AD is shedding light on Kareem's career & ranking, imo (new all-time rankings inside)

[QUOTE=3ball;14177300]I must confess...

this was originally a troll thread masked in truth, for the purpose of taking down Kareem, who people were calling the goat at the time on ISH

It basically backfired because even though I understand the "birdfed" narrative purported itt, my actual stance is the opposite.. guys who finish possessions control the game the most..

lebron and magic need these great iso scorers that can finish possessions like Kareem, Wade, Kyrie, Worthy or AD - elite 1st option juggernaut scorers... lebron/magic need guys to FINISH possessions.. I made a thread about their need:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486993-Magic-amp-Lebron-are-quot-pippens-quot-because-they-must-feed-finishers-like-AD-Kareem[/url]

Otoh, Jordan was the finisher for the Bulls - he was the juggernaut scorer and also the leading assist guy[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14177584][IMG]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OpulentFrailFireant-max-1mb.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

For coming clean and telling the truth?

I should be commended.. citizen of the year on ish.. :applause:

[QUOTE=3ball;14177300]I must confess...

this was originally a troll thread masked in truth, for the purpose of taking down Kareem, who people were calling the goat at the time on ISH

It basically backfired because even though I understand the "birdfed" narrative purported itt, my actual stance is the opposite.. guys who finish possessions control the game the most..

lebron and magic need these great iso scorers that can finish possessions like Kareem, Wade, Kyrie, Worthy or AD - elite 1st option juggernaut scorers... lebron/magic need guys to FINISH possessions.. I made a thread about their need:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486993-Magic-amp-Lebron-are-quot-pippens-quot-because-they-must-feed-finishers-like-AD-Kareem[/url]

Otoh, Jordan was the finisher for the Bulls - he was the juggernaut scorer and also the leading assist guy[/QUOTE]

Yes it was a troll thread just like all your LeBron threads are troll threads. And you think the actual opposite about LeBron.

LeBron wins again. :applause:

[QUOTE=3ball;14154888]Pippen had Paul George-like numbers - around 20/7/5 on spotty efficiency

That isn't dominating

Then he pulls his migraine crap and [B]disappears for the last 2 games, just like the 89' ECF[/B], 90' ECF, 92' ECSF, 96' Finals, and 97' ECF[/QUOTE]
Where was MJ in game 5 of that 89' ECF?? Down by 1, going into the 4th quarter and he still refuses to give an effort in the biggest game in franchise history.


:cry: "Collins told me to share the ball" :cry:

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14177662]Where was MJ in game 5 of that 89' ECF?? Down by 1, going into the 4th quarter and he still refuses to give an effort in the biggest game in franchise history.


:cry: "Collins told me to share the ball" :cry:[/QUOTE]

He got 23 points but pippen basically missed the game and averaged 10 on 40% for the series.. so MJ would've won with anyone OTHER than pippen

FMVP and Piston-killer Worthy would've beaten the Pistons alongside MJ from 88-91'.. pippen simply won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery

[QUOTE=3ball;13885689]Both AD and Kareem needed super-point guards like Oscar, Magic, and now Lebron to find synergies and have a great team.

Without these guys bird-feeding them, they're losers.

I mentioned last year that AD's teams are only as good as the guys getting him the ball, which explains his weak teams in previous years (I like Jrue Holiday, but there's a lot of teams with ballhandlers that compare or exceed him, hence AD's underwhelming teams in previous years)
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lol

[QUOTE=3ball;14177300]I must confess...

this was originally a troll thread masked in truth, for the purpose of taking down Kareem, who people were calling the goat at the time on ISH

It basically backfired because even though I understand the "birdfed" narrative purported itt, my actual stance is the opposite.. guys who finish possessions control the game the most..

lebron and magic need these great iso scorers that can finish possessions like Kareem, Wade, Kyrie, Worthy or AD - elite 1st option juggernaut scorers... lebron/magic need guys to FINISH possessions.. I made a thread about their need:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486993-Magic-amp-Lebron-are-quot-pippens-quot-because-they-must-feed-finishers-like-AD-Kareem[/url]

Otoh, Jordan was the finisher for the Bulls - he was the juggernaut scorer and also the leading assist guy[/QUOTE]

Let him eat this confession for all time. 100% troll. Doesn't believe a word he himself says.

[QUOTE=3ball;14178118]He got 23 points but pippen basically missed the game and averaged 10 on 40% for the series.. so MJ would've won with anyone OTHER than pippen

FMVP and Piston-killer Worthy would've beaten the Pistons alongside MJ from 88-91'.. pippen simply won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery[/QUOTE]
More lies.

MJ had 18pts in which 10 came from FTA.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14182250]More lies.

MJ had 18pts in which 10 came from FTA.[/QUOTE]

:lol

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14182250]More lies.

MJ had 18pts in which 10 came from FTA.[/QUOTE]

Better than 8 points or 6 points like lebron had many times

Lebron's lows are [U]far[/U] lower than Jordan's... You can't seem to understand that

[QUOTE=3ball;14182525]Better than 8 points or 6 points like lebron had many times

Lebron's lows are [U]far[/U] lower than Jordan's... You can't seem to understand that[/QUOTE]

So you admit you lied?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14182542]So you admit you lied?[/QUOTE]

I don't lie on here because the facts show mj is the goat

Before the "decision", lebron was just like Dwight, Iverson or Kidd with 1 Finals run in a weak conference

So Lebron never did anything special without multiple star teammates, or a teammate that outscores him (AD) - the star teammates elevate lebron to the championship just like he does them

And yes, Jordan had pippen.... But pippen is less than 2 stars or AD

[QUOTE=3ball;14178118][B]He got 23 points[/B] but pippen basically missed the game and averaged 10 on 40% for the series.. so MJ would've won with anyone OTHER than pippen

FMVP and Piston-killer Worthy would've beaten the Pistons alongside MJ from 88-91'.. pippen simply won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=3ball;14182547]I don't lie on here because the facts show mj is the goat[/QUOTE]

You lied, he had 18 points. Pathetic.

