Put DeMar DeRozan with the 1993-94 Chicago Bulls?

[QUOTE=JohnMax;14538629][url]https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1493424878837374976[/url]

DeMar DeRozan last 6 games:

40 PTS | 67 FG%
38 PTS | 50 FG%
35 PTS | 64 FG%
36 PTS | 68 FG%
38 PTS | 59 FG%
45 PTS | 60 FG%

That’s the longest streak of 35-point games on 50% shooting in Bulls history. MJ never did it.[/QUOTE]


[B]Nikola Vucevic last 8 games

[Url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01/gamelog/2022#712-719-sum:pgl_basic]25/12/4 on 59%[/url][/B]


[SIZE=3]^^^^ [U]far[/U] better than peak Pippen

So DeRozan had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention and therefore never defeated maximum defensive attention/burden like MJ

Only MJ faced maximum defensive attention for his entire career by having to carry the scoring load at all times (carry-job), while everyone else in history had periods without facing max defensive attention (equal-scoring partners), which boosts efficiency and lightens the load/burden[/SIZE].

[QUOTE=JohnMax;14538629][url]https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1493424878837374976[/url]

DeMar DeRozan last 6 games:

40 PTS | 67 FG%
38 PTS | 50 FG%
35 PTS | 64 FG%
36 PTS | 68 FG%
38 PTS | 59 FG%
45 PTS | 60 FG%

That’s the longest streak of 35-point games on 50% shooting in Bulls history. MJ never did it.[/QUOTE]

GOAT Bulls shooting guard

[QUOTE=JohnMax;14538629][url]https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1493424878837374976[/url]

DeMar DeRozan last 6 games:

40 PTS | 67 FG%
38 PTS | 50 FG%
35 PTS | 64 FG%
36 PTS | 68 FG%
38 PTS | 59 FG%
45 PTS | 60 FG%

That’s the longest streak of 35-point games on 50% shooting in Bulls history. MJ never did it.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

Lordan

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn;14538916]:roll:

Lordan[/QUOTE]

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They could have won with Pete Myers but for the Hue Hollins phantom foul call. Championship lock with DeRozan, who would be the 2nd or 3rd best SG in the league in 94' after Drexler and maybe Richmond.

Why are people overrating DeMar all of a sudden?

He is a borderline HOF at best (unlike James Harden who is a guaranteed first ballot HOF).

If DeMar is so great, how come he has never made the All-NBA First Team? Unlike Harden, who has 6 All-NBA First Team selections.

[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14539336]Why are people overrating DeMar all of a sudden?

He is a borderline HOF at best (unlike James Harden who is a guaranteed first ballot HOF).
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DeRozan is in a more stacked era for guards so he got lost in the shuffle. If he played in the 90s he would have gotten more notice. He is a better player than Reggie Miller was and look at how Miller is perceived. Miller never made a second team all-NBA, never was a MVP candidate. DeMar has done both (MVP candidate this year) and already has as many all-star selections as Miller did his entire career.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14539340]DeRozan is in a more stacked era for guards so he got lost in the shuffle. If he played in the 90s he would have gotten more notice. He is a better player than Reggie Miller was and look at how Miller is perceived. Miller never made a second team all-NBA, never was a MVP candidate. DeMar has done both (MVP candidate this year) and already has as many all-star selections as Miller did his entire career.[/QUOTE]

He is better than Miller for sure.

Miller is one of the most overrated players of all time.

[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14539349]He is better than Miller for sure.

Miller is one of the most overrated players of all time.[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

[quote=roundball_rock;14539327]they could have won with pete myers but for the hue hollins phantom foul call. Championship lock with derozan, who would be the 2nd or 3rd best sg in the league in 94' after drexler and maybe richmond.[/quote]

heeeeeeesssss bbbbaaaaaaaccckkk!!!!!!!

