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[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14564328]Of course him missing 20 games and his team winning nearly all of them disqualifies him. By definition that means he's not all that valuable.[/QUOTE]
You should definitely get the MTBM award, that is, Most Triggered Bronie by Morant :lol
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14564167]Tyus Jones is the most underrated player in the league[/QUOTE]
This is true. I loved his game coming out of college and was repping him to all who would listen. Glad to see he's making me look smart.
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[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14564331]You should definitely get the MTBM award, that is, Most Triggered Bronie by Morant :lol[/QUOTE]
I like low hanging fruit.
Shitting on you idiots who think he's an actual MVP candidate with his team being significantly better without him, and him missing more than 1/4th of the season is just too easy. I can't say no.
Me jumping on your retarded skull is incredibly fun. Triggered implies there's some sort of anger but I'm in a state of play. I love these morant threads... it's never been easier :lol
Even if we set aside their record without him, when was the last time someone won MVP missing 20 games?
[QUOTE=tontoz;14564339]Even if we set aside their record without him, when was the last time someone won MVP missing 20 games?[/QUOTE]
It's been over 40 years when the league was dying :lol
That's the point. Even if they were like 10-10 he still wouldn't have a case over Jokic, embiid, or Giannis. I mean there's several other way more deserving candidates as well... but he's not even remotely close to the big 3.
The 17-2 thing just makes it beyond laughable. :oldlol:
Over the last 20 years the most games missed by a MVP was 10 by Harden.
There are two camps of Ja for MVP... absolute morons, of which there are multiple in this thread, and people that are baiting/trolling, of which there are multiple in this thread.
But either way, they're all morons.
[QUOTE=Shogon;14564375]There are two camps of Ja for MVP... absolute morons, of which there are multiple in this thread, and people that are baiting/trolling, of which there are multiple in this thread.
But either way, they're all morons.[/QUOTE]
Only one of them has a bowl cut
[QUOTE=AirBonner;14564383]Only one of them has a bowl cut[/QUOTE]
:milton
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14564338]I like low hanging fruit.
Shitting on you idiots who think he's an actual MVP candidate with his team being significantly better without him, and him missing more than 1/4th of the season is just too easy. I can't say no.
Me jumping on your retarded skull is incredibly fun. Triggered implies there's some sort of anger but I'm in a state of play. I love these morant threads... it's never been easier :lol[/QUOTE]
Ether *mic drop*
Even though Jokic deserves MVP the most, I'm pulling for Morant all the way.
JA MORANT FOR MVP!
:crazysam:
Can you even imagine the meltdowns that would follow???? :roll:
[QUOTE=Full Court;14564794]Even though Jokic deserves MVP the most, I'm pulling for Morant all the way.
JA MORANT FOR MVP!
:crazysam:
Can you even imagine the meltdowns that would follow???? :roll:[/QUOTE]
The icing on the cake from 12 months of melting bron stans
[QUOTE=Full Court;14564794]Even though Jokic deserves MVP the most, I'm pulling for Morant all the way.
JA MORANT FOR MVP!
:crazysam:
Can you even imagine the meltdowns that would follow???? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Imagine thinking Morant winning MVP is even a possibility at this point. :roll:
Morant for MVC!
Most valuable Cheerleader!
[QUOTE=insight;14568625]Morant for MVC!
Most valuable Cheerleader![/QUOTE]
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20-2 without him beat the best team in the league lmfao he makes them worse
[QUOTE=RRR3;14568659]20-2 without him beat the best team in the league lmfao he makes them worse[/QUOTE]
Memphis without Morant ARE the best team in the world (and in history). smh
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14553359]12-2 is a fluke of lucky shooting, weak opponents and unsustainably tenacious defense. Completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Since then your analytical and prediction skills changed my mind. Obviously Memphis without Ja is the best team ever. The record proves it.
You guys have convinced me. I'm no longer pulling for Morant for MVP. Now it's Desmond Bane all the way!
