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[QUOTE=outofstomach;14646757]not even a conversation :lol[/QUOTE]
Oh yes it is, last years failure is a huge stain against Lebron. The history books will remember the 2021-'22 Lakers as a team that had 5 Hall of Famers and 5 players that will be on the NBA's 100th Anniversary Team and failed to make the play-in.
The 2001-2003 Washington Wizards had 1 HOFer and 1 player that will be on the 100th Anniversary Team.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646729]Yet his team still made the playoffs despite him missing more than 60 games that season. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
The Bulls did not want him to play that year. They wanted to lose and get a high pick. MJ forced his way onto the floor and carried a crappy team to the playoffs to the chagrin of the front office
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646768]Why did the Bulls still win 55 games without MJ in 94?[/QUOTE]
Simple. The team over achieved for a single season.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646768]Why did the Bulls still win 55 games without MJ in 94?[/QUOTE]
Only Lebronstans think not winning the championship is a successful season.
Did the '94 Bulls win it all?
[QUOTE=theman93;14646764]That's irrelevant when 60 games vs 56 games is a fair sample size. Especially when Jordan started in less games. The point here is winning %. MJ was .500 while Lebron was .446. Even though he was significantly worse.[/QUOTE]
Yet jordan has never led that team to the postseason at all. At least kong did in the recent seasons with the lakers somehow. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646766]Can someone explain to me how 09 and 10 LeBron won more games [/QUOTE]
Can you explain how 66-16 Lebron had home court advantage and lost in 6 to Dwight and the Magic?
Answer-He scared of Kobe
[QUOTE=Axe;14646774]Yet jordan has never led that team to the postseason at all. At least kong did in the recent seasons with the lakers somehow. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Lebron has now missed the playoffs 4x, twice as many as Jordan.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646756]We don't play what ifs. Fact is the Wizards didn't make the playoffs and MJ's Wizards years are largely looked as a stain on his legacy.
Deal with it.
You same guys also ignoring '09 & '10 LeBron won more games than '88 & '89 MJ despite having similar casts, why is that? Why couldn't MJ elevate his teammates back then like LeBron did?[/QUOTE]
If you're paying attention the logic extends both ways. They were similar individually, but Lebron was better at elevating his teams to more wins in the regular season. Not in the playoffs though as they both were eliminated in the ECSF and ECF.
The difference you're missing when we compare 09/10 vs 88/89 and 02 vs 22, is that Lebron is supposedly [B][I][U]significantly[/U][/I][/B] better individually at 37 than Jordan was at 38. And Lebron also had the better supporting cast. Yet couldn't lead his team to more wins than washed up Jordan. How is that?
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14646777]Lebron has now missed the playoffs 4x, twice as many as Jordan.[/QUOTE]
While the bulls made the 94 playoffs without him lmao.
Axe and co on a mission to bring down Jordan :oldlol:
Yet couldnt counter theman's points without ad hominems.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14646772]Simple. The team over achieved for a single season.[/QUOTE]
Nice cop out
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646781]Nice cop out[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=Axe;14646779]While the bulls made the 94 playoffs without him lmao.[/QUOTE]
Did they win the championship without him?
Did they even make the Finals without him?
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14646784]Did they win the championship without him?
Did they even make the Finals without him?[/QUOTE]
So why didn't mj do the same without pippen? All while having worse team records without him? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Axe;14646761]All you do here is nut-lick those who have the same opinions as yours. Bozo.[/QUOTE]
All you do here is nut-lick those who have the same opinion as yours. Loser.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646785]So why didn't mj do the same without pippen? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Were the mid 90's Knicks a dynasty that Pippen ran in to? Or was Bird's Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons a dynasty that MJ ran in to?
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14646771]The Bulls did not want him to play that year. They wanted to lose and get a high pick. MJ forced his way onto the floor and carried a crappy team to the playoffs to the chagrin of the front office[/QUOTE]
So you try to say that michael jordan was selfish bt? Interesting.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646785]So why didn't mj do the same without pippen? All while having worse team records without him? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Did the Bulls win the championship or make the Finals in their great successful 55-win 1994 season that you are so proud of?
[QUOTE=theman93;14646788]Were the mid 90's Knicks a dynasty that Pippen ran in to? Or was Bird's Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons a dynasty that MJ ran in to?[/QUOTE]
But those aren't dynasties coach. Since someone said 'dynasties' have to 'three-peat' first. :roll:
We are still waiting for an explanation from RRR3 (SATAN), Axe, and 1987_Lakers to the following:
MJ was 30-30 in the games he played in 2002. Lebron was 25-31 in the games he played in 2022. Yet Lebron is supposed to be the significantly better player, he is supposed to be significantly better at elevating his teammates, and he had a better roster on top of that which included Anthony Davis for half of the season. Explain.
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/DQgr77R/jordan.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/PQjQ4g0/lebron.png[/IMG]
If the excuse is that the 2002 Eastern Conference was significantly weaker than the 2022 Western Conference, then how come the 2022 Western Conference teams only won 1.4 more games on average than the 2002 Eastern Conference teams?
