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[QUOTE=OrlandoMagicGuy;14634021] and that last FMVP that he won his teammate AD had to blatantly hold back so he could win the award.[/QUOTE]
Damn. To have the power and influence to get a teammate to do that? It's better than winning the award outright. Impressive. Very nice.
[QUOTE=FKAri;14634024]Damn. To have the power and influence to get a teammate to do that? It's better than winning the award outright. Impressive. Very nice.[/QUOTE]
Yeah especially when that very teammate is a fan of that player and refuses to be a true leader.
[QUOTE=OrlandoMagicGuy;14634021]4 rings that LeFraud [Size=5][B]bought[/Size][/B] he didn't win those organically and that last FMVP that he won his teammate AD had to blatantly hold back so he could win the award.
Kobe got his 2 chips out the mud,beat the Big 3 Celitics and a Magic team that LeFraud couldn't overcome even with HCA.
Dwight Howard
Rashard Lewis
Hedo Turkoglu
Jameer Nelson
Rafer Alston
Courtney Lee
JJ Redick
Mickael Pietrus[/QUOTE]
2016 ring >>>>> Kobe's 2 combined.
[QUOTE=OrlandoMagicGuy;14634021]4 rings that LeFraud [Size=5][B]bought[/Size][/B] he didn't win those organically and that last FMVP that he won his teammate AD had to blatantly hold back so he could win the award.
Kobe got his 2 chips out the mud,beat the Big 3 Celitics and a Magic team that LeFraud couldn't overcome even with HCA.
Dwight Howard
Rashard Lewis
Hedo Turkoglu
Jameer Nelson
Rafer Alston
Courtney Lee
JJ Redick
Mickael Pietrus[/QUOTE]
Where are my cheese burger and fries??
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14634045]2016 ring >>>>> Kobe's 2 combined.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's 2 combined w/ Gasol as 2nd option >>>>> 2016 manufactured ring w/ Kyrie as 2nd option
[QUOTE=OrlandoMagicGuy;14634066]Kobe's 2 combined w/ Gasol as 2nd option >>>>> 2016 manufactured ring w/ Kyrie as 2nd option[/QUOTE]
Maybe if they played the same teams.
[QUOTE=OrlandoMagicGuy;14634066]Kobe's 2 combined w/ Gasol as 2nd option >>>>> 2016 manufactured ring w/ Kyrie as 2nd option[/QUOTE]
Yep. KB carried that '09 squad offensively, Bran and Kyrie were both essentially #1 options on that team in that PO run as Bran averaged 26 and Kyrie put up 25 a game.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14634080]Maybe if they played the same teams.[/QUOTE]
Kobe killed the Spurs on more than one occasion during the playoffs.LeBron on the other hand didn't come close to defeating them in 07 Finals,was afraid to take wide open jumpers and got bailed out by Ray in 13 Finals,had cramps and decided to stat pad in 14 Finals.Let's also not forget all the other teams Kobe had to go through in the wild wild west.
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14634055]Where are my cheese burger and fries??[/QUOTE]
With just a click of a button you can make a McDonald's cheeseburger and fries in confines of your own home (or your parent's)
[Video=youtube;ETTyVQrUZt8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETTyVQrUZt8[/video]
[Video=youtube;SvOx7tA_Cv8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvOx7tA_Cv8[/video]
[QUOTE=OrlandoMagicGuy;14634167][B]Kobe killed the Spurs on more than one occasion during the playoffs.LeBron on the other hand didn't come close to defeating them in 07 Finals,was afraid to take wide open jumpers and got bailed out by Ray in 13 Finals,had cramps and decided to stat pad in 14 Finals.Let's also not forget all the other teams Kobe had to go through in the wild wild west.
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With just a click of a button you can make a McDonald's cheeseburger and fries in confines of your own home (or your parent's)
[Video=youtube;ETTyVQrUZt8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETTyVQrUZt8[/video]
[Video=youtube;SvOx7tA_Cv8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvOx7tA_Cv8[/video][/QUOTE]
Completely irrelevant to the “conversation”. I’m sure it made you feel great though so go for it :cheers:
As much as I like Kobe, I'll have to say Lebron is overall better.
Kobe had Shaq.
When Kobe didn't have Shaq, he couldn't win until he got a better team around him. He threatened to go to Chicago if the team didn't get better.
LeBron had Dwade(past his prime) and won rings versus the mighty Spurs who hadn't loss a Finals.
LeBron had a headcase named Kyrie that no other player or team could make work and beat one of the best teams in NBA history the 73 win Warriors(the best regular season record in NBA history).
