How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a

Who did the Magic have in 2009? They were one of the biggest underdogs to ever win a playoff series - everyone thought the Cavs would beat them easily.. So a strong team wasn't needed to win the conference.. The 00's East is the only conference in history that was won by a bunch of 1-star teams (Iverson, Kidd, Lebron, Dwight), so Lebron formed a super-team in a conference that 1-star teams were winning - that's the definition of stacking the deck..

Btw, the Cavs only won 45 games in 2008 - so Mo Williams didn't join a good team and wasn't coattailing.. He infact made that team good (21 more wins), which is why he was an all-star despite getting less PPG and APG than before Lebron..

Here's an example that demonstrates the point - those Cavs had the #3 defense, compared to #19 for the 90' Bulls, while Mo was better offensively than Pippen across the board (scoring, efficiency, PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48).. Then they added a 22/9 player in 2010 (Jamison), but Lebron's skill restriction to ball-dominance turned him into a spot-up shooter and 15/8 stats..

Lebron did this with Hughes and Ingram too - so his skill restriction to ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping, talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball-movement, so Lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors..

Ultimately, Lebron stacked the deck with super-teams for 7 years (11-17') and KD stacked the deck for 4 years (17', 18', 19', 21'), while Giannis won by not stacking the deck (goat-caliber).. People forget that Bosh was a 6x all-star before Lebron, while Pau was 1x before Kobe.. And Wade had a 28 PER and 9 BPM in 2010, compared to 21 and 4 for Kobe.. So Lebron teamed up with the rich man's version of Kobe-Pau, while Durant joined a 1 seed.. Otoh, Giannis started with a 15-win team and persevered until he was champions.. Accordingly, I have Giannis above both KD and Lebron because he learned to WIN (organic), while they only learned to team-hop.. I don't blame KD so much because Lebron shut the league down with super-teams from 2011-2016, so KD had to respond to Lebron's deck-stacking..

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Btw, the Cavs only won 45 games in 2008 - so Mo Williams didn't join a good team and wasn't coattailing.. He infact made that team good (21 more wins), which is why he was an all-star despite getting less PPG and APG than before Lebron..
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Before Scottie joined, the Bulls NEVER won over .500 WITH 1-9. Scottie carried them. In fact, 1-9 NEVER had a winning record without Scottie. :roll: :roll:

All LeBron needed to win 60 games was a role-player in Mo.

So did Jordan get bronze medal or lose a series with HCA?

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14486378]So did Jordan get bronze medal or lose a series with HCA?[/QUOTE]

I’m not quite sure to tell you the truth.

Anyone know?

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14486378]So did Jordan get bronze medal or lose a series with HCA?[/QUOTE]

1-9

Out scored by Terry

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14486419]1-9

Out scored by Terry[/QUOTE]

0-12 and 2 bronze medals. 0 titles in 11 years for franchise that drafted you

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14486419]1-9

Out scored by Terry[/QUOTE]

100% correct

Jason terry 18
Lebron james 17 lolololol

Answer to the initial question

Lebron forgot to switch to the 5 to counter Howard. A very big missed opportunity since he is elite at center too.

[QUOTE=2much_knowledge;14486451]Answer to the initial question

Lebron forgot to switch to the 5 to counter Howard. A very big missed opportunity since he is elite at center too.[/QUOTE]

Nah, he couldn't really guard real centers. Just those weak 3 point/soft ones.
He said so himself that Dwight is too strong for him.
His defensive versatility is highly overrated.

[QUOTE=Baller789;14486725]Nah, he couldn't really guard real centers. Just those weak 3 point/soft ones.
He said so himself that Dwight is too strong for him.
[B]His defensive versatility is highly overrated[/B].[/QUOTE]

Not being able to effectively guard the best center in the league doesn’t mean he wasn’t extremely versatile defensively.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14486730]Not being able to effectively guard the best center in the league doesn’t mean he wasn’t extremely versatile defensively.[/QUOTE]

This best center in the league isn't even an elite level center offensively.
See also weak era of centers.

rem when jordone embarrassed himself vs orl because duh bulls had no one to guard horace grant? that was funny.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14486739]rem when jordone embarrassed himself vs orl because duh bulls had no one to guard horace grant? that was funny.[/QUOTE]

They had no quality bigs at a time when bigs mattered. So that wasn't surprising.

shaq in 95 playoffs vs chi - 24, 13, 4 on 48%
shaq in 96 playoffs vs chi - 27, 11, 4 on 64%

like i said...duh bulls lost because they had no one to defend 6'10, 215 lb horace grant (including midget miguel jordone) who averaged 18-11 on 65%

embarrassing.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14486798]shaq in 95 playoffs vs chi - 24, 13, 4 on 48%
shaq in 96 playoffs vs chi - 27, 11, 4 on 64%

like i said...duh bulls lost because they had no one to defend 6'10, 215 lb horace grant (including midget miguel jordone) who averaged 18-11 on 65%

embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

Your non coherent post is embarrassing. :lol

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14486798]shaq in 95 playoffs vs chi - 24, 13, 4 on 48%
shaq in 96 playoffs vs chi - 27, 11, 4 on 64%

like i said...duh bulls lost because they had no one to defend 6'10, 215 lb horace grant (including midget miguel jordone) who averaged 18-11 on 65%

embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

Your non coherent post is embarrassing. :lol

lol @ the double posting tard is so angry i pushed his shit in he's pretending not to understand my post...twice.

pathetic and even more embarrassing.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14486842]lol @ the double posting tard is so angry i pushed his shit in he's pretending not to understand my post...twice.

pathetic and even more embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

+1

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14486419]1-9

Out scored by Terry[/QUOTE]

Yep Lebron 0-12. Missed playoffs 3 times and then these

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570[/url]

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[url]https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT[/url]

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher[/url]



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2[/url]


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED[/url]



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3[/url]

[QUOTE=Baller789;14486732]This best center in the league isn't even an elite level center offensively.
See also weak era of centers.[/QUOTE]

His skill set wasn’t elite but he was a monster..

