2022 off season Post Gobert. A new era begins

[url]https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/07/14/new-york-knicks-trade-ideas-donovan-mitchell/4/[/url]

you forgot Grimes

[url]https://fansided.com/2022/07/13/kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-trades/[/url]

Jazz don't want Vuc or max Ayton

[QUOTE] Talkin’ NBA: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“What league executives are saying is that this is all going to be a maneuver to get the most [the Utah Jazz] possibly can out of the New York Knicks… We’re going to see a historical pick haul.”[/URL] — Brian Windhorst on Donovan Mitchell

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/_Talkin_NBA"]Twitter _Talkin_NBA[/URL]





Talkin’ NBA: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“Trader Danny [Ainge] as one source told me, ‘Wants the house.'”[/URL] — Tim MacMahon on the type of return the Jazz want for Donovan Mitchell
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/_Talkin_NBA"]Twitter _Talkin_NBA[/URL]

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I hope he starts having some fun again!

Adrian Wojnarowski: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Pacers are waiving guard Duane Washington and waiving and stretching the three players who arrived in the Boston trade for Malcolm Brogdon: Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan and Nik Stauskas, sources tell ESPN. That’ll create the cap space to sign Ayton to the max offer sheet[/URL].

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/wojespn"]Twitter wojespn[/URL]

[QUOTE] For the fourth quarter of the summer team’s win over Denver, Russell discussed the addition of Gobert, his fluid contract status and perhaps most of all, the excitement that exists now and has replaced the frustration at the end of last season. [URL="https://theathletic.com/3418415/2022/07/13/courtside-with-dangelo-russell-wolves/?source=emp_shared_article"]“I’m looking forward to our new group, our new chapter and what we have now,” Russell said. “What we have now is exciting for me. I haven’t ever been this excited about a team.”[/URL]

– via [URL="https://theathletic.com/3418415/2022/07/13/courtside-with-dangelo-russell-wolves/?source=emp_shared_article"]Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic[/URL]


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doubt anyone on that team has been



[QUOTE]“You know what you’re going to get from KAT. You know he’s going to dominate the game offensively,” Russell said. “Rudy, you know he’s going to dominate the game defensively. That balance alone does wonders for our team. [URL="https://theathletic.com/3418415/2022/07/13/courtside-with-dangelo-russell-wolves/?source=emp_shared_article"]For myself, I’ve always realized that if you put a shooter and a roller next to me, I can make the game easier for everyone around me. I’m just looking forward to bringing that to the team.”[/URL]

[/QUOTE] – via [URL="https://theathletic.com/3418415/2022/07/13/courtside-with-dangelo-russell-wolves/?source=emp_shared_article"]Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14638464]I can't see taking any of their vets. None are expiring. Only Reddish and Barrett and they would be up for extension now. Get another team involve if they have to take a seasoned vet. Needs to be expiring or a lot younger. I'd only want their young guys and assets[/QUOTE]

Basically what they said. Don't want Randle or Fournier cause they're stuck with like $100 million on the books from them. It's young players + picks that they're after if they move Mitchell.

[QUOTE=El Kabong;14638755]Basically what they said. Don't want Randle or Fournier cause they're stuck with like $100 million on the books from them. It's young players + picks that they're after if they move Mitchell.[/QUOTE]

two years on Rose too

Tommy Beer: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Donovan Mitchell will be in NYC this weekend – throwing out the first pitch before the Brooklyn Cyclones game on Saturday night[/URL]. The team will also hand out Donovan Mitchell bobbleheads to fans in attendance. (via @BKCyclones) pic.twitter.com/BBljq30fwn
[HR][/HR] [URL]http://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1547724435196588044[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/TommyBeer"]Twitter TommyBeer[/URL]

[QUOTE] Sarah Todd: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Sources with knowledge of the situation say that Alex Jensen and Irv Roland will be among assistant coaches that are retained by the Jazz and be a part of Will Hardy’s staff[/URL]

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/NBASarah"]Twitter NBASarah[/URL]





Sarah Todd: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Will Hardy has yet to make a decision on his lead assistant. But sources have confirmed that Alex Jensen, Irv Roland, Bryan Bailey and Lamar Skeeter will remain on the Jazz coaching staff[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/NBASarah"]Twitter NBASarah[/URL]


