Israel Appears Ready to Attack Iran, Officials in U.S. and Europe Say

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015411]

Iran is a major power center when it comes to our Islamic adversaries, so if Trump and his allies (handlers) believe the west is in a position of strength to weaken the mothership without much cost to us then what's the problem? If the cost becomes too great and the war ends up jeopardizing the safety and stability of our country, then sure it will have been a colossal failure and Trump will go out in shame. But do we know that's bound to happen?

What if Iran is defeated handily and without much sacrifice? You think the average person is going to care? I don't.[/QUOTE]

iran isn't our adversary. that's a deep state propaganda tool to fool americans into getting onboard with what we're facilitating in the middle east on behalf of israel. iran is [I]israel's[/I] adversary and they're leveraging [I]our[/I] size and strength in order wipe, what they see, as their enemies off the map and establish supremacy in the middle east. this is in regard to both iran and what they've been carrying out in gaza and the west bank.

israel wouldn't be doing what it's doing right now if they weren't reasonably confident that they had complete control over washington. if and when israel decides to declare that this conflict, that they started, is existential for them and the lobby presents the white house with that fait accompli, we'll have no choice at that point but to get involved. do you not see how this is a problem for us? the risk that this poses in today's world is too great... if we become directly involved, the temptation for other states to do so will be overwhelming. not the least of which being russia and china as you already mentioned due to their dependence on the oil & gas that comes through the persian gulf and won't allow the us to take control of, but also the other muslim states in the region because they'll see themselves as being next on the chopping block. russia has already been subjected to this by the same western warmongers. there's no appreciation for the depth of hostility and the readiness to push back against us that exists today in the world and iran has the potential to bring about that shitstorm.

[QUOTE=TheMan;15015442]I will give Baller234 credit for showing his face here though, all the other MAGATs are hiding because they were duped by Trump. Baller234 is embarrassing himself but at least he ain't hiding like the other rats like Chewing, Hey Yo, AW etc[/QUOTE]

baller knows better. he's too smart to not see this for what it is. he just can't get over his loyalty to trump until he absolutely has to.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15015465]baller knows better. he's too smart to not see this for what it is. he just can't get over his loyalty to trump until he absolutely has to.[/QUOTE]

cult status

[QUOTE=diamenz;15015465]baller knows better. he's too smart to not see this for what it is. he just can't get over his loyalty to trump until he absolutely has to.[/QUOTE]

What am I supposed to see? That Trump is Israel's lap dog?

Are you saying he's totally subservient to Israel and has no autonomy?

[QUOTE=diamenz;15015463]iran isn't our adversary. that's a deep state propaganda tool to fool americans into getting onboard with what we're facilitating in the middle east on behalf of israel. iran is [I]israel's[/I] adversary and they're leveraging [I]our[/I] size and strength in order wipe, what they see, as their enemies off the map and establish supremacy in the middle east. this is in regard to both iran and what they've been carrying out in gaza and the west bank.

israel wouldn't be doing what it's doing right now if they weren't reasonably confident that they had complete control over washington. if and when israel decides to declare that this conflict, that they started, is existential for them and the lobby presents the white house with that fait accompli, we'll have no choice at that point but to get involved. do you not see how this is a problem for us? the risk that this poses in today's world is too great... if we become directly involved, the temptation for other states to do so will be overwhelming. not the least of which being russia and china as you already mentioned due to their dependence on the oil & gas that comes through the persian gulf and won't allow the us to take control of, but also the other muslim states in the region because they'll see themselves as being next on the chopping block. russia has already been subjected to this by the same western warmongers. there's no appreciation for the depth of hostility and the readiness to push back against us that exists today in the world and iran has the potential to bring about that shitstorm.[/QUOTE]

If Iran is Israel's adversary wouldn't that make them our adversary too? Is Israel not our representative in the region? Just as China has a vested interest in the survival of Iran, doesn't the U.S. have a vested interest in the survival of Israel?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015470]If Iran is Israel's adversary wouldn't that make them our adversary too? [B]Is Israel not our representative in the region?[/B] Just as China has a vested interest in the survival of Iran, doesn't the U.S. have a vested interest in the survival of Israel?[/QUOTE]

This is the entire point I think. Why do we need a "representative" in the region? It's not our region and shouldn't have anything to do with us.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15015471]This is the entire point I think. Why do we need a "representative" in the region? It's not our region and shouldn't have anything to do with us.[/QUOTE]

If Israel were wiped off the map, do you think that would be a good thing for us? Would that hurt our standing on the global stage?