Desmond Bane for MVP!!!
Here's what I don't get...
He's very clearly not the best player in the world.
His team wins with or without him, arguably better without him.
So... he's not the best... his team wins without him... what argument does he have for MVP? Why are you retards doubling down? Is it just as simple as the fact that you're retarded or......... what, exactly?
You guys are beyond brain dead.
You are literal walking wastes of resources. The planet as a whole is worse because you exist.
There are people of average intelligence in poor countries that would make us all better off if they had your resources instead of you having them. You are literal wastes and drags on society as a whole.
You offer nothing. You produce nothing except idiocy and dragging us all down. You consume and you spew idiocy. That's all you do. Literally. And you're too stupid to see it. Not that it's your fault that you're stupid, but one would hope you at least had a smidge of humility, which you obviously do not.
Stop posting.
Leave.
Will Morant make an All-NBA Team?
[QUOTE=Shogon;14568933]Here's what I don't get...
He's very clearly not the best player in the world.
His team wins with or without him, arguably better without him.
So... he's not the best... his team wins without him... what argument does he have for MVP? Why are you retards doubling down? Is it just as simple as the fact that you're retarded or......... what, exactly?
You guys are beyond brain dead.
You are literal walking wastes of resources. The planet as a whole is worse because you exist.
There are people of average intelligence in poor countries that would make us all better off if they had your resources instead of you having them. You are literal wastes and drags on society as a whole.
You offer nothing. You produce nothing except idiocy and dragging us all down. You consume and you spew idiocy. That's all you do. Literally. And you're too stupid to see it. Not that it's your fault that you're stupid, but one would hope you at least had a smidge of humility, which you obviously do not.
Stop posting.
Leave.[/QUOTE]
How about saving one of these tirades to the imbeciles who say he shouldn't be a starter on the Grizzlies? Because if you were objective as you pretend to be you would quickly see that if there is a middle ground to this debate, these bums are much further from it.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14568936]How about saving one of these tirades to the imbeciles who say he shouldn't be a starter on the Grizzlies? Because if you were objective as you pretend to be you would quickly see that if there is a middle ground to this debate, these bums are much further from it.[/QUOTE]
Serious question, is Morant still your MVP?
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14568937]Serious question, is Morant still your MVP?[/QUOTE]
Serious question, should Morant start from the bench?
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14568938]Serious question, should Morant start from the bench?[/QUOTE]
Obviously no. Now answer my question please.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14568938]Serious question, should Morant start from the bench?[/QUOTE]
How exactly can a player start from the bench? :lol
[QUOTE=tontoz;14568944]How exactly can a player start from the bench? :lol[/QUOTE]
Its ok buddy, we know youre the smartest person here at this point. youve proven yourself, you can relax now.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14568965]Its ok buddy, we know youre the smartest person here at this point. youve proven yourself, you can relax now.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14568965]Its ok buddy, we know youre the smartest person here at this point. youve proven yourself, you can relax now.[/QUOTE]
Not sure about that but i think we've established you definitely are NOT the smartest person here. :lol
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14568939]Obviously no. Now answer my question please.[/QUOTE]
As I said for me the entertainment and innovation factors a great deal. Ja is by far the player with the biggest wow factor in the league. So just based on that and his numbers hes the MVP for me, considering his team has been successful. But I recognize he missed too many games to be voted and I'm fine with that. The whole 'team plays better without him' is bs. Their success is to a massive part due to chemistry and team spirit, and as the leader hes been crucial in installing confidence in them.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14568986]As I said for me the entertainment and innovation factors a great deal. Ja is by far the player with the biggest wow factor in the league. [B]So just based on that and his numbers hes the MVP for me[/B], considering his team has been successful. But I recognize he missed too many games to be voted and I'm fine with that. The whole 'team plays better without him' is bs. Their success is to a massive part due to chemistry and team spirit, and as the leader hes been crucial in installing confidence in them.[/QUOTE]
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Not surprising coming from a D-Rose stan.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14568988]:roll:
Not surprising coming from a D-Rose stan.[/QUOTE]
Very insightful conclusion, providing strong competition to the wizards fan for smartest guy in the room award.
