2023-24 NBA Season

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/keyonte-george-is-hurt-but-the-utah-jazz-may-just-chug-along-without-him-01hhkjxy8acn[/url]

[QUOTE]Now, if the Jazz keep playing guys like Dunn, Agbaji, and other players who can actually play defense, then the Jazz may just be able to turn this season around. And while that's not intended to be a knock on George, the Knicks game is proof that Hardy values one-dimensional offense over team defense, and George (Clarkson and Sexton) really gives Hardy options to do just that. Without those options, Hardy has to play guys who are more apt on defense, and that may just help the Jazz out long-term.

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seems to be the case. Even last night he refused to start Dunn and went back to Talen. Doesn't like Agbaji for some reason either. Both should start even if everyone is healthy

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2023/12/15/24002820/utah-jazz-trade-season-is-here-who-are-jazz-willing-to-part-with[/url]

[QUOTE]It’s obvious that the Jazz like what they have in Kessler and Agbaji, especially considering their age, but it might not be so obvious on the outside that the Jazz are heavily invested in Hendricks.

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it'd not obvious the coach likes them or anyone actually outside The Bum

[QUOTE]Though the Jazz were excited about the prospect of getting Collins from the Atlanta Hawks in exchange for Rudy Gay and a future second-round pick, he hasn’t performed as well as many would have hoped he would. Because of the size of his contract (he’s got two years and $53 million left on his deal after this season) it could be difficult to move him.

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He's been their 2nd or 3rd best player. Not sure what anyone was expecting? I'd say they thought of him as an asset when they got him and didn't expect him to be here long

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/3-player-who-could-be-additions-by-subtractions-for-the-utah-jazz-01hht0j4dt97[/url]

[QUOTE][h=2]Talen Horton-Tucker[/h][/QUOTE]

young with upside

[QUOTE][h=2]Jordan Clarkson[/h][/QUOTE]

sucks

[QUOTE][h=2]John Collins[/h][/QUOTE]

unless he embraces a bench role I can't see keeping him around

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2023/12/17/24004072/player-analysis-simone-fontecchio-bojan-bogdanovic-utah-jazz-nba-three-point-shooting-italian-player[/url]

[QUOTE][INDENT] “If you sort every NBA player with 100+ minutes in 2023-24 by the [B]AVERAGE OF THEIR RANKS[/B] in 6 catch-alls ([B]BPM, EPM, GmSc/Poss[/B], as well as the cumulative versions of each)”

29. Lauri Markkanen
105. Collin Sexton
143. Kelly Olynyk
153. Walker Kessler
178. Simone Fontecchio
201. Talen Horton-Tucker
212. John Collins
235. Jordan Clarkson
277. Kris Dunn
278. Ochai Agbaji
306. Keyonte George[/INDENT][/QUOTE]

any metric that doesn't have The Bum last is not a good one sorry

[QUOTE]Fontecchio’s specialty is the three-ball and off-ball movement to get open. While he had poor shooting splits his rookie seasons (.369/.330/795) his sophomore year (.458/.406/.87) is a whole other story. The 2nd year Italian is proving to Jazz fans and the whole league while he deserves to be a rotation-level player for the next few years.

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not sure he's a rotation player. Jazz are awful. The shooting splits are good but he's a 4 in today's game and he's been playing the 3

[url]https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/560117/9[/url]

don't want Lavine unless it's the only way to get rid of The Bum

The Detroit trade maybe. Suggs yes! OKC if there are enough picks for Danny

[QUOTE] So [URL="https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/12/18/24006001/nba-trade-rumors-oklahoma-city-thunder-lauri-markkanen"]what’s the line for an acceptable offer? My impression from talking to teams is that it’s something resembling the haul the Jazz received for Mitchell and Gobert: so, five-ish firsts and/or players of comparable value.[/URL] This is a lot for Markkanen in the sense that he doesn’t have postseason scoring success like Mitchell, or three Defensive Player of the Year trophies like Gobert.