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14646787]All you do here is nut-lick those who have the same opinion as yours. Loser.[/QUOTE]
Eew snowflake.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14646790]Did the Bulls win the championship or make the Finals in their great successful 55-win 1994 season that you are so proud of?[/QUOTE]
Who had more successful trips in the postseason between the two without the other? Bozo.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646794]We are still waiting for an explanation from RRR3 (SATAN), Axe, and 1987_Lakers to the following:
MJ was 30-30 in the games he played in 2002. Lebron was 25-31 in the games he played in 2022. Yet Lebron is supposed to be the significantly better player, he is supposed to be significantly better at elevating his teammates, and he had a better roster on top of that which included Anthony Davis for half of the season. Explain.
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/DQgr77R/jordan.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/PQjQ4g0/lebron.png[/IMG]
If the excuse is that the 2002 Eastern Conference was significantly weaker than the 2022 Western Conference, then how come the 2022 Western Conference teams only won 1.4 more games on average than the 2002 Eastern Conference teams?[/QUOTE]
Lebronnies after that one
[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/duZqIgvaKZMAAAAM/ill-just-leave-now-the-simpsons.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Axe;14646791]But those aren't dynasties coach. Since someone said 'dynasties' have to 'three-peat' first. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Regardless of how you define it (I define both the Celtics and Pistons as one - as do many other reputable sources: [url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1198727-nba-history-5-dynasties-better-than-the-duncan-spurs-era[/url]) they were leaps and bounds better than the 90's Knicks.
Pippen wasn't doing anything vs those teams either.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646797]Who had more successful trips in the postseason between the two without the other? Bozo.[/QUOTE]
You can't honestly be this stupid.
Who was more successful? Jordan has 6 championships in 15 seasons = .400 championship success rate
Lebron has 4 championships in 19 seasons = .210 championship success rate
Lebron has played with considerable more quality teammates than Jordan has an yet Jordan is more successful in every way.
Any questions?
[QUOTE=theman93;14646802]Regardless of how you define it (I define both the Celtics and Pistons as one - as do many other reputable sources: [url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1198727-nba-history-5-dynasties-better-than-the-duncan-spurs-era[/url]) they were leaps and bounds better than the 90's Knicks.
Pippen wasn't doing anything vs those teams either.[/QUOTE]
I don't necessarily agree that they can't be dynasties, coach. But...
[Img]https://i.ibb.co/nDsdqfs/IMG-20220804-231900.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14646805]You can't honestly be this stupid.
Who was more successful? Jordan has 6 championships in 15 seasons = .400 championship success rate
Lebron has 4 championships in 19 seasons = .210 championship success rate
Any questions?[/QUOTE]
Dumb. We were talking about jordan and pippen there, you numbskull.
Which of the following players will along with LeBron, Kareem, Karl Malone and Duncan be better than Wizards jordon?
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
All they have to do is last that long and it's almost a given that they will be better than that poor, The Great Scott Pippen/Phil Jackson-less version of jordon.
So far, Durant, Curry and Kawhi have had plenty of rest and sat out plenty of games/seasons. Nowhere near as many as the near-5 full seasons jordon rested before he started playing with the Wizards. Even though he wasn't injured at all, by the way.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646794]We are still waiting for an explanation from RRR3 (SATAN), Axe, and 1987_Lakers to the following:
MJ was 30-30 in the games he played in 2002. Lebron was 25-31 in the games he played in 2022. Yet Lebron is supposed to be the significantly better player, he is supposed to be significantly better at elevating his teammates, and he had a better roster on top of that which included Anthony Davis for half of the season. Explain.
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/DQgr77R/jordan.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/PQjQ4g0/lebron.png[/IMG]
If the excuse is that the 2002 Eastern Conference was significantly weaker than the 2022 Western Conference, then how come the 2022 Western Conference teams only won 1.4 more games on average than the 2002 Eastern Conference teams?[/QUOTE]
Already answered try again
[QUOTE=Axe;14646808]I don't necessarily disagree that they can't be dynasties, coach. But...
[Img]https://i.ibb.co/nDsdqfs/IMG-20220804-231900.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Turns out I'm neither of those posters. What's your point? :roll:
[QUOTE=Axe;14646810]Dumb. We were talking about jordan and pippen there, you numbskull.[/QUOTE]
Would you like me to list all the talent Lebron has played with? It's considerably more.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646812]Already answered try again[/QUOTE]
Already refuted it try again
[QUOTE=theman93;14646813]Turns out I'm neither of those posters. What's your point? :roll:[/QUOTE]
You asked if either the celtics, the pistons or the knicks in the 80s and 90s were dynasties bt. And i just showed you that one. ;)
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14646815]Would you like me to list all the talent Lebron has played with? It's considerably more.[/QUOTE]
Lol moving the goalposts as usual.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646789]So you try to say that michael jordan was selfish bt? Interesting.[/QUOTE]
selfish for wanting to play and win games? :roll:
[QUOTE=theman93;14646816]Already refuted it try again[/QUOTE]
No, your refute was as weak as you saying Tatum > Luka
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646821]No, your refute was as weak as you saying Tatum > Luka[/QUOTE]
You had no answer for it, as usual.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646825]You had no answer for it, as usual.[/QUOTE]
You already admitted LeBron was better.
[QUOTE=Axe;14646808]I don't necessarily agree that they can't be dynasties, coach. But...
[Img]https://i.ibb.co/nDsdqfs/IMG-20220804-231900.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
The Spurs never won back-to-back let alone Three-Peat cheapening Lebrons strength of opponents.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14646820]selfish for wanting to play and win games? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Probably to win a scoring title despite missing 64 games that season. :yaohappy: