine - Kevin Mchale
4) SouBeachTalents - Paul George
5) Manny98 - Dwight Howard
6) Gotterdammerung - Walt Frazier
7) 1987_Lakers - Kyrie Irving
8) NBAGOAT - Peja Stojakovic
9) AussieSteve - Mark Price
10) DaHeezy - Skipped
Round 7
1) DaHeezy - Skipped
2) AussieSteve - Michael Cooper
3) NBAGOAT - Damian Lillard
4) 1987_Lakers - Jason Kidd
5) Gotterdammerung - David Thompson
6) Manny98 - Grant Hill
7) SouBeachTalents - Chauncey Billups
8) iamgine - Victor Oladipo
9) Achilleas - Pistol maravich
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - Clyde Drexler
Round 8
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - James Worthy
2) Achilleas -
3) iamgine -
4) SouBeachTalents -
5) Manny98 -
6) Gotterdammerung -
7) 1987_Lakers -
8) NBAGOAT -
9) AussieSteve -
10) DaHeezy -
Iggy for next pick
[QUOTE=iamgine]I'll take Andrei Kir....I mean Paul Pierce[/QUOTE]
Damn it thought it was my round delete
I'll take Paul Pierce
Shit. I forgot about this. Sorry OP for letting you down. Sorry everyone for the delay. :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=solar.hands]Shit. I forgot about this. Sorry OP for letting you down. Sorry everyone for the delay. :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Glad you
[QUOTE=Hakeem Olajuwon]Glad you
Dale Ellis
Next i pick Shawn Marion
Round 1
1) DaHeezy - Michael Jordan
2) AussieSteve - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3) NBAGOAT - Shaquille O'Neal
4) 1987_Lakers - LeBron James
5) Gotterdammerung - Wilt Chamberlain
6) Manny98 - Kevin Durant
7) SouBeachTalents - Hakeem Olajuwon
8) iamgine - Kawhi Leonard
9) Achilleas - Larry Bird
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - Bill Russell
Round 2
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - Magic Johnson
2) Achilleas - Tim Duncan
3) iamgine - Stephen Curry
4) SouBeachTalents - DIRK
5) Manny98 - ADMIRAL ROBINSON
6) Gotterdammerung - KOBE BRYANT
7) 1987_Lakers - KEVIN GARNETT
8) NBAGOAT -WADE
9) AussieSteve - Charles Barkley
10) DaHeezy - Scottie Pippen
Round 3
1) DaHeezy - John Stockton
2) AussieSteve - Chris Paul
3) NBAGOAT - Jerry West
4) 1987_Lakers - Tracy Mcgrady
5) Gotterdammerung - Oscar Robertson
6) Manny98 - Steve Nash
7) SouBeachTalents - Isiah Thomas
8) iamgine - Bill Walton
9) Achilleas - Julius Erving
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - KARL MALONE
Round 4
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - RAY ALLEN
2) Achilleas - KLAY THOMPSON
3) iamgine - Anthony Davis
4) SouBeachTalents - Reggie Miller
5) Manny98 - Sidney Moncrief
6) Gotterdammerung - Bob McAdoo
7) 1987_Lakers - Patrick Ewing
8) NBAGOAT - Draymond Green
9) AussieSteve - Moses Malone
10) DaHeezy - Chris Webber
Round 5
1) DaHeezy - Dikembe Mutombo
2) AussieSteve - James Harden
3) NBAGOAT - Giannis Antetokounmpo
4) 1987_Lakers - Manu Ginobili
5) Gotterdammerung - Dražen Petrović
6) Manny98 - Kyle Korver
7) SouBeachTalents - Ron Artest
8) iamgine - GARY PAYTON
9) Achilleas - GILBERT ARENAS
10) Hakeem Olajuwon -JOHN HAVLICEK
Round 6
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - DENNIS RODMAN
2) Achilleas - RICK BARRY
3) iamgine - Kevin Mchale
4) SouBeachTalents - Paul George
5) Manny98 - Dwight Howard
6) Gotterdammerung - Walt Frazier
7) 1987_Lakers - Kyrie Irving
8) NBAGOAT - Peja Stojakovic
9) AussieSteve - Mark Price
10) DaHeezy - Skipped
Round 7
1) DaHeezy - Skipped
2) AussieSteve - Michael Cooper
3) NBAGOAT - Damian Lillard
4) 1987_Lakers - Jason Kidd
5) Gotterdammerung - David Thompson
6) Manny98 - Grant Hill
7) SouBeachTalents - Chauncey Billups
8) iamgine - Victor Oladipo
9) Achilleas - Pistol maravich
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - Clyde Drexler
Round 8
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - James Worthy
2) Achilleas - Andre Iguodala
3) iamgine - Paul Pierce
4) SouBeachTalents - Dale Ellis
5) Manny98 - Shawn Marion
6) Gotterdammerung -
7) 1987_Lakers -
8) NBAGOAT -
9) AussieSteve -
10) DaHeezy -
A bit busy right now but I'll go with [b]Nate Thurmond[/b] as a backup for Chamberlain, or a big lineup to battle potential Twin Towers.
Pierce or Iggy were my next targets, but since they are gone I'll go with '05 Bruce Bowen. Elite 3 and D guy.
- Finished 2nd in DPOY voting in 2005
- All-NBA Defensive First Team
- 40% 3 point shooter.
Round 1
1) DaHeezy - Michael Jordan
2) AussieSteve - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3) NBAGOAT - Shaquille O'Neal
4) 1987_Lakers - LeBron James
5) Gotterdammerung - Wilt Chamberlain
6) Manny98 - Kevin Durant
7) SouBeachTalents - Hakeem Olajuwon
8) iamgine - Kawhi Leonard
9) Achilleas - Larry Bird
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - Bill Russell
Round 2
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - Magic Johnson
2) Achilleas - Tim Duncan
3) iamgine - Stephen Curry
4) SouBeachTalents - DIRK
5) Manny98 - ADMIRAL ROBINSON
6) Gotterdammerung - KOBE BRYANT
7) 1987_Lakers - KEVIN GARNETT
8) NBAGOAT -WADE
9) AussieSteve - Charles Barkley
10) DaHeezy - Scottie Pippen
Round 3
1) DaHeezy - John Stockton
2) AussieSteve - Chris Paul
3) NBAGOAT - Jerry West
4) 1987_Lakers - Tracy Mcgrady
5) Gotterdammerung - Oscar Robertson
6) Manny98 - Steve Nash
7) SouBeachTalents - Isiah Thomas
8) iamgine - Bill Walton
9) Achilleas - Julius Erving
10) Hakeem Olajuwon - KARL MALONE
Round 4
1) Hakeem Olajuwon - RAY ALLEN
2) Achilleas - KLAY THOMPSON
3) iamgine - Anthony Davis
4) SouBeachTalents - Reggie Miller
5) Manny98 - Sidney Moncrief
6) Gotterdammerung - Bob McAdoo
7) 1987_Lakers - Patrick Ewing
8) NBAGOAT - Draymond Green
9) AussieSteve - Moses Malone
10) DaHeezy - Chris Webber
Round 5
1) DaHeezy - Dikembe Mutombo
2) AussieSteve - James Harden
3) NBAGOAT - Giannis Antetokounmpo
4) 1987_Lakers - Manu Ginobili
5) Gotterdammerung - Dra
my team
guards: arenas,pistol,klay,iggy
forwards : doctor j,larry,barry,
center : duncan
:rockon:
ok i can make the pick I accidentally made like 5 picks ago. Hello 04 andrei kirlenko. One of the most versatile defenders of all time and better man defender arguably than draymond. Should help make up for my kind of weak perimeter defense so far
G- West, Lillard
G- Wade
F- Peja, Kirilenko
F- Dray, Giannis
C- Shaq
Are we skipping Heezy? I dont think he is coming back anytime soon.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Are we skipping Heezy? I dont think he is coming back anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Until Heezy comes back, Aussie should just pick b2b
DaHeezy should be suspended for "conduct unbecoming of an owner."
Sorry,"governor." :oldlol:
Sorry guys! I was at a wedding yesterday in the boonies and had no reception.
My bad. Should I pick? Or wait my turn
I guess you can make the two picks you missed now. Then wait for Aussie to make his pick, then you can make your next two picks.
[QUOTE=DaHeezy]Sorry guys! I was at a wedding yesterday in the boonies and had no reception.
My bad. Should I pick? Or wait my turn[/QUOTE]
go for it mate.
make the two picks that you missed. i'll pick, then you have 2 more.
I'll take Allen Iverson and Dominique Wilkins