DeRozan and many other players that aren't even as good as DeRozan would be 1st option over Pippen, which confirms that Pippen isn't top 75 - Pippen's stats and performance confirm that he's an Iggy-level player that was inflated to top 30 by the winning spotlight, while also reaching his ceiling alongside the most fundamentally-sound scorer of all-time - a guy that could get scoring champ amounts within a championship brand (unprecedented) that didn't allow ball-dominance/live dribbles, with the lowest turnover rate of anyone that matters.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14539499]DeRozan and many other players that aren't even as good as DeRozan would be 1st option over Pippen, which confirms that Pippen isn't top 75 - Pippen's stats and performance confirm that he's an Iggy-level player that was inflated to top 30 by the winning spotlight, while also reaching his ceiling alongside the most fundamentally-sound scorer of all-time - a guy that could get scoring champ amounts within a championship brand (unprecedented) that didn't allow ball-dominance/live dribbles, with the lowest turnover rate of anyone that matters.[/QUOTE]

For you to be so enamored with stats. You surely should feel Lebron is the GOAT. You can't make a stats argument for Jordan over James.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14539516]For you to be so enamored with stats. You surely should feel Lebron is the GOAT. You can't make a stats argument for Jordan over James.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you absolutely can.

[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14539518]Yes, you absolutely can.[/QUOTE]

Please do

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14539516]For you to be so enamored with stats. You surely should feel Lebron is the GOAT. You can't make a stats argument for Jordan over James.[/QUOTE]


Jordan has the goat production rate - PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, usage

And the goat plus/minus and latest [url=https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif]Raptor[/url]

Every new stat that gets invented shows MJ as goat

Jordan also averaged 6 more points per 100 possessions than anyone in playoff history with better efficiency on those possessions (ortg) than anyone that matters.

Everyone in history needed teammates to match or exceed their scoring for entire playoff runs, while MJ led every SERIES by at least 10 ppg (edit: there were 2 series where MJ averaged 4 and 8 more than sidekick).. [I]This matters[/I] because equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so everyone had periods without facing maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who always defeated maximum defensive attention (always carried scoring load)

[QUOTE=3ba11;14539521]Jordan has the goat production rate - PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, usage

And the goat plus/minus and latest [url=https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif]Raptor[/url]

Every new stat that gets invented shows MJ as goat

Jordan also averaged 6 more points per 100 possessions than anyone in playoff history with better efficiency on those possessions (ortg) than anyone that matters.

Everyone in history needed teammates to match or exceed their scoring for entire playoff runs, while MJ led every SERIES by at least 10 ppg (edit: there were 2 series where MJ averaged 4 and 8 more than sidekick).. Equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so everyone had periods without facing maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who always defeated maximum defensive attention (always carried scoring load)[/QUOTE]

All you did was cherrypick the stats Jordan leads in. Lol. Don't do that. Take everything in to consideration. Be it advanced, per game averages, and totals.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14539524]All you did was cherrypick the stats Jordan leads in. Lol. Don't do that. Take everything in to consideration. Be it advanced, per game averages, and totals.[/QUOTE]


Jordan leads all the advanced stats, plus/minus or per game, as my previous post showed

Lebron only has longevity (playing at a lower level for longer)

And again - everyone in history needed teammates to match or exceed their scoring for entire playoff runs, while MJ led every SERIES by at least 10 ppg.. [U]This matters[/U] because equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so everyone had periods without facing maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is [i]inflated stats compared to Jordan[/i], who always defeated maximum defensive attention (always carried scoring load)

[QUOTE=3ba11;14539525]Jordan leads all the advanced stats, plus/minus or per game, as my previous post showed

Lebron only has longevity (playing at a lower level for longer)

And again - everyone in history needed teammates to match or exceed their scoring for entire playoff runs, while MJ led every SERIES by at least 10 ppg.. [U]This matters[/U] because equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so everyone had periods without facing maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is [U]inflated stats compared to Jordan[/U], who always defeated maximum defensive attention (always carried scoring load)[/QUOTE]

So all you did, was reiterate your cherrypicked stats bro.