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14486842]lol @ the double posting tard is so angry i pushed his shit in he's pretending not to understand my post...twice.

pathetic and even more embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

So embarrassing I had to post it twice. :lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14486919]His skill set wasn’t elite but he was a monster..[/QUOTE]

But we talking about Lebron defending the offensively challenged monster.
:lebronamazed:

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14486842]lol @ the double posting tard is so angry i pushed his shit in he's pretending not to understand my post...twice.

pathetic and even more embarrassing.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

[QUOTE=Axe;14486946]:roll:[/QUOTE]

Hey the homophobic Lebronstan B!tch is back.

Wazzzup?

[QUOTE=Baller789;14486948]Hey the homophobic Lebronstan B!tch is back.

Wazzzup?[/QUOTE]
Hi @julius erving

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It's always the same excuse from Lebron fans - "[I]b-b-but the opponent just got hot[/I]" (again)

Unfortunately, it isn't coincidence because the Spurs, Warriors, Magic and Mavs all got hot against bron-ball - ball-dominance simply lets the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively.. that's why ball-dominance is inferior strategy to ball movement, which wears down defenses more and wins the battle of attrition. The best defense is a good offense (a tenet of all competition) and bron-ball simply loses the attrition battle on the championship level.

Ultimately, Lebron can't beat the top teams with high scoring because his high scoring is too ball-dominant (09' ECF) or too inefficient at the extra jumpshooting volume (15'), so he needs elite scorers to play sidekick that can match his scoring for entire playoff runs (11', 16', 20').. This attracts defensive attention so Lebron never beat maximum defensive attention in the Finals (never carried the scoring load)..

He can't carry the scoring load in the Finals or beat good teams with teammates wetting the bed because he lacks elite jumpshooting skill to "pop off", so he's more of a plodder.

[QUOTE=Axe;14486950]Hi @julius erving[/QUOTE]

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Says the homophobe :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Baller789;14487067]Says the homophobe :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Oh you

[QUOTE=Axe;14487107]Oh you[/QUOTE]

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:roll:

[QUOTE=Baller789;14486926]But we talking about Lebron defending the offensively challenged monster.
:lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]

He wasn't offensively challenged. He just didn't have an elite skillset. As you said..

He was the most dominant center in the league. Not being able to shut out the most dominant center in the league is not an indictment on Lebron's defensive versatility.

Stop being a fakkit

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14487163]He wasn't offensively challenged. He just didn't have an elite skillset. As you said..

He was the most dominant center in the league. Not being able to shut out the most dominant center in the league is not an indictment on Lebron's defensive versatility.

Stop being a fakkit[/QUOTE]


I remember when David West from the Pacers destroyed Lebron in Game 1 of the 14' ECF, which forced Spolestra to change the whole defensive game plan for the remainder of the series.

I guess that's why we never saw Lebron guard Dirk or Duncan - he obviously can't, since David West ragdolled him

So cut the crap.. Lebron isn't a versatile defender because he's only elite against SF's . He can't chase off-guards around screens and can't guard most PG's or bigs like West. So once again, Lebron gets entirely overrated by his fans/media

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14487163]He wasn't offensively challenged. He just didn't have an elite skillset. As you said..

He was the most dominant center in the league. Not being able to shut out the most dominant center in the league is not an indictment on Lebron's defensive versatility.

Stop being a fakkit[/QUOTE]

He's a dominant center because?

A. Offense
B. Defence

Which is it?

And now he has him on his team. lol:oldlol:

At what point in Dwight Howard’s career was a he a loser to define his entire career as one of losing?

Was Dwight Howard a career loser before he even had a prime? You dimwit?

[QUOTE=999Guy;14487551]At what point in Dwight Howard’s career was a he a loser to define his entire career as one of losing?

Was Dwight Howard a career loser before he even had a prime? You dimwit?[/QUOTE]

Dude was a career loser. Only player he beat was Lebron. Even at his prime/peak with HCA he lost in round 1 to Josh Smith.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14487553]Dude was a career loser. Only player he beat was Lebron. Even at his prime/peak with HCA he lost in round 1 to Josh Smith.[/QUOTE]

The statement was he was a loser at the time he beat LeBron. I want to understand how that’s possible considering it was his first prime year.

And wtf is the point of what you just posted, what am I supposed to conclude?

Smith > Howard > LeBron


And Dwight beat prime Bosh in the playoffs. So Bosh > LeBron...until 2011?

[QUOTE=999Guy;14487560]The statement was he was a loser at the time he beat LeBron. I want to understand how that’s possible considering it was his first prime year.

And wtf is the point of what you just posted, what am I supposed to conclude?

Smith > Howard > LeBron


And Dwight beat prime Bosh in the playoffs. So Bosh > LeBron...until 2011?[/QUOTE]

It wasn't said he was a career loser at the time but rather he was a career loser. What other player did he beat apart from Lebron in his prime? He lost to freaking Josh Smith with HCA. Prove me wrong!

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14487561]It wasn't said he was a career loser at the time but rather he was a career loser. What other player did he beat apart from Lebron in his prime? He lost to freaking Josh Smith with HCA. Prove me wrong![/QUOTE]

He beat LeBron without HCA. Why would I care about your nitpicked series more?