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I'd guess Jensen could be the lead. He's been around a long time now and they will be tanking so don't need a Stotts or Vogel. So only about 10 more coaches to go? Not sure if they need more coaches or players at this point! :lol

[QUOTE] Tommy Beer: Shams Charania, [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]when asked about trade talks between Utah and New York for Donovan Mitchell on the NBA TV broadcast, says he “expects this to be a dance that plays out over the next two-to-three weeks or the rest of the offseason.”[/URL]

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/TommyBeer"]Twitter TommyBeer[/URL]





A few notes on the Knicks-Utah Jazz discussions around a Donovan Mitchell trade: New York and Utah spoke about a deal earlier this week prior to the Knicks formally announcing their free-agent signings, per SNY sources. [URL="https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson"]The Jazz and Knicks talked about a package that would have included Mitchell Robinson and at least three first-round picks, per SNY sources. Utah had interest in Robinson[/URL]. Robinson has since finalized his contract with the Knicks and cannot be traded until Dec 15.
– via [URL="https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson"]SportsNet New York[/URL]


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interesting. Would have made losing Rudy a little easier





[QUOTE] In earlier talks, Utah had expressed interest in a package that included Quentin Grimes, per SNY sources. I don’t know if the Knicks’ thinking has changed, but I know members of the organization felt Utah was asking for too much at the time. [URL="https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson"]On Grimes, specifically, the organization values the second-year guard and top decision-makers had been unwilling to move him in previous trade talks, including in the Cam Reddish trade[/URL].

– via [URL="https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson"]SportsNet New York[/URL]







Also, as of Tuesday evening, sources familiar with the dynamic said the Knicks and Jazz were not close to making a deal. The Athletic reported on Tuesday night that the Knicks and Jazz had been in touch on a deal within the previous 24 hours and said Grimes is believed to be of interest to the Jazz. [URL="https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson"]Teams in touch with the Jazz earlier in the week came away with the impression that Utah prioritized acquiring draft capital in any deal for Mitchell, as SNY reported on Tuesday[/URL].

– via [URL="https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson"]SportsNet New York[/URL]


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Adrian Wojnarowski: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Free agent guard Austin Rivers has agreed on a one-year deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves, his agents Dave Spahn and Aaron Mintz of CAA Sports tell ESPN. Rivers played 67 games for Denver a year ago, where new president Tim Connelly signed him in consecutive seasons[/URL].

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/wojespn"]Twitter wojespn[/URL]


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Minnesota gets better

[QUOTE] The New York Knicks are hot after Donovan Mitchell, but they have to be careful not to end up bidding against themselves in trade talks with the Utah Jazz. We know Danny Ainge has a history of asking for, and often getting, the world, and indeed, Ainge recently asked the Knicks for a king’s ransom in exchange for Mitchell. According to Tony Jones of The Athletic, [URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-backed-away-from-jazzs-huge-request-that-included-six-draft-picks/"]Utah offered Mitchell to New York for six future first-round draft picks plus Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin and Miles McBride, but the Knicks “backed away” from that proposal[/URL].

– via [URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-backed-away-from-jazzs-huge-request-that-included-six-draft-picks/"]CBSSports.com[/URL]





Jones also reported that despite being linked to the trade, RJ Barrett isn’t likely to make the move to Utah simply because he doesn’t fit with what they’re trying to do: [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-utahs-insane-donovan-mitchell-trade-demands-that-forced-knicks-to-back-out-of-deal/"]“The Jazz do not wont to take back RJ Barrett in the deal because they don’t want to pay him. They wanna go young,” Jones added[/URL].

– via [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-utahs-insane-donovan-mitchell-trade-demands-that-forced-knicks-to-back-out-of-deal/"]Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points[/URL]


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so no Reddish either? Sounds like a fair deal. Danny wouldn't try to rob anyone! :lol

[QUOTE] Tim MacMahon: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h"]The Jazz have have talked about moving (Mike) Conley. They’ve talked about moving (Bojan) Bogdanovic[/URL].

– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h"]Spotify[/URL]





Tim MacMahon: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h"]I’ll say if the Jazz and Raptors do a trade, I think Bogdanovic would be the guy going to Toronto, not Donovan Mitchell[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h"]Spotify[/URL]

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Clarkson please!

[url]https://kslsports.com/489576/three-hypothetical-jazz-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trades/[/url]

[QUOTE]This would signal a total rebuild for the Jazz with no significant long-term contracts on the books, and get them back into the 2024 NBA Draft where they don’t currently own any picks.

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don't think they care much about 2024 at the moment

[QUOTE]Furthermore, the Knicks maintain roster flexibility by holding onto Toppin, Reddish, and Grimes providing ample young depth behind a competitive starting lineup.

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sounds like Grimes is a key piece for Danny

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23219784/what-life-for-the-utah-jazz-and-knicks-could-look-like-in-the-aftermath-of-a-donovan-mitchell-trade[/url]

[QUOTE]If the Jazz were to move forward with Mitchell they would have an absolutely impossible task of trying to build a team around him that would come close to being able to contend. The defense is completely depleted without Gobert and Royce O’Neale, they still have the problem of having a too small back court with Mitchell and Mike Conley and there would need to be deals upon deals upon deals made to flip some assets and current players to make the Jazz a team that could even compete for a playoff spot, much less anything else.

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new coach. New 6th man. new pg. Playoffs

[QUOTE]The Knicks, who have a treasure chest full of future picks to offer in a deal, are probably going to have to give up at least a handful of them in order to land Mitchell, especially after the Gobert trade dictated the worth of a star player in today’s market. A deal would also probably include some number of younger high-ceiling players that are already semi-established.

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we no the price of a statue anyway

[QUOTE]It’s fairly easy to see the path forward for the Jazz.

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now that Gobert is gone it's clear. Replacing Gobert not so clear

[QUOTE]I understand getting someone like Mitchell, who is considered somewhat of a homegrown product for New York, being able to step in as a three-time All-Star who might not have even reached his highest potential yet, and making him the face of the franchise. But if we are talking about winning and hopefully contending for a title, I’m still uncertain about New York’s plan.

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good luck making the playoffs!

[QUOTE]Recent reports suggest that the Knicks have been hesitant to include as many future assets as the Jazz are asking for in a deal, and that makes sense to me. I don’t think that the Knicks have what it would take to be a contending team if they give up more than five of their future draft picks.

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Danny might settle for 5. Depends on the rest of the package

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23219542/four-utah-jazz-assistant-coaches-will-remain-on-staff-with-new-head-coach-will-hardy-alex-jensen[/url]

[QUOTE]The Jazz feel confident in Hardy, a first-time NBA head coach, and believe that he is fortunate to have multiple people in the Jazz organization who have NBA head coaching experience for him to lean on for advice. Jazz CEO Danny Ainge and assistant general manager David Fizdale both have extensive experience coaching in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

don't think Danny's was to extensive. He was a good head coach. Probably a better front office guy though


[QUOTE]Jensen originally joined the Jazz coaching staff in 2013 under Ty Corbin and was kept on staff by Snyder, eventually becoming his lead assistant. Roland joined the Jazz coaching staff in 2021, Skeeter has been a player development and assistant coach since 2016, and Bailey joined the Jazz staff in 2019 after coaching with the SLC Stars.

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figured Roland must be new. Didn't recognize his name so much

wonder if the Stars will have new coaches too?

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23216974/what-trade-haul-could-the-utah-jazz-get-from-the-new-york-knicks-for-donovan-mitchell-draft-assets[/url]

[QUOTE]In exchange for Utah sending Mitchell and [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2021/11/19/22788302/dedication-and-little-bit-of-crazy-how-rudy-gay-has-stayed-relevant-after-15-years-utah-jazz"]Rudy Gay[/URL] to the Knicks, the Jazz would receive Evan Fournier, Cam Reddish, Obi Toppin and Miles McBride, as well as New York’s 2023, 2025 and 2027 first-round picks, and two first-round picks the Knicks have acquired from other teams — the Dallas Mavericks’ 2023 pick (top-10 protected) and the Wizards’ 2023 pick (top-14 protected).[/QUOTE]

would certainly want Gay in the deal if they have to take on Fournier, Rose or Randle


[QUOTE]“Would Barrett be a deal-breaker for Utah? Probably not, especially in light of the limitations facing other suitors here. If the Knicks put seven or eight first-rounders on the table, nobody else is going to top that. Right now, they’re in the driver’s seat with or without Barrett, and that likely suits Utah just fine. He’s too good to properly tank with anyway.”

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if he was too good to tank with the Knicks wouldn't have sucked last year. Jazz likely suck just fine with Barrett leading them

[QUOTE]The Thunder trade scenario involves Derrick Favors returning to Utah, as well as the first-round pick the Jazz traded along with him to Oklahoma City in 2021.

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told ya Favors coming home! Hopefully they get the first back too :roll:

[QUOTE]The Heat have come up numerous times as a destination for Mitchell, and ESPN proposed a three-team trade (including Miami and OKC) where the Jazz would receive Tyler Herro, Nikola Jovic, Duncan Robinson and Gabe Vincent, as well as first-round picks in 2023, 2027 and 2029.

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they don't want Robinson

[QUOTE]The deal would send Mitchell and Udoke Azubuike to Miami, while the Thunder would get a collection of four future draft picks.

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wouldn't be looking to deal another starting center unless the doctors think it's best

[QUOTE]In this proposed trade, the Nets get Mitchell, Mikal Bridges and Myles Turner, the Phoenix Suns get Kevin Durant, who’s requested a trade from Brooklyn, the Indiana Pacers get DeAndre Ayton and the Jazz get Ben Simmons and a plethora of Suns picks: Phoenix’s picks in 2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029, and swaps with the Suns in 2024, 2026 and 2028.

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no on Simmons

[QUOTE]“Utah gets an absolute haul for Mitchell, getting Phoenix’s draft picks for the next several years in addition to taking a free swing on Simmons,” ESPN’s Tim Bontemps wrote.

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the Suns picks aren't the ones you want

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23216167/donovan-mitchell-trade-utah-jazz-tank-who-is-victor-wembenyama-2023-nba-draft-new-york-knicks[/url]

[QUOTE]As ESPN’s Jonathan Givony wrote last month, “The 7’3, 18-year-old Wembenyama, who boasts a 7’9 wingspan and 9’7 standing reach, has wowed NBA executives the past three years with his exceptional combination of fluidity, perimeter skill, shot-blocking instincts and feel for the game.”

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Rudy length with skill!

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2022/7/14/23216434/donovan-mitchell-trade-utah-jazz-new-york-knick[/url]

[QUOTE]It’s going to be one of those days where every notification that pops up on your phone is a potential blockbuster trade sending away Donovan Mitchell. Not gonna lie, my heart kinda broke a little bit typing that last sentence. Donovan has been unlike any player that the Jazz have ever had. The magical rookie year, dunk contest, the All-Stars, the smack-talk, 50-point playoff games, shoe deals, speaking out on social issues, Black Lives Matter, Breonna Taylor, beefing with Utah senators, giving away his shoes to kids at the games, THERE’S JUST SO MUCH. I’ll save the Donovan Mitchell tribute for when he’s actually gone, but this dude has just done so much good stuff in his 5 years in Utah. Seeing him traded away will be very difficult.

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after sending a statue down the road this is easy

[QUOTE]The [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com"]Utah Jazz[/URL] rebuild is already underway. It was under way when they traded Joe Ingles during the regular season. It got a big boost when they traded Rudy Gobert two weeks ago. Trading Donovan Mitchell and adding to their stockpile of draft picks will initiate the biggest rebuild AKA TANK that we have ever seen as Jazz fans. I have no idea what to expect, but here we go.

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unless the next Rudy ruins this tank too!

[QUOTE]Tony Jones on ESPN700 today said the line Danny put to the Knicks was 6 firsts, Obi, IQ, Grimes, and McBride and hasn’t really budged off of that[/QUOTE]

Danny's way or the highway Mr. James ****in' Dolan! But where's my pick swaps? and no protections?

[QUOTE]Also mentioned via Andy Larsen, that this deal could get done by tomorrow and seems to be hung up only on whether NY trades Grimes as well or if not if the Jazz can pry the 2029 pick instead.

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Can't imagine Grimes holding it up. I realize they refused to trade him to other teams and like him but if you want Mitchell you have to give up something. a 6'4 guard that will be behind Brunson, Mitchell and Barrett holds things up? I'm sure Danny is going to try to pry everything he possibly can

[QUOTE]As for Randle and Fournier....Fournier is an expiring after next year. Some team will take him at the deadline for seconds. He is a salary filler. [/QUOTE]

If Fournier has a team option on year two and 3 than he's the guy. Says he has 3 more years but they should be able to move him anyway. I imagine Thibs doesn't want to see Rose go and they don't want Randle

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/15/what-a-donovan-mitchell-deal-to-philadelphia-would-look-like/[/url]

another player the Jazz once wanted but makes no sense now

[url]https://twitter.com/lmaotaa/status/1546973714469662720[/url]

Real?

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/15/knicks-reject-latest-utah-jazz-trade-idea-donovan-mitchell/[/url]

[QUOTE]While New York are still the favourite, the Knicks rejected the Jazz’ latest trade proposal for Donovan, which was reportedly Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride and six future first round picks. The Knicks young core depends heavily on the energy and passion that Toppin, Quickley and Grimes bring, and while six first round picks may end up being the return for Mitchell, the Knicks won’t give up most of their young core to make this happen.

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you court Mitchell you have to give up something. Danny won't let you off that easy. I just hope he's having fun now?

[url]https://fansided.com/2022/07/14/knicks-r-j-barrett-donovan-mitchell-trade/[/url]

Ainge doesn't want him. Everyone else should be on the table except probably Reddish for the same reasons

[url]https://fansided.com/2022/07/14/jazz-trade-scenario-cavs-collin-sexton/[/url]

[QUOTE]The rest of that paragraph makes this deal sound unlikely and, honestly, a cheaper wing-creator like Clarkson probably makes more sense for the Cavs, considering they have Darius Garland and already signed Ricky Rubio this offseason. I did suggest a version of this trade in [URL="https://fansided.com/2022/07/13/kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-trades/"]The Whiteboard yesterday[/URL], but it had Conley routed to the Bulls, Sexton going to the Jazz and Mitchell ending up with the Cavs, along with [I]a lot[/I] of other moving parts.

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Conley to the Bulls makes more sense but where's my 6 Knicks 1sts!

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fournev01.html[/url]

[QUOTE] 2024-25 is a team option.

Signed 4-yr/$73M contract Tuesday, August 17, 2021 as part of a sign and trade from BOS to NYK.



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2 more years isn't as bad. Should be able to flip him. Maybe to Minnesota so he can be with his pal

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01.html[/url]

[QUOTE][h=2]Current Contract[/h] Player Option, Team Option · [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/"]NBA Contracts Summary[/URL]






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Traded from DET to NYK Monday, February 8, 2021.



Signed 2-yr $15M contract Saturday, July 6, 2019.




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Expiring. Player option next year for Rose so he might actually be better but Thibs would be sad. Could buy him out if necessary though he should still have value

Randle 3 more years and then a player option! No thanks!

[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267958/RJ-Barrett-Not-Believed-To-Be-Dealbreaker-In-Discussions-Between-Knicks-Jazz-On-Donovan-Mitchell[/url]

[QUOTE]"The Jazz desire to get him is unclear to me," said Zach Lowe. "He might not be the dealbreaker people think it is."

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Just give Danny more picks and swaps!

[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267951/Raptors-Could-Trade-For-Bojan-Bogdanovic[/url]

probably be a bench player there. 6th man of the year?

[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267949/Knicks-Backed-Away-From-Huge-Trade-Request-From-Jazz[/url]

[QUOTE]While speaking with ESPN700 in Salt Lake City, Tony Jones of The Athletic reported that Utah made a huge request from New York in Mitchell trade talks. The Jazz wanted the Knicks to send six first-round picks, in addition to Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin.

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Doing business with Danny is not for the weak minded! :lol

[QUOTE] [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend"]But there is always risk, no matter how great the players involved. Several front-office executives around the league used a word beyond “risk” to describe the recent Atlanta and Minnesota deals for Dejounte Murray and Rudy Gobert respectively: reckless.[/URL] Even Durant is 34, and any team that acquires him will slice away a big part of its roster doing so. If it ends up being the Phoenix Suns — less likely after they matched the Indiana Pacers’ offer sheet for Deandre Ayton on Thursday — any unprotected Phoenix picks will have value given Durant is 34 and Chris Paul 37.