[QUOTE=JohnMax;14538629][url]https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1493424878837374976[/url]

DeMar DeRozan last 6 games:

40 PTS | 67 FG%
38 PTS | 50 FG%
35 PTS | 64 FG%
36 PTS | 68 FG%
38 PTS | 59 FG%
45 PTS | 60 FG%

That’s the longest streak of 35-point games on 50% shooting in Bulls history. MJ never did it.[/QUOTE]

:lol

DeMar DeJordan

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14539490]heeeeeeesssss bbbbaaaaaaaccckkk!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
:roll:

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Putting a modern professional athlete into the stone ages that was the NBA in 1994 would have a gargantuan impact on the timeline. He'd be on the $20 bill, the city would be renamed to Demarville and a 2000 ft. replica of the Colossus of Rhodes with his face would tower over the Chicago harbor. Instead of Obama, Demar would have been the senator out of Chicago and indeed the first black president. Consequently, no drone strikes and his insightful policies would convince the aliens to make peaceful contact 7 centuries earlier than planned. Humanity would be ready to take the next step into the great beyond with Lord Demar at the helm.

[QUOTE=FKAri;14579426]Putting a modern professional athlete into the stone ages that was the NBA in 1994 would have a gargantuan impact on the timeline. He'd be on the $20 bill, the city would be renamed to Demarville and a 2000 ft. replica of the Colossus of Rhodes with his face would tower over the Chicago harbor. Instead of Obama, Demar would have been the senator out of Chicago and indeed the first black president. Consequently, no drone strikes and his insightful policies would convince the aliens to make peaceful contact 7 centuries earlier than planned. Humanity would be ready to take the next step into the great beyond with Lord Demar at the helm.[/QUOTE]

We have slow white Europeans now win league mvp and never won gold medal either for country.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14579431]We have slow white Europeans now win league mvp and never won gold medal either for country.[/QUOTE]

You mean Jokic? Hey isn't that the guy that uppercutted Kawhy on the chin with his dicc and put him on the IL?

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14539528]So all you did, was reiterate your cherrypicked stats bro.[/QUOTE]

It would be nice if you actually provided proper rebuttals to his arguments.

Championship.

[QUOTE=Baller789;14579504]It would be nice if you actually provided proper rebuttals to his arguments.[/QUOTE]

Going back and looking, I actually meant can you make a stats argument for James over Jordan. Because all 3ball did, was pick the stats that favored MJ. A Lebron James fan could do the same thing.

[QUOTE=FKAri;14579437]You mean Jokic? Hey isn't that the guy that uppercutted Kawhy on the chin with his dicc and put him on the IL?[/QUOTE]

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As you can see, regular season is meaningless, aka 94' Sonics, 07' Mavs, 09' Cavs, 16' Warriors, to name a few

The 94' Bulls won 55 (an extremely common achievement) with a 22 ppg system player and then a rebounder at 2nd option, so they didn't win based on talent - they won based on 3-peat chemistry and dynasty brand of ball.. .

But after the honeymoon period of low expectations was over in the 94' Playoffs, the REAL bulls without MJ were lottery in 95' before MJ lifted them to 3-peat again

[QUOTE=3ba11;14579775]As you can see, regular season is meaningless, aka 94' Sonics, 07' Mavs, 09' Cavs, 16' Warriors, to name a few

The 94' Bulls won 55 (an extremely common achievement) with a 22 ppg system player and then a rebounder at 2nd option, so they didn't win based on talent - they won based on 3-peat chemistry and dynasty brand of ball.. .

But after the honeymoon period of low expectations was over in the 94' Playoffs, the REAL bulls without MJ were lottery in 95' before MJ lifted them to 3-peat again[/QUOTE]

Horace Grant left Chicago for the 95 season. Had he stayed, the Bulls would have won 50+ again. You act like the 95 team wasn't missing a key member of the 94 team.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14579779]Horace Grant left Chicago for the 95 season. Had he stayed, the Bulls would have won 50+ again. You act like the 95 team wasn't missing a key member of the 94 team.[/QUOTE]


HOF Kukoc > Horace

He was the only other go-to player on the bulls outside of MJ, while also being 1st option in the 2nd half or clutch outside of MJ

Ultimately, 93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)

[QUOTE=3ba11;14579783]HOF Kukoc > Horace

He was the only other go-to player on the bulls outside of MJ, while also being 1st option in the 2nd half or clutch outside of MJ

Ultimately, 93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)[/QUOTE]

But Kukoc isn't yout prototypical big. He's a tall wing player.

And you hurt your own argument. Jordan was also on that 95 team with the mighty Kukoc and Pippen. The Bulls didn't even get to the ECF. That's why they went out and got Rodman. They needed another guy that could do the dirty work that Grant used to do. You cant profess to be a person that played basketball at such a level as high as college. And boast that you're 6'7 and not have that understanding.