– via [URL="https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/12/18/24006001/nba-trade-rumors-oklahoma-city-thunder-lauri-markkanen"]Kevin O'Connor @ The Ringer[/URL]


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He's a lot better than Mitchell. Certainly hasn't had the impact of Gobert



[QUOTE] [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274017/Contending-Teams-Reportedly-Interested-in-Acquiring-Jordan-Clarkson"]Jordan Clarkson is drawing the attention of contending teams,[/URL] according to Chris Haynes of Bleacher Report. “There are contending teams out there [who] are calling in, looking to see how they can get Jordan Clarkson. “Nothing serious as of right now, but there are contending teams out there who are interested in acquiring,” said Haynes.

– via [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274017/Contending-Teams-Reportedly-Interested-in-Acquiring-Jordan-Clarkson"]RealGM[/URL]


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please, please please!!! :cheers:

[url]https://kslsports.com/509006/utah-jazz-lauri-markkanen-trade/[/url]


[QUOTE]He is by no means a perfect player, but he checks so many critical boxes that are difficult to replace that I don’t know how you could realistically get equal value back, sans acquiring a superstar-caliber player.

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yet they traded Gobert who had a bigger impact than anyone in Jazz history that doesn't have a statue

[QUOTE]Then mix in the fact that he likes Utah, and his care factor matches his enormous talent, and you have a borderline generational player if he continues to develop (and he’s already pretty spectacular).

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Gobert was a generational defender

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/three-jordan-clarkson-trades-we-would-like-to-see-01hhzyh14cqv/2[/url]

yes to all. Hard to imagine a trade for The Bum I wouldn't like though

[url]https://kslsports.com/509089/utah-jazz-notes-grades-holiday-momentum/[/url]

[QUOTE][h=1]Jazz Notes Grades: Can Utah Build Off Of Holiday Momentum?[/h][/QUOTE]

are they trading The Bum?

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-utah-jazz-should-absolutely-keep-an-eye-on-the-ricky-rubio-situation-01hj4dzt5ymy[/url]

[QUOTE]The Cleveland Cavaliers may part ways with Ricky Rubio, and the Utah Jazz would be wise to scoop him up.

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God no!!! My guess is he's headed back to Spain and we've seen the last of The Matador

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/there-s-a-push-to-start-collin-sexton-over-keyonte-george-and-that-might-be-the-right-call-01hj4e5kpef9[/url]

[QUOTE][h=1]There's a push to start Collin Sexton over Keyonte George and that might be the right call[/h][/QUOTE]

He should start over The Bum. Dunn should start over George

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/salt-city-seven-vet-trade-watch-jazz-win-5-of-7-holiday-fun/[/url]

[QUOTE]But look: the Celtics can “monitor” Olynyk all they want, to use Marc Stein’s term. The reality is that the new second apron rules make an Olynyk-to-Boston deal extremely unlikely. In order to bring in Olynyk, the Celtics would need to to send out at least $11.086M in salary. Doing that without sending one of their top six would literally require a 5-for-1 trade, and Utah isn’t going to waive a third of their roster to make a trade happen just so they can employ Svi Mykhailiuk for half a season.

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depends on how many picks are involved

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2023/12/26/24015232/step-in-the-right-direction-unpacking-the-jazzs-recent-success[/url]

[QUOTE]According to PBP Stats, the Jazz are winning by a whopping 20.07 points in the 127 minutes Kessler and Dunn have shared the court. It’s intriguing if we’ll see more of them inserted by Coach Hardy in different units moving forward.

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Dunn likely won't play tonite and Kessler will still be coming off the bench with Ochai in limited minutes :facepalm

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2023/12/26/24015261/utah-jazz-vs-san-antonio-spurs-jazz-hopes-to-continue-their-winning-streak[/url]

[QUOTE]The squad is finally getting their groove after collecting five wins in the last seven games to hold a 12-18 record. Good news is today might be the return of guards Keyonte George and Talen Horton-Tucker to the lineup. Coinciding with that is the fine play of Kris Dunn recently, tallying a total of 23 assists the past two games. Intriguing how Coach Hardy will rotate his guards.

