Curry is the most overrated player in history

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14619168]This thread and take will never not be among the most retarded comments ever made, regardless of how much 3bot tries to course correct 'updating' his opinion. It would be one thing if he said a year ago that Curry was barely top 30 or something, which would be wrong but it's not the outright steaming pile of shit take that 'hes the most overrated player ever' and then going the complete opposite direction once he's developed some kind of 'criteria' intended to include some and exclude others.

I proposed that Curry was 12th last year when we did the GOAT ranking votes( look it up), and that's where he ended up getting placed here, and probably about where the media will end up placing him. If he gets into the top 10 it will be at the expense of Hakeem, Kobe, or Duncan. The basketball community seems reluctant to move guys like Magic and Bird out ( not saying Curry should be over either, just saying that we tend to protect certain legacy players and ink their names into the GOAT top 10 along with a few others).

It's all tiered end of the day anyway, we act like there's some major difference between someone ranked 10th and someone ranked 12th. Hell, there's not much difference between someone ranked 10th and someone ranked 20th. Most of the differences are minute and circumstantial moreso than skill,talent and impact.[/QUOTE]

If the Warriors win the title in a few days and Curry has another 5 or so good years...he's going to finish in the top 10 for sure.

[QUOTE=3ball;14321172]He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.[/QUOTE]

Bump.

:roll:

Classic thread.

Deserves a bump after that 50 piece.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14619094]3ball is always good for an easy chuckle :lol

Fool is always wrong

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/Z5K9P7LN/3ball-the-troll.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:roll:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14767142]Deserves a bump after that 50 piece.[/QUOTE]


This thread was made a long time ago and Curry has since proven me wrong, which Lebron never did

That's why I have Curry in my top 5 all-time (he proved me wrong), while you guys fell for a fraudulent brand of ball

Seeing the light regarding Curry showed me how to rank players all-time - it should be based on the skillset that needed the least help to win - that's the best player..

Accordingly, history shows that the best expert jumpshooters (MJ, Kobe, Curry, Bird) needed less help than the best centers (Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq), who needed less help than the best ball-dominators (Magic, Lebron, Oscar)... So that's how the rankings should be

[QUOTE=3ba11;14767167][B]This thread was made a long time ago[/B] and Curry has since proven me wrong, which Lebron never did

That's why I have Curry in my top 5 all-time (he proved me wrong), while you guys fell for a fraudulent brand of ball

Seeing the light regarding Curry showed me how to rank players all-time - it should be based on the skillset that needed the least help to win - that's the best player..

Accordingly, history shows that the best expert jumpshooters (MJ, Kobe, Curry, Bird) needed less help than the best centers (Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq), who needed less help than the best ball-dominators (Magic, Lebron, Oscar)... So that's how the rankings should be[/QUOTE]
You made this thread 5/20/21, not even two full years ago, after Curry had already won 2 MVP's/3 titles and had been in the league for 12 seasons :oldlol:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14767169]You made this thread 5/20/21, not even two full years ago, after Curry had already won 2 MVP's/3 titles and had been in the league for 12 seasons :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


2022 was the year Curry proved me wrong, and I saw it early in the season.. I was like "oh shit, he did it again... better hop on the bandwagon.. better late than never"

goats make you do that - they prove you wrong, while frauds never do.

ultimately, expert jumpshooting is the best skillset in basketball because it wins more with less via teammate development, fits/chemistry and strategic capacity/coaching... this doesn't mean bradley beal > lebron, but the most talented jumpshooters like Curry, Kobe or MJ certainly are.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14767180]2022 was the year Curry proved me wrong, and I saw it early in the season.. I was like "oh shit, he did it again... better hop on the bandwagon.. better late than never"

goats make you do that - they prove you wrong, while frauds never do.

ultimately, expert jumpshooting is the best skillset in basketball because it wins more with less via teammate development, fits/chemistry and strategic capacity/coaching... this doesn't mean bradley beal > lebron, but the most talented jumpshooters like Curry, Kobe or MJ certainly are.[/QUOTE]

Curry needed far more defensive help than a lot of other GOATs. That has to play some factor when ranking Curry. No doubt he is one of the best offensive players of all time though.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767197]Curry needed far more defensive help than a lot of other GOATs. That has to play some factor when ranking Curry.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. Many of his teammates have to be reduced into screensetting roles for them to actually prosper.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767197]Curry needed far more defensive help than a lot of other GOATs. That has to play some factor when ranking Curry. No doubt he is one of the best offensive players of all time though.[/QUOTE]


Defensive help?