93 MJ had Pippen and Grant. Paxson was the first 3pt Bulls Kerr. Cartwright was Longley, and Scott Williams was on the 93 Bulls. The Bulls also had Trent Tucker in 93.

And winning 55 games in a season is not common. Typically, about 4 or 5 teams do it a year. Which is impressive in a 30 team league.

The San Antonio Spurs were one of the worse teams in the league when Robinson went down. That's how they got Duncan. A part of me really believes you're a Jordan hater. You don't represent your case well at all. In fact, you argue against yourself. Case and point your David Robinson example. The Spurs won 62 games in 96. The next year when Robinson got hurt? 20.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14579783][B]HOF Kukoc > Horace[/B]

He was the only other go-to player on the bulls outside of MJ, while also being 1st option in the 2nd half or clutch outside of MJ

Ultimately, 93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)[/QUOTE]

Both were on the 94 team. And they're a completely different type of player.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14579794]Both were on the 94 team. And they're a completely different type of player.[/QUOTE]

Jordan had Kukoc and Pippen in 95. And didn't get it done. I understand why. But 3balls arguments are dumb.

[QUOTE=FKAri;14579437]You mean Jokic? Hey isn't that the guy that uppercutted Kawhy on the chin with his dicc and put him on the IL?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14579794]Both were on the 94 team. And they're a completely different type of player.[/QUOTE]


93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)

95' Jordan lost because he was coming back from baseball.. He won the 98' Playoffs with Kukoc as starting PF

[QUOTE=3ba11;14579812]93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)[QUOTE][/QUOTE]
MJ had Kukoc and Pippen in 95.
95' Jordan lost because he was coming back from baseball.. He won the 98' Playoffs with Kukoc as starting PF[/QUOTE]
But Jordan had Rodman in 98. If Kukoc was the one checking Malone, Malone would've had an alltime great series.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14579824]But Jordan had Rodman in 98. If Kukoc was thr one checking Malone, Malone would've had an alltime great series.[/QUOTE]


Malone averaged 25/11/4 on 50%, while Kukoc started every game (37 mpg) - he had several games at 42 minutes as the go-to 2nd option.

Otoh, Rodman did spot duty as the bench player that barely played 20 minutes in some of the wins.

[I]Anyone could've replaced 36-year Rodman's 3/8 as the backup to Kukoc, so come off the bs.. The 97' and 98' Bulls won [U]in spite[/U] of Rodman - no one else could win playing 4 on 5 offensively like that - Rodman wouldn't be playable in any Lebron lineups except maybe the 13' Heat (sufficient scoring help) and he could NEVER start[/I]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14579832]Malone averaged 25/11/4 on 50%, while Kukoc started every game (37 mpg) - he had several games at 42 minutes as the go-to 2nd option.

Otoh, Rodman did spot duty as the bench player that barely played 20 minutes in some of the wins.

[I]Anyone could've replaced 36-year Rodman's 3/8 as the backup to Kukoc, so come off the bs.. The 97' and 98' Bulls won [U]in spite[/U] of Rodman - no one else could win playing 4 on 5 offensively like that - Rodman wouldn't be playable in any Lebron lineups except maybe the 13' Heat (sufficient scoring help) and he could NEVER start[/I][/QUOTE]

When your opponent only scores 54 total points in a game.... players on both sides are going to play less minutes.

Thanks for the lesson Retardo Montalban

[QUOTE=3ba11;14579783]HOF Kukoc > Horace

He was the only other go-to player on the bulls outside of MJ, while also being 1st option in the 2nd half or clutch outside of MJ

Ultimately, 93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - [B]who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95[/B]' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)[/QUOTE]

Shaq and Penny wouldn't have won with Kukoc at the 4 in place of Horace so irrelevant point. One of the major reasons the Bulls lost in 95 was because they were paper thin up-front. Horace provided interior defense and rebounding, two components that the 95 Bulls didn't have and got exposed in the playoffs. For the record, Kukoc never had a playoff series better than the 18/11 Horace hung on the Bulls, as compared to Toni's 12/7.