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Not much doubt. Huge minutes for his fave, none for Dunn and limited for the others

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-utah-jazz-may-have-found-the-right-lineup-finally-01hjm8wvh022[/url]

Dunn won't play tonite. Sexton will be back to inconsistent minutes

[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/step-in-the-right-direction-unpacking-the-jazz-s-recent-success/ar-AA1m3TD0?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=6064e36fcae148c4b89f3f8119daf647&ei=18"]Step in the right direction: Unpacking the Jazz’s recent success (msn.com)[/URL]

nice try but the main reason is injuries and Hardy having to play guys he doesn't like instead of his faves like The Bum

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-utah-jazz-are-clearly-better-off-without-talen-horton-tucker-01hjs3z75ts5[/url]

Talen 23 The Bum old. One sucks. One has upside :facepalm

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2023/12/26/24015209/utah-jazz-player-analysis-utah-jazzs-2nd-best-player-lauri-markkanen-jordan-clarkson-walker-kessler[/url]

[QUOTE][B]2. Jordan Clarkson: [/B]Placing Clarkson at #2 is controversial because this is Clarkson’s worst statistical year with the Jazz. Clarkson is shooting at a poor clip and for some games has played with no energy and had bad body language. That being said, the Jazz are far more likely to win when Clarkson has a good game. Clarkson is still the Jazz’s best guard because of his mix of being able to self-create and ability to find others for open looks. At this point, no other player on the team can create like Clarkson. What Clarkson brings to the table is a discount version of a star like Zach LaVine or Bradley Beal. The Jazz desperately need a player to fill the self-creating star guard role and Clarkson, despite his flaws, is the best player to fill that role. [/QUOTE]

:roll:

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-utah-jazz-should-consider-making-kris-dunn-a-bigger-part-of-their-future-01hjvexabt0w[/url]

more likely he'll be traded

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/john-collins-needs-to-be-back-on-the-bench-for-the-utah-jazz-01hjvexemk8v[/url]

[QUOTE]No matter the fact that the Jazz are better with him on the bench. No matter the fact that Collins is struggling to play well, or even put in any real effort. Collins has fallen so far from his expectations this offseason that it doesn't make sense to still put him over the likes of Kelly Olynyk.

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3 bigs makes no sense. Start Agbaji

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2023/12/30/24008650/opinion-the-utah-jazz-should-trade-for-trae-young[/url]

no thanks

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2023/12/30/24019027/5-observations-from-utah-jazz-lineup-duos-this-season[/url]

[QUOTE]But that may speak more to the competent players surrounding him than strictly Talen’s on court contributions. Talen successfully commands competent units. This may point to why Will Hardy (who’s been unapologetic in his intentions to win every game) has regularly found opportunities for THT.

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yet he thinks The Bum is his best player! :facepalm

[QUOTE]It’s not readily understood why this is. Many other duos struggle with Markkanen and Dunn’s only other pairing worth noting is with Ochai Agbaji. More investigation is needed into what is contributing to its success (could just be shooting luck or opponent strength).

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their best defender and playmaker. Not too hard to figure.

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/no-utah-jazz-player-is-more-inconsistent-from-night-to-night-than-jordan-clarkson-01hjvex4nw0h[/url]

[QUOTE][h=1]No Utah Jazz player is more inconsistent from night to night than Jordan Clarkson[/h][/QUOTE]

I'd say he's been one of their most consistent since they got him. Sucks almost always. Hard to beat that

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/sports-illustrated-drops-3-names-the-utah-jazz-should-consider-and-we-want-all-of-them-01hjxzhven3n[/url]

be funny if Hayward came back. Fans still boo him :facepalm

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-utah-jazz-have-to-keep-these-players-ahead-of-the-trade-deadline-01hjxzbrnd33[/url]

no one is untouchable if you can trade Gobert

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/any-trade-coming-out-of-utah-should-focus-on-jordan-clarkson-and-john-collins-01hk0q58zjt9[/url]

I'd be looking to move everyone but their 5 young firsts if the price is right. Hendricks, Kessler and Agbaji need to play for sure