Curry uses small-ball to win - he found a way to win with an entirely lower level of defensive help

He won titles with less rebounding or rim protection or bigs compared to what Lebron needed

Furthermore, generational offensive talents like Bird, Curry or Jordan that can carry the scoring load allow GM's to surround them with cheap defenders, so they still have #1 defenses... Otoh, guys with more cumbersome offensive games like Luka or Lebron need expensive scorers and shooters to pass to, which leaves less capacity to build a defensive team.

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[QUOTE=3ba11;14767207]Defensive help?

Curry uses small-ball to win - he found a way to win with an entirely lower level of defensive help

He won titles with less rebounding or rim protection or bigs compared to what Lebron needed

Furthermore, generational offensive talents like Bird, Curry or Jordan that can carry the scoring load allow GM's to surround them with cheap defenders, so they still have #1 defenses... Otoh, guys with more cumbersome offensive games like Luka or Lebron need expensive scorers and shooters to pass to, which leaves less capacity to build a defensive team.[/QUOTE]

Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767212]Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).[/QUOTE]

Keep crying bitch.

[QUOTE=hold this L;14767246]Keep crying bitch.[/QUOTE]

:lol

He's so salty.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767212]Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).[/QUOTE]
I remember the team used to take him out from the floor once he becomes a defensive liability.

Is Curry still top 5 or is he most overrated player in history? :lol:lol

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767212]Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).[/QUOTE]

Devastating ether. :oldlol:


38 yo Bron bullied him AGAIN.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767212]Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).[/QUOTE]

Cavs were 1st in 2015 and Warriors 8th [url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Golden State 8th)

2016 Cavs were 1st and Warriors 2nd. In 2017 Warriors 1st and Cavs 2nd.
2019 Lakers 4th (no playoffs), Raptors 5th title

2014 Miami 1st and Spurs 6th [url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html[/url]
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Dallas 7th) and Miami 1st.

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 1st) - 1st round exit

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 2nd) - Missed play in.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14776670]Devastating ether. :oldlol:


38 yo Bron bullied him AGAIN.[/QUOTE]
Did so while being hampered as well.

3ball please explain this thread.

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[B][SIZE=3]FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years[/SIZE][/B]


here's the real 3ball thread about my top 10 that was made in 2021:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward[/url]


In late 2021 (the start of the 2022 season), I saw the light when I saw that Curry somehow had the best team in the league with confirmed losers like Poole and Wiggins as the best players.. It dawned on me that Curry actually fulfilled all my criteria (off-ball, ball movement, goat chemistry, etc)... So it was a quick fix, hence the thread above...

(the giannis thing at #10 was very temporary and simple recency bias - the impetus for the thread was to show that I had come around on Curry.. my rankings have only changed marginally since then, such as putting giannis out of the top 10 and putting Curry over Russell... ultimately, the best expert jumpshooters won with less than the best bigs, who won with less than the best ball-dominators, so my current top 10 show this hierarchy, aka the best jumpshooters > the best centers > the best ball-dominators, based on who needed the least help to win.. this is one of the only top 10 rankings you will see that have clear-cut criteria).

Interesting

Wow, this just might be the dumbest thread in ISH history, whoever made this is a moron who knows absolutely nothing about basketball.

[QUOTE=Carbine;14935589]Interesting[/QUOTE]


yes the mods took over my account but it's okay because i will sue them after i start my youtube channel

i do believe they're jealous because i chose such a great screenname and then became a prolific poster on this site

they've been posting on the account for years and making it look like I said things that i didn't say

anything before around 2020 is me... Anything after is the mods... they also post in other forums that i've never posted in like off-topic and other forums

Mods stole your account?

[QUOTE=3ba11;14582741].
[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]


This is the worst legitimate thread that OP ever made.

Curry proved me wrong and I submit to his greatness. I [U][B]bow down[/B][/U] to Curry and his fans..

It's unfortunate that I realized Curry is a top 5 all-time AFTER making this thread.. So I feel embarrassed... Ashamed... Humbled

Can you imagine OP making a thread saying that MJ is the most overrated player ever? [U]Curry deserves the same respect[/U].. So I'm........ in shambles.......

I don't feel worthy of being a Curry fan, so again.... shambles.... Curry's goatness has humbled me.. I submit. I apologize. I repent to Curry and his fans..