Lebron also won a chip for his hometown as he promised he would. He delivered the goods.
And when everyone was crying over the death of Kobe Bryant himself, LeBron promised to bring a championship to the Lakers in honor of Kobe. Again... he delivered the goods.
Say what you want about Lebron James. One can hate him, like him, or love him. No matter the emotion, you must respect what he has accomplished in the league. He truly embodies what it means to be one of the greatest of all time and will go down as one of the best to ever do it if not the best. I still got Jordan ahead of Lebron but only slightly. Lebron still could top Jordan if he wins more, etc.
How many mvps does kobe have?
[QUOTE=TheMan;14599513]Kobe is winning this poll considering that most of LeBron votes are basically coming from like 3 trolls.[/QUOTE]
kobe is actually getting smoked in a landslide in this poll if we consider the fact that it was created when kobe had 2 finals MVPs and lebron had 3.
lebron now has 4 finals MVPs - literally double what kobe had - and now has 3 MVPs more than kobe plus every single other record in the record book including the only finals MVP over a 70+win team in NBA history.
this debate was over in 2013 and now it is just pointless. kobe himself would grudgingly say lebron had a better career.
This debate ended years ago, I don't know why OP keeps bumping this thread.
[QUOTE=red1;14634191]kobe is actually getting smoked in a landslide in this poll if we consider the fact that it was created when kobe had 2 finals MVPs and lebron had 3.
lebron now has 4 finals MVPs - literally double what kobe had - and now has 3 MVPs more than kobe plus every single other record in the record book including the only finals MVP over a 70+win team in NBA history.
this debate was over in 2013 and now it is just pointless. kobe himself would grudgingly say lebron had a better career.[/QUOTE]
The debate was over in 2013 when Bran had 2 rings and won a title averaging 26 ppg with 25 ppg on mediocre efficiency in the Finals w/Spurs gifting him a ring? Keep exposing yourself.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634200]The debate was over in 2013 when Bran had 2 rings and won a title averaging 26 ppg with 25 ppg on mediocre efficiency in the Finals w/Spurs gifting him a ring? Keep exposing yourself.[/QUOTE]
You're mentally retarded if you think otherwise. I said it then and Steve Kerr all these years later actually agrees with me. To a tee.
Steve Kerr won multiple rings with jordan. Just an FYI.
[QUOTE=red1;14634204]You're mentally retarded if you think otherwise. I said it then and Steve Kerr all these years later actually agrees with me. To a tee.
Steve Kerr won multiple rings with jordan. Just an FYI.[/QUOTE]
Ok, and you're going to disregard Kobe's all-time position or his impact despite Shaq, Magic, West etc all claiming otherwise. I can give you Lebron himself putting Kobe over him at his supposed peak ('09) but you'd never put Kobe over Bran that year, right?
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634200]The debate was over in 2013 when Bran had 2 rings and won a title averaging 26 ppg with 25 ppg on mediocre efficiency in the Finals w/Spurs gifting him a ring? Keep exposing yourself.[/QUOTE]
rest in piss bitch :oldlol:
[url]https://youtu.be/7MG8wjJNdf4?t=62[/url]
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634206]Ok, and you're going to disregard Kobe's all-time position or his impact despite Shaq, Magic, West etc all claiming otherwise. I can give you Lebron himself putting Kobe over him at his supposed peak ('09) but you'd never put Kobe over Bran that year, right?[/QUOTE]
dude. just stop.
I dont even know what you're aiming at. lebron was better than kobe in 2009 but I have no problem saying kobe had the better year.
[QUOTE=red1;14634215]dude. just stop.
I dont even know what you're aiming at. lebron was better than kobe in 2009 but I have no problem saying kobe had the better year.[/QUOTE]
Except he wasn't and Bran himself admitted that. :kobe:
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634223]Except he wasn't and Bran himself admitted that. :kobe:[/QUOTE]
how come steve kerr said lebron was already top-5 after two rings? (and 4 MVPs, and being the best player of all-time for every age group up to that point....)?
why were you even surprised when I posted such an obvious fact?
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634200][B]The debate was over in 2013 when Bran had 2 rings and won a title averaging 26 ppg with 25 ppg on mediocre efficiency in the Finals w/Spurs gifting him a ring?[/B] Keep exposing yourself.[/QUOTE]
thats [B]exactly[/B] what I'm saying.