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/trading-for-trae-young-would-compound-the-issues-the-utah-jazz-are-already-dealing-with-01hk0pyvkaxw[/url]

Agreed. Lauri and Murray makes you a good team assuming The Bum is out and Hardy has a clue which he doesn't

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/sc7-jan1-lineup-sexton-ghost/[/url]

[QUOTE]George hasn’t been part of too many successful duos and trios. The rookie battled some shooting woes before his injury absence, but mostly the issue with those groups has been on the defensive end. In particular, the George-Kessler pairing (-19.1 per 100) has been worrisome, but given the importance of both in the long-term, I think they’ll give it more looks. George-Simone Fontecchio lineups (-16.4) and George-Collins (-15.8) have also had rough early results.

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he should probably be with the Stars at least until they hopefully trade The Bum. Talen should play over him. I think Hendricks offers more right now and probably in the future. Really high on him. Was a lot more aggressive and confident in his return to the Stars after his stint. High IQ, bounce to go along with the physical attributes. Danny needs to fix the roster! George might be the next Trey Burke but I doubt it

[QUOTE]Of the main rotation guys, George’s net rating is best when playing with Markkanen (-2.6) or Kris Dunn (+18.4, but on limited minutes).

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At least it appears Hardy has finally got a clue about Dunn

[QUOTE]The Jazz’s five [URL="https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612762/lineups-advanced?CF=MIN*GE*50&GroupQuantity=3"]best trios with at least 50 minutes[/URL] all involve Kris Dunn. The top trios also are extremely likely to include Markkanen, Kessler, Ochai Agbaji and Talen Horton-Tucker.

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and Lauri is the only one that Hardy seems to really like. :facepalm

[QUOTE]Collin Sexton’s duos and trios are mostly pretty middling on a season-long basis, but in his last 10 games as a starter, he’s been part of [URL="https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612762/lineups-advanced?GroupQuantity=3&LastNGames=10"]several winning trios[/URL], generally with THT and/or Kessler involved.

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The Bum offers you nothing over Sexton. He should start with Dunn, Lauri, Kessler and Agbaji

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/1/1/24021479/nba-new-years-resolutions-for-the-utah-jazz-2024[/url]

[QUOTE]Setting a goal that isn’t fully within your control is always a terrible idea, but I’ve lumped these two together because this really will be the most important thing for them in 2024. Unfortunately the way things are trending, this may not happen until next season. Hopefully they’ll see more opportunities to grow their game and be ready to contribute sooner rather than later. Both have shown flashes in the G-League and Hendricks has been an impact defender when given the opportunity in NBA minutes.

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Be shocked if Hendricks isn't playing after the trade deadline. Probably Sensabaugh too but Danny has some work to do

[QUOTE]I feel like the worst kept secret this year is that the Jazz want to trade at least one of their excess guards. In the meantime, said guards that are likely to be traded will continue getting minutes over Dunn until that trade occurs. Kris has been solid for the Jazz this year, especially with his defense and lack of turnovers. I think his role will increase quite a bit once we’re past the trade deadline and minutes open up for him.

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I'd guess teams would want Dunn. Great defender and playmaker. Could help anyone

[QUOTE]Take the highlight posted above. Was it a cool layup? Sure. Was it the right basketball decision? Absolutely not.

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and yet The Bum is treated like The 2nd Coming :roll:

[QUOTE]Resolution: Remember how to shoot a basketball

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never could shoot to begin with

[url]https://kslsports.com/509382/ksl-sports-utah-jazz-mailbag-who-is-the-team-mvp/[/url]

[QUOTE]“We could sit here and everybody could fill out a card right now, like hey, rank the guys 1-15 and there would be some variance. I imagine Lauri would probably be number one on everybody’s card and then after that, it’s kind of all a little bit subjective.”

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and yet it would appear that The Bum is your guy :facepalm

[QUOTE]Hardy is right, Markkanen is the Jazz’s top player, but beyond that, there are arguments for Jordan Clarkson, Collin Sexton, Kelly Olynyk, and maybe even Keyonte George as the Jazz’s second-best player this season.