Only true goat-caliber can make someone submit and repent as I have here to Curry.[/QUOTE]



Mods didn't take your account, you just posted bullshit

[QUOTE=3ba11;14935588].
[B][SIZE=3]FYI - [B]this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago[/B] - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years[/SIZE][/B]


here's the real 3ball thread about my top 10 that was made in 2021:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward[/url]


In late 2021 (the start of the 2022 season), I saw the light when I saw that Curry somehow had the best team in the league with confirmed losers like Poole and Wiggins as the best players.. It dawned on me that Curry actually fulfilled all my criteria (off-ball, ball movement, goat chemistry, etc)... So it was a quick fix, hence the thread above...

(the giannis thing at #10 was very temporary and simple recency bias - the impetus for the thread was to show that I had come around on Curry.. my rankings have only changed marginally since then, such as putting giannis out of the top 10 and putting Curry over Russell... ultimately, the best expert jumpshooters won with less than the best bigs, who won with less than the best ball-dominators, so my current top 10 show this hierarchy, aka the best jumpshooters > the best centers > the best ball-dominators, based on who needed the least help to win.. this is one of the only top 10 rankings you will see that have clear-cut criteria).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14935588].
[B][SIZE=3]FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

:roll:

What a fraud.

Kblaze888555 please confirm this story thanks

OP flip flops more than his girl Kamala

[QUOTE=3ba11;14935588].
[B][SIZE=3]FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years[/SIZE][/B]


here's the [B]real 3ball thread about my top 10 that was made in 2021[/B]:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward[/url]
[/QUOTE]

That thread you just linked was in 2021 but you said here everything after 2020 is the mods:

[QUOTE=3ba11;14935592]
anything before around 2020 is me...[B] Anything after is the mods... [/B]they also post in other forums that i've never posted in like off-topic and other forums[/QUOTE]

Mods made this one too :(

[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477034-in-70-s-Curry-long-2-lt-close-post-2-so-curry-klay-role-player-in-70-s"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477034-in-70-s-Curry-long-2-lt-close-post-2-so-curry-klay-role-player-in-70-s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Carbine;14935596]Kblaze888555 please confirm this story thanks[/QUOTE]

He's lying. He's been confronted about this thread in the past and has said "Curry proved me wrong, LeBron doesn't"

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14935599]Mods made this one too :(

[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477034-in-70-s-Curry-long-2-lt-close-post-2-so-curry-klay-role-player-in-70-s"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477034-in-70-s-Curry-long-2-lt-close-post-2-so-curry-klay-role-player-in-70-s[/URL][/QUOTE]

Ouch

[QUOTE=3ba11;14935588].
[B][SIZE=3]FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years[/SIZE][/B][/quote]
[Img]https://c.tenor.com/g4GOmjxbUjQAAAAC/tenor.gif[/img]

:hammerhead:

So this is how schizo posting works, huh?

Nope.

I will still stay with KOBE

As an All Time Great, KOBE is the most polarizing and most overrated player ever in NBA History.

Curry actually built a DYNASTY. Kobe never did. Shaq's magnificient, dominant 3peat is now credited to Kobe which is a joke.

Despite NBA and Fans knowing, how Kobe treated Shaq and got him kicked out of LA. After all that success and deliberate sabotaging of 2004 Final.

Kobe has been given passes on every thing. Rape or Shaq Kobe fued or threating to sign with Bulls in 2007. Kobe was forgiven and excuse at every poor behavior.

Kobe is a 44%FG SG. Kobe took very bad FGA. Kobe shot selection was poor. Kobe, when streaky just shot and shot never getting teammates involved. A deliberate attempt to get to 81 pts or 62 pts in 3 Quarters ASAP.

MJ, charles despite being hot and on streak kept it real. stopped scoring midway getting teammates involved. Kobe was pure selfish, AI type of shot jocker.

EX: 1992 MJ finals game 1. MJ was 35 pts by halftime. Ended game with only 39 pts. foregoing even 40 pts. Just sat out before that.

Ex 2: Charles in 1994 Playoffs was at 57 pts. could've easily broken MJs 63 pts. sat out entire 4th quarter because game was blown out.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14935592]yes the mods took over my account but it's okay because i will sue them after i start my youtube channel

i do believe they're jealous because i chose such a great screenname and then became a prolific poster on this site

they've been posting on the account for years and making it look like I said things that i didn't say

anything before around 2020 is me... Anything after is the mods... they also post in other forums that i've never posted in like off-topic and other forums[/QUOTE]

:roll:

waiting for that yiutube channel. its a lot more work than shitposting on a forum so we'll see if you follow through haha

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Sorry Curry:


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