Of course if I start rambling about analytics, VORPs and RAPTORs I would sound more sophisticated or objective or whatever. But virtue signaling is not my goal here. I don't care what people think of me. AFAIK there are fixed criteria about MVP so Im free to choose mine, and youre free to **** off ;)
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14568991]Very insightful conclusion, providing strong competition to the wizards fan for smartest guy in the room award.
Of course if I start rambling about analytics, VORPs and RAPTORs I would sound more sophisticated or objective or whatever. But virtue signaling is not my goal here. I don't care what people think of me. AFAIK there are fixed criteria about MVP so Im free to choose mine, and youre free to **** off ;)[/QUOTE]
Your conclusion to why he is MVP is retarded. "Wow factor and numbers". When in reality there are a handful of guys with better numbers.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14568995]Your conclusion to why he is MVP is retarded. "Wow factor and numbers". When in reality there are a handful of guys with better numbers.[/QUOTE]
Thats why I said wow factor AND numbers, not just numbers. Duh.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14568998]Thats why I said wow factor AND numbers, not just numbers. Duh.[/QUOTE]
You sound like Skip Bayless.
"He has the wow factor, easily my MVP". Seriously, what you just said sounds like something Kendrick Perkins would say on ESPN.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14568999]You sound like Skip Bayless.
"He has the wow factor, easily my MVP". Seriously, what you just said sounds like something Kendrick Perkins would say on ESPN.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what Skip Bayless or Kendrick Perkins say and I don't care. But lets say youre right. So? Should we just hear about BPM and VORP bullshit over and over again? Are you watching sports or scrolling Excel sheets? You think you figured out some deeper truth?
All these clowns desperate to be seen as 'original' and 'independent' thinkers, going against the 'mainstream narrative'. Newsflash, the mainstream narrative isn't that Ja should be MVP. I have my own philosophy when it comes to evaluating players and i dont give a shit what you think about it
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14569023]I have no idea what Skip Bayless or Kendrick Perkins say and I don't care. But lets say youre right. So? Should we just hear about BPM and VORP bullshit over and over again? Are you watching sports or scrolling Excel sheets? You think you figured out some deeper truth?
All these clowns desperate to be seen as 'original' and 'independent' thinkers, going against the 'mainstream narrative'. Newsflash, the mainstream narrative isn't that Ja should be MVP. I have my own philosophy when it comes to evaluating players and i dont give a shit what you think about it[/QUOTE]
Earlier in the thread you said that advanced stats were part of the case for Morant being the MVP. Are you now saying advanced stats don't matter?
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14553433]Based on all the other components of what makes an MVP (raw stats, advanced stats, star teammates and of course the X factor - excitement).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14569023]I have no idea what Skip Bayless or Kendrick Perkins say and I don't care. But lets say youre right. So? Should we just hear about BPM and VORP bullshit over and over again? Are you watching sports or scrolling Excel sheets? You think you figured out some deeper truth?
All these clowns desperate to be seen as 'original' and 'independent' thinkers, going against the 'mainstream narrative'. Newsflash, the mainstream narrative isn't that Ja should be MVP. I have my own philosophy when it comes to evaluating players and i dont give a shit what you think about it[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. The "data driven" obsession that has bled over into basketball takes away the soul of the sport. There are too many intangibles that can be quantified. That's why to me the eye test trumps advanced stats.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14569027]Earlier in the thread you said that advanced stats were part of the case for Morant being the MVP. Are you now saying advanced stats don't matter?[/QUOTE]
No, you and the rest of the sophisticated brigade are saying the eye test doesn't matter, only advanced stats matter. And Morants advanced stats are excellent, having other players with better advanced stats doesnt change that.
Try again.