Why did we help the British and the French during World War II? It's not our war. It's not our region.


If we turn our back on Israel, then Israel gets wiped off the map.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15015481][B]Why did we help the British and the French during World War II? It's not our war. It's not our region.[/B]


If we turn our back on Israel, then Israel gets wiped off the map.[/QUOTE]

Are you REALLY using that analogy? :lol

So weak, man. Go back and look at when and why we entered the war. For several years the mindset is no, it wasn't our region or our business. Until something very specific happened to us at the hands of one of the axis powers that you may or may not recall...

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015479]If Israel were wiped off the map, do you think that would be a good thing for us? [I]Would that hurt our standing on the global stage?[/I][/QUOTE]

Short answer? No, not really. Especially if you don't believe that we are borderline controlled by them.

As it is though, tt would perhaps hurt us internally (and thus externally) because many of the powers that be in this country are intertwined with Israel and if we let that happen shit would go down.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15015486]Are you REALLY using that analogy? :lol

So weak, man. Go back and look at when and why we entered the war. For several years the mindset is no, it wasn't our region or our business. Until something very specific happened to us at the hands of one of the axis powers that you may or may not recall...[/QUOTE]


Are you referring to Pearl Harbor? Well, that was the Japanese, son. But why did we go to France and England and Germany to defeat the Germans? Not our region. Not our war.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15015488]Are you referring to Pearl Harbor? Well, that was the Japanese, son. But why did we go to France and England and Germany to defeat the Germans? Not our region. Not our war.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm wow

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15015488]Are you referring to Pearl Harbor? Well, that was the Japanese, son. But why did we go to France and England and Germany to defeat the Germans? Not our region. Not our war.[/QUOTE]

You should probably watch a few more WWII documentaries :lol

Or better yet, read a few books. A lot more detail in those.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15015487]Short answer? No, not really. Especially if you don't believe that we are borderline controlled by them.

As it is though, tt would perhaps hurt us internally (and thus externally) because many of the powers that be in this country are intertwined with Israel and if we let that happen shit would go down.[/QUOTE]

Okay I'll bite. Let's say Israel is really running the show and that they have their hooks in Trump and all the top U.S. officials. What does Israel have to gain by starting WW3? Don't they jeopardize themselves as well? What's their brilliant plan then?

Genuinely asking here.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015495]Okay I'll bite. Let's say Israel is really running the show and that they have their hooks in Trump and all the top U.S. officials. [B]What does Israel have to gain by starting WW3?[/B] Don't they jeopardize themselves as well? What's their brilliant plan then?

Genuinely asking here.[/QUOTE]

Who said they'd want that?

I don't know what their plan is, but it certainly doesn't benefit us.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15015497][B]Who said they'd want that?[/B]

I don't know what their plan is, but it certainly doesn't benefit us.[/QUOTE]

Isn't that literally what everyone is saying?

If the risk of WW3 is off the table, what's the problem then? Why wouldn't US/Israel take this opportunity to strengthen their position and strike a powerful blow to one of it's enemies?

so trump is likely going to go through with it


[QUOTE]BREAKING via ABC NEWS

“President Donald Trump is getting comfortable with the idea of taking out Iran's Fordo nuclear facility. It would not be just one strike on the facility, it would be several. There is now a movement to get ready for this.”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Trump pressed aides on whether the bunker-buster plan to bomb Iran's Fordow nuclear facility will work. Pentagon officials told him they were confident it would.
@MarcACaputo
and I write for
@axios[/QUOTE]

its wild that the entire premise of this conflict is blatantly false and actually just a projection, bc israel actually has nukes and has proven to be more reckless than iran. :facepalm

[IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/9xuch0.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15015494]You should probably watch a few more WWII documentaries :lol

Or better yet, read a few books. A lot more detail in those.[/QUOTE]

Nope. It's the same damn reason why we aid our allies today. To never allow a country like Nazi Germany to move on other nations like that again.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15015518][IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/9xuch0.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

The dumbest take ever. The people of Iran want their leadership deposed. You're supporting a terrorist state that oppresses its people. How are you so twisted on this issue that you're supporting Iran??