All that proves is LeBron is the GOAT and you have to resort to lying.

[QUOTE=3ball;14177300]I must confess...

this was originally a troll thread masked in truth, for the purpose of taking down Kareem, who people were calling the goat at the time on ISH

It basically backfired because even though I understand the "birdfed" narrative purported itt, my actual stance is the opposite.. guys who finish possessions control the game the most..

lebron and magic need these great iso scorers that can finish possessions like Kareem, Wade, Kyrie, Worthy or AD - elite 1st option juggernaut scorers... lebron/magic need guys to FINISH possessions.. I made a thread about their need:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486993-Magic-amp-Lebron-are-quot-pippens-quot-because-they-must-feed-finishers-like-AD-Kareem[/url]

Otoh, Jordan was the finisher for the Bulls - he was the juggernaut scorer and also the leading assist guy[/QUOTE]

:roll::roll::roll::roll:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14182542]So you admit you lied?[/QUOTE]

He's pathetic.

lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14182542]So you admit you lied?[/QUOTE]

Body bagged

:dancin

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14182542]So you admit you lied?[/QUOTE]

It was by memory

I don't need to lie because the facts and historical record show he's goat by far..no one is close

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[B]Thread Cliffs (revised enlightenment)[/B]


Lebron was a loser without a "Jordan" - an elite 1st option and equal-scoring partner to close possessions (closer)

Closers > bird-feeders (guys that bring the ball up)

Lebron/Magic are "pippens" that need a "Jordan" (closer)

[QUOTE=Shooter;14189306]Body bagged

:dancin[/QUOTE]

:pimp:

[QUOTE=3ball;14177300]I must confess...

this was originally a troll thread[/QUOTE]

Like all your threads.

[QUOTE=3ball;13885689]Both AD and Kareem needed super-point guards like Oscar, Magic, and now Lebron to find synergies and have a great team.

Without these guys bird-feeding them, they're losers.

I mentioned last year that AD's teams are only as good as the guys getting him the ball, which explains his weak teams in previous years (I like Jrue Holiday, but there's a lot of teams with ballhandlers that compare or exceed him, hence AD's underwhelming teams in previous years)

But now AD has his Magic; he has his Oscar, just like Kareem did.. A ring is automatic barring injuries..

But this sheds light on the historical rankings - given this apparent dynamic (that AD and Kareem's teams are only as good as the guys getting them the ball), Kareem should certainly rank below Magic, and historic PG's like Magic and Oscar are more valuable than any big man not named Wilt or Shaq, whose physical dominance controlled games.

However, even though historic PG's have good teams without a dominant big man, they still seem to need an all-time big man to win a championship, while 2-way assassin-style players with scoring versatility, aka MJ, Kobe and even Kawhi seem immune from this need.

So to me, 2-way assassins with scoring versatility (MJ, Kobe) are the goats because they seemed to need the least help... So they're in the top 3 for me.. the historic PG's are next in line, with goat physical forces Wilt and Shaq coming next.. Kareem comes AFTER all these guys, and ahead of team-hoppers/super-team seekers Durant and Lebron..


1) MJ
2) Bird
3) Kobe
4) Magic
5) Wilt
6) Shaq
7) Kareem
8) Duncan (seriously considering Duncan over Kareem)
9) Russell
10) Oscar
11) Lebron
12) Dr. J
13) Durant


Something like that.. If Kawhi wins a couple rings with the Clippers, he would easily be top 10 because he fits the optimal player type of "2-way assassin with scoring versatility"

And you might be wondering how I have Bird #2 as a 2-way assassin... I think his defense is vastly underrated and he actually was a 2-way assassin.. Celtics had the #1 defense with Bird and his savvy/next-level basketball brain/instinct
.[/QUOTE]

3ball spoke some truth here. Said AD needed to be bird fed. He was right.

Said a championship was automatic barring injury. He was right.

Except the ranking. LeBron is #1 obviously.


AD needs to be bird fed and desperately needs LeBron right now. 1-3 since having 9 weeks off for rest.

3baLLLLLLLLLLLL told us davis is birdfed by bran


we win again :hammertime:

[quote]Both AD and Kareem needed super-point guards like Oscar, Magic, and now Lebron to find synergies and have a great team.

Without these guys bird-feeding them, they're losers.

I mentioned last year that AD's teams are only as good as the guys getting him the ball, which explains his weak teams in previous years (I like Jrue Holiday, but there's a lot of teams with ballhandlers that compare or exceed him, hence AD's underwhelming teams in previous years)

But now AD has his Magic; he has his Oscar, just like Kareem did.. A ring is automatic barring injuries..

But this sheds light on the historical rankings - given this apparent dynamic (that AD and Kareem's teams are only as good as the guys getting them the ball), Kareem should certainly rank below Magic, and historic PG's like Magic and Oscar are more valuable than any big man not named Wilt or Shaq, whose physical dominance controlled games.

However, even though historic PG's have good teams without a dominant big man, they still seem to need an all-time big man to win a championship, while 2-way assassin-style players with scoring versatility, aka MJ, Kobe and even Kawhi seem immune from this need.[/quote]

Man every sentence cuts so deep right now without LeBron.

3ball had a moment of clarity and delivered truth serum!

Bruce...

Bad take op lmfao