– via [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend"]Zach Lowe @ ESPN[/URL]




It seems counterintuitive given they haven’t won a playoff series since 2004, but the Wolves might have been closer than Atlanta to “one-player-away” status. [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend"]They had two bona fide stars in Anthony Edwards and Karl-Anthony Towns; Gobert gives them a big three — even if he’s a decade older than Edwards, who is barely starting his career[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend"]Zach Lowe @ ESPN[/URL]

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big 4. They are deep to. They were a top 10 defense last year without Rudy! Should have Towns or Gobert in the game at all times. Should have Ant or D'angelo in the game at all times. Stagger Gobert with Ant like the Jazz did with Conley and Towns with his buddy.





[QUOTE] [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend"]The decision to move from two stars to three can be one of the thorniest team-building moments. The choice hinges on the talent of the two in-house stars; the supporting cast; the franchise’s timeline; injury risks; and other variables. The Clippers and Celtics have been content to stick with two and maintain flexibility. The Nets grabbed a third. The uniqueness of New York’s pursuit of Mitchell is he would be star No. 1 — meaning the Knicks would have fewer avenues to acquire star No. 2[/URL]. Minnesota has zero history of nabbing major free agents, so it could frame the Gobert acquisition as its version of using cap space. Still: You rarely see teams in places like Minnesota go out on this kind of limb. The Wolves are probably still outside the inner circle of contenders until Edwards makes a big leap — by which time Gobert may be aging.

– via [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend"]Zach Lowe @ ESPN[/URL]


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The Twolves win the trade unless the Jazz get a player at least as impactful as the highly flawed stiff Gobert. Execs are mad that they aren't getting their star too

[QUOTE] [URL="https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-contract-extension-trade/"]The Knicks have put out word that 22-year-old guard RJ Barrett, preparing for his fourth season, will not be available in trades, even in a blockbuster deal for Mitchell, whom New York has targeted for about a year. But one Eastern Conference general manager says that fact was mostly met with shrugs because of Barrett’s contract situation[/URL]. Barrett is entering the final year of his rookie scale contract.

– via [URL="https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-contract-extension-trade/"]Sean Deveney @ Heavy.com[/URL]





“R.J. is extension-eligible,” the GM said. “That is a tough position. [URL="https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-contract-extension-trade/"]He might want max money or something close to it. He is not going to get it. It’s a tough negotiation for the Knicks with that because you have to commit to $30 million per year for a guy who is very good as a scorer and has potential but has not shown he is an elite player, really.[/URL] There is interest in R.J. but no one wants to trade for him, then take on the job of negotiating with him. Let the Knicks do that.”

– via [URL="https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-contract-extension-trade/"]Sean Deveney @ Heavy.com[/URL]


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while paying Mitchell max when he really isn't a max player either!

[QUOTE] [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league"]The Knicks naturally hope to complete the actual acquisition of Donovan Mitchell now without surrendering more than, say, four or five of those eight future firsts[/URL] and by keeping RJ Barrett out of the deal. While Barrett’s exclusion is likely fine with the Jazz, Utah (gulp) is said to want at least six of the eight picks.

– via [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league"]Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com[/URL]





[URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league"]New York’s recently re-signed center Mitchell Robinson is ineligible to be traded before Dec. 15, creating another hurdle, but the presence of Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride, Immanuel Quickley, Cam Reddish and Obi Toppin on its roster seemingly gives Rose optionality when it comes to packaging promising young players with his array of picks,[/URL] with Grimes believed to be at the top of Utah’s wish list. The Knicks’ most pressing fear appears to be: Don’t outbid yourself and end up being second-guessed leaguewide like Minnesota after what the Wolves gave up for Gobert.

– via [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league"]Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com[/URL]


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The Twolves are now one of the top teams in the league. No matter what the Knicks give up they likely aren't that good still. Looking more like a poor man Jazz with small guards and Robinson

James ****in' Dolan isn't going to let one or two measly 1sts stop this trade from happening is he?

[URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league"]Mitchell is Miami’s favorite current trade target not named Kevin Durant. Brooklyn is believed to covet Mitchell with a similar fervor to install him as a potential successor to Durant as the Nets’ cornerstone player.[/URL] Even if you believe that the Heat simply don’t have sufficient draft assets to outbid the Knicks for Mitchell, or that Phoenix’s retention of restricted free agent Deandre Ayton decreases the Suns’ ability to trade for Durant and thus makes it even harder on the Nets to concoct a multiteam trade construction that brings them Mitchell, New York must likewise be careful not to underestimate its reputable competition here on top of everything else.

– via [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league"]Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com[/URL]

The Athletic: Donovan Mitchell was chirping at Marcus Stroman on Twitter after the game between the Mets and Cubs was postponed. [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]@STR0 had other things on his mind… pic.twitter.com/QDsnzoElWv[/URL]

[HR][/HR] [INDENT] Donovan Mitchell was chirping at Marcus Stroman on Twitter after the game between the Mets and Cubs was postponed.[URL="https://twitter.com/STR0?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]@STR0[/URL] had other things on his mind… [URL="https://t.co/QDsnzoElWv"]pic.twitter.com/QDsnzoElWv[/URL]
— The Athletic NBA (@TheAthleticNBA) [URL="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/status/1548027587137458177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 15, 2022[/URL][/INDENT]

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA"]Twitter TheAthleticNBA[/URL]

[URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league"]Knicks assistant coach Johnny Bryant, who is very close with Mitchell, indeed secured multiple interviews during Utah’s recent coaching search but did not advance to the final stage before the job went to Boston Celtics assistant Will Hardy.[/URL] Utah’s reported finalists for the job alongside Hardy were Toronto’s Adrian Griffin, Boston’s Joe Mazzulla and Jazz holdover assistant Alex Jensen.
– via [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league"]Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com[/URL]

pg Sexton/Quickley/Forrest/Butler(Stars)/McBride(Stars)
sg Horton-Tucker/Grimes/Keels(roster, two way or stash?)(Stars?)/Darryl Morsell(Exhibit 10)(Stars)
sf Nickeil/Bolambo(Stars)/Juang(2way)(Stars)/Usher(exhibit10)(Stars)/Williams(exhibit 10)(Stars)
pf Vanderbilt/Toppin/Paschall
c Udoka/Kessler(Stars or rotation?)/Cockburn(exhibit 10)(Stars)

Butler or Quickley become expendable if they get Sexton to lead the tank.

[url]https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/07/jazz-reportedly-asking-knicks-for-three-players-six-first-rounders-in-mitchell-talks.html[/url]

[QUOTE]The Jazz would have to take back at least one sizeable contract from New York to match Mitchell’s $30.35MM salary for next season. That probably won’t be [B][URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randlju01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-"]Julius Randle[/URL][/B] ($23.76MM in 2022/23), according to one of Larsen’s sources, who says that [B][URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fournev01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-"]Evan Fournier[/URL][/B] ($18MM) or [B][URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-"]Derrick Rose[/URL][/B] ($14.52MM) is more likely to be included.

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Rose probably makes the most sense for both teams. Expiring and the Knicks have plenty of small guards without him

[URL]https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/contracts/[/URL]

says here Sneed got a two year deal. I don't think that would be guaranteed. Butler is expiring. He might be gone. Walker-Alexander up for extension. He's the biggest guard on the future roster I just made. Might be worth signing him to an extension if it's the right price for the tank. Got rotation experience on a tanking team already

pg Sexton/Quickley/Forrest/Butler(Stars)/McBride(Stars)
sg Grimes/Horton-Tucker/Sneed(2way(Stars)/Keels(roster, two way or stash?) (Stars?)/Morsell(Exhibit 10)(Stars)
sf Nickeil/Bolambo(Stars)/Juang(2way)(Stars)/Usher(exhibit10) (Stars)/Williams(exhibit 10)(Stars)
pf Vanderbilt/Toppin/Paschall
c Udoka/Kessler(Stars or rotation?)/Cockburn(exhibit 10)(Stars)