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there are no arguments for The Bum or the rookie

[QUOTE]Under that definition, I would say Will Hardy has been the Jazz’s MVP, and that’s a great sign for the team’s fans.

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:roll:

[QUOTE]The reason they are where they are is because Hardy has kept the team’s belief in itself high enough that once they got healthy, and the schedule eased up from the gauntlet to start the year, they feel there is something to play for.

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The injuries are the main reason. Dunn and Sexton wouldn't be starting otherwise and The Bum and George would be

[QUOTE]Bringing both Clarkson and Kessler off the bench in favor of Olynyk and Sexton has improved the contributions from all four of those players, and it’s raised the Jazz’s ceiling considerably.

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the front court starters outside Lauri and it would appear Collins change every game. You forgot Dunn and George

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/at-this-exact-moment-are-the-utah-jazz-buyers-or-sellers-at-the-deadline-01hk0yqxzpc8[/url]

They can get better now and in the future by subtraction. Hendricks, Kessler and Agbaji need to play for sure

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/was-trading-for-john-collins-a-mistake-for-the-utah-jazz-01hk5x0fxyx1[/url]

I think they saw him as an asset and he is more valuable now than when they got him

[url]https://thejnotes.com/posts/if-austin-reeves-is-out-in-los-angeles-should-the-utah-jazz-make-a-play-for-him-01hk8f7y1cbp[/url]

Please! Lakers can have The Bum :roll:

[QUOTE] Michael Scotto: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Utah Jazz agreed to a two-way deal with guard Jason Preston,[/URL] league sources told @*********.

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto"]Twitter MikeAScotto[/URL]




Michael Scotto: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Utah Jazz have waived guard Josh Christopher,[/URL] team says.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto"]Twitter MikeAScotto[/URL]


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interesting. Christopher is young and looks like he has a lot of talent

Played for the Clippers a bit last year. 24 years old. Shoots the 3. His Gleague numbers have went up this year on a different team. Almost doubled his rebounds at 10.4 at 6'4. 8.4 assists. His points have went down but shooting better across the board and getting to the line more. Steals have tripled. Turnovers up but still only 2.4. Looks like he's probably a pg. He didn't shoot well at the line in college now over 80%

2nd round pick of Clipps . Had foot surgery before last season.

Michael Scotto: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Utah Jazz signed Jason Preston to a two-year, two-way deal,[/URL] league sources told @*********. Preston will receive the maximum two-way guarantee amount for next season as part of the deal.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto"]Twitter MikeAScotto[/URL]

[url]https://kslsports.com/509668/what-does-the-utah-jazz-trade-deadline-look-like/[/url]

[QUOTE]Outside of Markkanen, Clarkson is the guy I can point to most regularly and say “The Jazz don’t win that game if he doesn’t have that performance.”

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why is it that they started playing well with him out and have continued to do so with him coming off the bench? :roll:

[QUOTE]I think Olynyk, Walker Kessler, and Keyonte George deserve honorable mention, but it’s between Clarkson and Sexton through the halfway point of the season.

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The Bum brings you nothing that Sexton doesn't do better. You forgot Collins

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2024/1/9/24030460/utah-jazz-coach-will-hardy-has-done-a-lot-of-lineup-and-rotation-experimenting-with-the-jazz[/url]

why the need to experiment? I said Dunn was the guy from the get-go and Sexton makes the most sense next to him since Agbaji is really you're only 3 not that the coach has figured that one out yet nor that Kessler should play as well or Hendricks...

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/salt-city-um-eight-what-the-surge-means-triple-double-fun-more/[/url]

[QUOTE]That’s the total number of points scored in Jazz-Pistons on Wednesday, which [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops/status/1742776910621573446"]per the fantastic Ben Anderson[/URL] is the most combined points in a Jazz game in history. There was just very little effective defense played on either end of the court. It was the Jazz’s best single game offensive efficiency of the year (141.3), but also one of their three worst defensive outings (131.0).

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surprising since the coach seems to only care about offense