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15015521]The dumbest take ever. The people of Iran want their leadership deposed. You're supporting a terrorist state that oppresses its people. How are you so twisted on this issue that you're supporting Iran??[/QUOTE]
ahhh yes. according to western media. i wonder who controls them. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=highwhey;15015522]ahhh yes. according to western media. i wonder who controls them. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

So Iran is the hero in your story?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015455]Who gives af what other countries think? Who says there's honor in war when dealing with a hostile enemy? Those countries are not our allies. There are already plenty of countries in the region eager and willing to do business with us and none of them give a shit about Iran. We go through leaders every 4-8 years so deals are expected to be renegotiated.

US/Israel isn't engaging in this war purely out of virtue, I would never assume that, but dealing a powerful blow to the anti-western radical Islamic power structure IS a bonus and a net positive for the world. The question is at what cost. If the cost is too high then I imagine everyone will turn on Trump, but if the cost is barely noticeable you might see the opposite. Long term it could cement his legacy.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015524]So Iran is the hero in your story?[/QUOTE]

nah, iran was just provoked after being accused of being close to having a nuke for the 100th time (netanyahu has been making that claim since the 90s btw, there's video). israel attacked them and started this conflict. israel has killed like 70 palestinians in the past 24 hours btw, unarmed civialians.

you're an idiot though so i will end this here.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15015526]nah, iran was just provoked after being accused of being close to having a nuke for the 100th time (netanyahu has been making that claim since the 90s btw, there's video). israel attacked them and started this conflict. israel has killed like 70 palestinians in the past 24 hours btw, unarmed civialians.

you're an idiot though so i will end this here.[/QUOTE]

The meme you shared was clearly intended to frame Iran as the hero.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015528]The meme you shared was clearly intended to frame Iran as the hero.[/QUOTE]

well that's just your conscience projecting to you the reality of the situation. the jews have wrangled in trump, likely using blackmail, to end this conflict. iran is about to be steamrolled by a world super power, no allies standing behind their back. meanwhile, israel who began this entire conflict, pulled a draymond after game 7 loss calling KD in tears to help him out. dumb bitches couldn't finish what they started so they are relying on american taxpayer dollars to finish this for them.

there is no hero in this conflict, but if we had to assign likeness of one, it sure as hell isn't the aggressors (israel, us).

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015469]What am I supposed to see? That Trump is Israel's lap dog?

Are you saying he's totally subservient to Israel and has no autonomy?[/QUOTE]

Ding ding ding!!!

The Neo Cons at the Pentagon want war, that's their nature...I honestly don't think Trump is really excited about going to war again but no one has mentioned this here but I think it's worth mentioning...Epstein, along with being a pedo and Trump's bestie for over a decade, was also Mossad, and boy do they have some real serious and dark shit on Trump if Bibi is stringing him along by the nose this effortlessly...if that's the case, war is a guarantee.

And it's going to be a world class clusterfukk

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15015519]Nope. It's the same damn reason why we aid our allies today. To never allow a country like Nazi Germany to move on other nations like that again.[/QUOTE]

Okay I won’t explain the scope of WWII to you and Japans part in it.

Just going off of what you’ve said…who Nazi Germany here?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015470]If Iran is Israel's adversary wouldn't that make them our adversary too? Is Israel not our representative in the region? Just as China has a vested interest in the survival of Iran, doesn't the U.S. have a vested interest in the survival of Israel?[/QUOTE]

our "representative" in the region? of what exactly? mass murder and ethnic cleansing?

you're asking me if china's interests in keeping their economy stable and humming is comparable to the so called intelligence that we get from israel in regard to things like iraqi wmd's and failing to prevent some broke ass thugs from carrying out oct 7th?

[QUOTE=TheMan;15015530]Ding ding ding!!!

The Neo Cons want war at the Pentagon, that's their nature...I honestly don't think Trump is really excited about going to war again but no one has mentioned this here but I think it's worth mentioning...Epstein, along with being a pedo and Trump's bestie for over a decade, was also Mossad, and boy do they have some real serious and dark shit on Trump if Bibi is stringing him along by the nose...if that's the case, war is a guarantee.

And it's going to be a world class clusterfukk[/QUOTE]

So Trump is owned by Israel because they're holding the Epstein stuff over him and that's why he can't rein them in?

Okay I'll bite again. Let's assume that's the case, didn't Israel start going ham under Biden's watch first? How come he didn't rein them in either? Was he on the Epstein tapes playing footsies with minors too?

Again genuinely asking here.

this shouldn't be a hard choice but if you don't want to take it from me, you've got the actual america first crowd among the likes of steve bannon, tucker carlson and MTG arguing against all of this and then you have ben shapiro and the fox news neocons on the other side arguing for it. if that doesn't clue you in, then i don't know what else to tell you.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15015518][IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/9xuch0.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

The scary thought isn't only Iran, Pakistan, a nuclear power is warning Israel to stop their aggression vs Iran or face dire consequences. Then behind Iran you have the Russians and Chinese...this is pure insanity.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15015535]this shouldn't be a hard choice but if you don't want to take it from me, you've got the actual america first crowd among the likes of steve bannon, tucker carlson and MTG arguing against all of this and then you have ben shapiro and the fox news neocons on the other side arguing for it. if that doesn't clue you in, then i don't know what else to tell you.[/QUOTE]

Huh? What kind of argument is this? I have agreed and disagreed with all of those individuals on a variety of subjects.

I'm supposed to get in line because MTG said so?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015539][B]Huh? What kind of argument is this? I have agreed and disagreed with all of those individuals on a variety of subjects.

I'm supposed to get in line because MTG said so?[/B][/QUOTE]
you're getting in line bc trump said so pal. your lack of self awareness is astounding.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015524]So Iran is the hero in your story?[/QUOTE]

He's just trolling at this point. Ignore him.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015539]Huh? What kind of argument is this? I have agreed and disagreed with all of those individuals on a variety of subjects.

I'm supposed to get in line because MTG said so?[/QUOTE]

which group do you think is more aligned with america's interests?

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15015532]Okay I won’t explain the scope of WWII to you and Japans part in it.

Just going off of what you’ve said…who Nazi Germany here?[/QUOTE]

It's Iran and their proxies for sure. Combine that with all the neo-Nazis in the United States and right here on this forum, and it's pretty substantial opposition to Israel. But yeah, let's stand back and watch the Jews get decimated again.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015534]So Trump is owned by Israel because they're holding the Epstein stuff over him and that's why he can't rein them in?

Okay I'll bite again. Let's assume that's the case, didn't Israel start going ham under Biden's watch first? How come he didn't rein them in either? Was he on the Epstein tapes playing footsies with minors too?

Again genuinely asking here.[/QUOTE]

They were going ham on the Palestinians, they're easy targets. They're now going after their main enemy, Iran, coincidentally after Trump got in power and we all know the Zionists wanted Trump even when Biden was letting them run roughshod in Gaza. They clearly have dirt on Trump, and we will be going to war and this shit will be a disaster, for all parties involved.

After all the failures recently, it's insane you would even consider that Iran would fold easily and we wouldn't incur any "pain", as you put it. Gas prices would go through the roof immediately, and with that, everything else. Trump is playing with fire, but he's too dense to realize it.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15015540]you're getting in line bc trump said so pal. your lack of self awareness is astounding.[/QUOTE]

So then why bother debating at all?

Why don't you just say [B]"I'm right because (insert person here) says so.."[/B]

And then I'll respond by saying, [B]"I'm right because Donald Trump says so..."[/B]


This way we can stop having to worry about those pesky "facts" and just let our imaginations run wild.

It's about time for Kim Jong Un to enter this fight.



Axis of Evil my friends.... don't forget about North Korea.