[url]https://youtu.be/7MG8wjJNdf4?t=62[/url]
[QUOTE=red1;14634227]how come steve kerr said lebron was already top-5 after two rings? (and 4 MVPs, and being the best player of all-time for every age group up to that point....)?
why were you even surprised when I posted such an obvious fact?[/QUOTE]
He didn't, that quote you posted is from 2018 :kobe: . We've seen players like Morant light GS small-ball lineups for 47 in the POs. Ja averaged 38 ppg against GS and he couldn't even finish his last game.. Luka put up 32/9/6 and most of y'all thought he underachieved, Warriors aren't that great on D if we're keeping it real.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634240]He didn't, that quote you posted is from 2018 :kobe: . We've seen players like Morant light GS small-ball lineups for 47 in the POs. Ja averaged 38 ppg against GS and he couldn't even finish his last game.. Luka put up 32/9/6 and most of y'all thought he underachieved, Warriors aren't that great on D if we're keeping it real.[/QUOTE]
he said that after beating the cavs 2 years in a row... said lebron was already top-5 after 2013... watch the video again you moron...
he had every reason to praise kd or curry after his own stars won 2 rings in a row... but he went ahead and said lebron is the GOAT...
yeah I'd believe him... he only has 9 rings between the bulls, spurs and warriors....
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14634240]He didn't, that quote you posted is from 2018 :kobe: . We've seen players like Morant light GS small-ball lineups for 47 in the POs. Ja averaged 38 ppg against GS and he couldn't even finish his last game.. Luka put up 32/9/6 and most of y'all thought he underachieved, Warriors aren't that great on D if we're keeping it real.[/QUOTE]
lol, Kerr said in the vid which takes place in 2018 that 5 years ago he had him as a top 5 player ever (2013).
I think he is referring to peak play. By 2012, pretty much everyone would agree that LeBron reached a level Kobe NEVER did.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14634258]lol, Kerr said in the vid which takes place in 2018 that 5 years ago he had him as a top 5 player ever (2013).
I think he is referring to peak play. By 2012, pretty much everyone would agree that LeBron reached a level Kobe NEVER did.[/QUOTE]
its undeniable.
we already forget - lebron and kd were setting all-time efficiency records in 2013 and 2014.
lebron for all 4 of his MVP seasons was already better than kobe ever was (2009,2010,2012,2013)
lebron in any of these 4 seasons is undoubtedly better than any version of kobe.
[QUOTE=red1;14634191]kobe is actually getting smoked in a landslide in this poll if we consider the fact that it was created when kobe had 2 finals MVPs and lebron had 3.
lebron now has 4 finals MVPs - literally double what kobe had - and now has 3 MVPs more than kobe plus every single other record in the record book including the only finals MVP over a 70+win team in NBA history.
this debate was over in 2013 and now it is just pointless. kobe himself would grudgingly say lebron had a better career.[/QUOTE]
Jennie Buss already said Kobe was better than Lebron.
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14634330][B]Jennie Buss[/B] already said Kobe was better than Lebron.[/QUOTE]
dunno who that is.
[QUOTE=red1;14634336]dunno who that is.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanie_Buss[/url]
[QUOTE=OrlandoMagicGuy;14634016]Kobe [Size=5][B]three-peated[/Size][/B] playing next to Shaq and then went and got 2 more chips [Size=5][B]out the mud[/Size][/B] as the #1 guy without Shaq.
You mean to tell me with all this help LeFraud acquired throughout his career while jumping from team to team he still hasn't three-peated?
Kobe > LeBron[/QUOTE]
This!
Lebron hasn’t even won a playoff series with the lakers when fans were around. He can’t handle the pressure like Kobe could.
[QUOTE=red1;14634336]dunno who that is.[/QUOTE]
It's Jenny Buss from the block whose phone number was 867-5309
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;13810767]Both better than Duncan
[IMG]https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The next year Duncan would come back and pistol whip LeBron so hard he gave him the biggest margin of NBA finals loss EVER.
Kobe was a more special player I’d say.
Nobody in basketball history had more moves and overall basketball skill than Kobe Bryant. He absorbed more basketball than anyone. Aside from a few years in the beginning of his career, he was not an athletic marvel. He was completely fearless on the court and never held back.
It’s like what Dwyane Wade said, Kobe was a master of the game.
Lebron is the most physically gifted player ever and probably ranks higher overall.
But one on one, I am taking Kobe Bryant over Lebron James.
Lebron is bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic …. But he is not as diehard of a competitor as Kobe … I’m sure we all have played with guys who were probably better overall than other players but there’s always that one guy who is a monster on the court in terms of intangibles, desire and will to win and dominate. And the latter player will always command more respect than the former.
[QUOTE=bullettooth;14644505]The next year Duncan would come back and pistol whip LeBron so hard he gave him the biggest margin of NBA finals loss EVER.[/QUOTE]
And make him switch teams again.
[QUOTE=HighFlyer23;14644684]Kobe was a more special player I’d say.
Nobody in basketball history had more moves and overall basketball skill than Kobe Bryant. He absorbed more basketball than anyone. Aside from a few years in the beginning of his career, he was not an athletic marvel. He was completely fearless on the court and never held back.
It’s like what Dwyane Wade said, Kobe was a master of the game.
Lebron is the most physically gifted player ever and probably ranks higher overall.
But one on one, I am taking Kobe Bryant over Lebron James.
Lebron is bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic …. But he is not as diehard of a competitor as Kobe … I’m sure we all have played with guys who were probably better overall than other players but there’s always that one guy who is a monster on the court in terms of intangibles, desire and will to win and dominate. And the latter player will always command more respect than the former.[/QUOTE]
Devin Booker a lesser version of Kobe broke Lebron what do you think would have done to him?
LeBron is universally considered a top 2 all time player. Kobe is not in that conversation.
[QUOTE=bullettooth;14644505]The next year Duncan would come back and pistol whip LeBron so hard he gave him the biggest margin of NBA finals loss EVER.[/QUOTE]
Bron was still excellent in those finals. There was no issue with him. The issue was Wade's knee and that he was burnt out and Bosh was Bosh. Bosh would be out of the league just two seasons later.
So it was basically LeBron vs the Spurs again just like in 2007.
Check out the PER leaders for the 2014 finals:
[B]1 LeBron James - 32.6[/B]
2 Patty Mills - 28.4
3 Kawhi Leonard - 25.2
4 Tiago Splitter - 20.1
5 Manu Ginobili - 20.0
6 Tim Duncan - 19.9
7 Danny Green - 19.1
8 Chris Bosh - 16.2
9 Tony Parker - 15.9
10 Rashard Lewis - 13.7
11 Marco Belinelli - 12.9
12 Boris Diaw - 12.3
13 Ray Allen - 12.2
[B]14 Dwyane Wade - 11.7[/B]
15 Chris Andersen - 6.7
16 Mario Chalmers - 5.0
17 Norris Cole - 3.4
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;13810767]Both better than Duncan
[IMG]https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
2013 finals broke lots of fans.
[QUOTE=light;14647234]Bron was still excellent in those finals. There was no issue with him. The issue was Wade's knee and that he was burnt out and Bosh was Bosh. Bosh would be out of the league just two seasons later.
So it was basically LeBron vs the Spurs again just like in 2007.
Check out the PER leaders for the 2014 finals:
[B]1 LeBron James - 32.6[/B]
2 Patty Mills - 28.4
3 Kawhi Leonard - 25.2
4 Tiago Splitter - 20.1
5 Manu Ginobili - 20.0
6 Tim Duncan - 19.9
7 Danny Green - 19.1
8 Chris Bosh - 16.2
9 Tony Parker - 15.9
10 Rashard Lewis - 13.7
11 Marco Belinelli - 12.9
12 Boris Diaw - 12.3
13 Ray Allen - 12.2
[B]14 Dwyane Wade - 11.7[/B]
15 Chris Andersen - 6.7
16 Mario Chalmers - 5.0
17 Norris Cole - 3.4[/QUOTE]
There is a price to pay physically for going to 4 straight finals.
Bron went to 8. GOAT shit.
[QUOTE=light;14647234]Bron was still excellent in those finals. There was no issue with him. The issue was Wade's knee and that he was burnt out and Bosh was Bosh. Bosh would be out of the league just two seasons later.
So it was basically LeBron vs the Spurs again just like in 2007.
Check out the PER leaders for the 2014 finals:
[B]1 LeBron James - 32.6[/B]
2 Patty Mills - 28.4
3 Kawhi Leonard - 25.2
4 Tiago Splitter - 20.1
5 Manu Ginobili - 20.0
6 Tim Duncan - 19.9
7 Danny Green - 19.1
8 Chris Bosh - 16.2
9 Tony Parker - 15.9
10 Rashard Lewis - 13.7
11 Marco Belinelli - 12.9
12 Boris Diaw - 12.3
13 Ray Allen - 12.2
[B]14 Dwyane Wade - 11.7[/B]
15 Chris Andersen - 6.7
16 Mario Chalmers - 5.0
17 Norris Cole - 3.4[/QUOTE]
LeDAMN.
As a huge Lebron stan it pains me to say that Kobe is miles ahead of Lebron on the all time list, but I must give respect where it’s due. It what Lebron would want :applause: