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I don't think the NBA was watered down in quality players (even though the greatest players played in the mid 80's. hehe) but it was definitely watered down quality teams. In just 8 years the NBA added 6 NBA Teams. It was really the Bulls vs any1 else in that era. Just look at the '97 and '98 Jazz. You had Stockton and Malone but the 3rd best player on that team was Jeff Hornacek. And you had Greg Ostertag and Bryon Russell in the starting line up. That team would not get you in the NBA finals in the mid 80's. No Way!
Like i said before...
Better Teams: 80's > 90's
Better Players: 80's > 90's
Better Rivalries: 80's > 90's
80's was the greatest decade in NBA History nobody can argue!!!
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[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Let me give notice to you that Celtics played with a Combo Guard-Line Up
Ainge was a Better Shooter than DJ but Could Pass with PG Abbilities too
DJ was a Pure PG, Smarter, Defensive Player and was a Clutch Shooter. Could Rebound Asoume at 6`5 too.
Celtics would use their [U]Big Line Up[/U]:) to Kill the Bulls, Adding in Walton along Parish and McHale in the Frontline. So you have the following:
In their Prime:[/B]
[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]C: PARISH (17-20 ppg, 55-60%FG, 9-11 RPG) [/COLOR]v.s [COLOR="Red"]C: WILLIAMS (LONGLEY,WELL)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]CHIEF Wins Easy!:rolleyes: [/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]C-F: WALTON[/COLOR] ([U]Bulls Would have to Put in Another Center[/U] to Hold him from Rebounding and Scoring, And he Could Also Pass)
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Walton would Win That Roll Player! Plus Could Rebound, Block Shots, Had Clutch Game and from that Spot Could CREATE ASSITS :) [/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]PF: McHALE 6`10 (18-26 PPG, 60.4%Fg%, 8-9 RPG)[/COLOR] vs PF: RODMAN/GRANT
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]McHale Not Only Wins, Schools!!!. Id Suggest The Bulls Put in CENTER to Guard McHales 6`10 ft [U]Post Play [/U]and his 7`2f t Arm Lenght :rolleyes: [/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]SG: BIRD 6`9 ft (3-Point Specialist, 29 PPG, 10 RPG, 6-8 ASPG)[/COLOR] vs [COLOR="Red"]KUKOC/PIPPEN[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Bird (could play both SG/SF) already Schooled Pippen a "Better Defender" than Kukoc at Age 33-35:rolleyes: [U]PAST HIS PHYSICAL PIME and AFTER HIS BACK INJURY[/U]. Kukoc would Guard him Well in the Post due to Height but he [U]Would Not Outrebound Him, Would Not Stop him from Scoring from A Far and Would Definetly Not Sop him from Getting PG ASSIT TYPE NUMBERS and Making His Team Better[/U]. Also If You have a 1979 to 1986 Bird: Then you had a Much Faster Bird with a Back :oldlol:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]PG: DJ (Defensive Player, a G Stopper, Assiter, Rebounder, Clutch Shooter)[/COLOR] vs [COLOR="Red"]Jordan (SG/PG)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]This is the only SPOT where the Bulls would win. But Jordan would be Slowed Down but DJs Witty Game and would have to Work if DJ Posted Him Up. DJ had a Fat Ass and was Great Rebounder for 6`5 ft. Jordan would win the 1 on 1 Game Obviously but he would Suffer in the Slow Front-Court Game with DJ. Then the Celtics would just Bring in DANNY AINGE to Make Jordan Run More and Danny would Get his Shots Off due to the Pick and Rolls designed by PARSIH, WALTON, McHALE and BIRD.[/COLOR]
[U][COLOR="Navy"]So here it is:
[U] If THE CELTICS BRING IN THEIR "TALL TEAM"[/U]. As They Did v.s The 1986 Rockets which had HAKEEM and SAMSON = Same Team that Beat a PRIME MAGIC, WORTHY, SCOTT, GREEN and also KAREEM still scoring 23-26 PPG at a 53 TO 56% FG)...
HOW CAN THE BULLS WIN? :rolleyes: :hammerhead:[/COLOR] [/U]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]CELTICS = DOMINATE 4 SPOTS[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]BULLS= DOMINATE 1 SPOT[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]1986 CELTICS and Their BIG LINE UP [/COLOR]that Could Play [U]BOTH FAST AND SLOW TEMPO[/U] would [COLOR="DarkGreen"]OWN [/COLOR]the [COLOR="Red"]1996 BULLS[/COLOR]...EASY:confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]
:violin:
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Re: 80's vs 90's
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]And if the '86 Celtics played in the mid 90's they would have won even more games because of...
A. Diluted NBA. weaker competition.
B. The Celtics were the greatest Half Court team in NBA history and with a slower paced mid 90's NBA they would have used it to their advantage.[/QUOTE]
[B]Amen :violin:
[B]Just Imagine their Big Line Up like Agains the Rockets in 1986 with
McHale-Parish and Walton. They would Destroyed the Bulls frontline!
Plus you also had Bird that could Play SG or SF and Still Get Triple Doubles and high Scoring Games in his Prime and DJ/Ainge Trading Spots throught the game (to tire off Jordan) and Maxwell coming in to damage offensively from the SG/SF spots too [/B]
No Question. 1986 Celtics Would Own the 1996 Bulls :rockon: [/B]
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[QUOTE=Sir Charles]1980s = Greatest Era in NBA History. Period. End of Discussion:rockon: :confusedshrug:[/B][/QUOTE]
"The 80s" is not an era, so you should stop pretending like it was. It's not like the league magically changed when the calendar hit 1980 or 1990. An "era" has to have something distinct and definitive about it, otherwise you cannot define it as an era. The greatest era could be contended as 1985-1993.
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[QUOTE=72-10]"The 80s" is not an era, so you should stop pretending like it was. It's not like the league magically changed when the calendar hit 1980 or 1990. An "era" has to have something distinct and definitive about it, otherwise you cannot define it as an era. The greatest era could be contended as 1985-1993.[/QUOTE]
Well it's definitely the greatest DECADE.:rockon:
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I call the Celtics in six.
[B]If that :) [/B]
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[QUOTE=Sir Charles]No Question. 1986 Celtics Would Own the 1996 Bulls :rockon: [/B][/QUOTE]
No, they would not. They would have difficulty entering the ball into the post since the Bulls had indisputedly the best perimeter defense in NBA history. They also had most probably the best full court pressing defense in NBA history. How the hell does 86 Celtics vs. 96 Bulls have relevance to this thread?
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Well it's definitely the greatest DECADE.:rockon:[/QUOTE]
Most probably, but that was established on about the 3rd page of this thread. Why do you insist on continually rambling on about it?
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[QUOTE=Sir Charles]I call the Celtics in six.
[B]If that :) [/B][/QUOTE]
:)
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Well it's definitely the greatest DECADE.:rockon:[/QUOTE]
[B]1980s = The Best Decade in BASKETBAL, MUSIC (ROCK, POP, HAD ROCK, METAL, PROG ROCK edgin with the 70s, SOUL AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSIC, COUNTRY ROCK), CARS, CLOTHES, MOVIES...:rockon:
1982 = BEST SOCCER WORLD CUP EVER too[/B]:applause:
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1980s was more like the worst decade in the history of recorded music, not even close to the best. Only the 00s come close to being as poor and lacking in consistent and overall quality.
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[QUOTE=72-10]1980s was more like the worst decade in the history of recorded music, not even close to the best. Only the 00s come close to being as poor and lacking in consistent and overall quality.[/QUOTE]
[B]Ok Compare AOR SINGERS and Legendary Compositions to Rock Pop of the 90s
Compare HARDROCK-METAL GUITARRIST AND SINGERS AND LEGENDARY BANDS to the 90s and 2000s Alternative Rock, Grunge, Rap Metal ****
Compare Soul/Hi Hop African American Artistsa like Turner, Lionel Ritchie, Quincy Jones = These ****ers Can Sing not the **** 90s and 200s, Rap Baggy Pant Bull****.
Compare DISCO POP 80s to Disco Pop 90s
Compare NEWAVE ROCK of the 80s to 90s
Compare Action-Teen-Comedy-Terror-Drama MOVIES of the 80s to the 90s[/B]
[B]No Contest Man. You Should be Shot For Saying 90s Music and 2000s is better than 1980s Music:rolleyes: [/B]
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Disco pop? :oldlol: LMAO that's like a cultural fad, not a musical genre. Disco does not exist in the 90s.
All forms of rock 'n' roll from the 90s were superior to those from the 80s.
The 1980s was largely devoid of creativity and originality. Pretty much the only thing creative to come from the 80s was hip-hop, which was more popular in the 90s.
The 60s and 70s crush the 80s in music, which is not even up for debate.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]LOL R U KIDDING ME?? The Celtics were the greatest Half Court Team in NBA History. They might have been better in a slow paced league like the mid 90's.
34 YEAR OLD LARRY BIRD WITH NO BACK vs Scottie Pippen
1990-91 regular season:
11-06-90. 24 Points. 11 Rebounds.
11-09-90. 23 Points. 8 Rebounds. 5 assist.
2-26-91. 12 points. 7 rebounds. 5 assist
3-31-91. 34 Points. 15 Rebounds. 8 assist
Can you imagine how bad Bird would of tourched Pippen in his prime?????[/QUOTE]
i tallied their stats and this is what i came up with head to head:
bird pippen
pts 24 22
rbd 8 7
ast 6 7
stl 1 3
blk 0 1
and note that on average bird took more shots than pippen, in that 34 pt game you stated, he took 36 shots. (his back wasnt hurting him that night) and shot about 41% and averaged 5 tos a game. credit pippens defense. now while bird was about 33 and past his prime, pippen was yet in his prime which to me started in 92-98. facts baby facts:)
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:confusedshrug: Disco pop? :oldlol: LMAO that's like a cultural fad, not a musical genre. Disco does not exist in the 90s.
[B]Ofcourse because 90s Sucked. No Elegant Singers, No Great Ballads. No Great Hits. No Emotion. Even the Disco was more modern sounding and Still More Emotional than the Techno **** of the 90s (and even Tecnho was an 80s Undeground Invention and Rap itself too)[/B]
All forms of rock 'n' roll from the 90s were superior to those from the 80s.
[B]Are you insane or dumb?:oldlol: [/B]
[B][SIZE="4"]Compare: JUDAS PRIEST, IRON MAIDEN, SAXON, RAINBOW, DIO, SABBATH, ACCEPT, DOKKEN, WHITESANKE, SCORPIONS, TNT, EUROPE, METALLICA, MEGADETH, OVERKILL, ANTHRAX, SLAYER, QUEENSRYCHE, SAVATAGE, MSG, MOTLEY CREW, KISS, WASP, TYGERS OF PANG TANG, GRIM REAPER, etc[/SIZE][/B]
[B]to: PEARLY JAMMY, LIMPBISKIT (****SKIT), NIRVANA, MARYLIN MANSON, RAP METAL hahahahaah[/B]
:hammerhead:
The 1980s was largely devoid of creativity and originality. Pretty much the only thing creative to come from the 80s was hip-hop, which was more popular in the 90s.
[B]CREATIVITY ACTUALLY EXISTED IN THE 80s :rolleyes: :confusedshrug: . MORE INNOVATION, SUPERIOR SINGERS, SUPERIOR GUITARRITS, SUPERIOR POP ROCK HITS. WAY MORE MODERN SOUNDING GUITARRS, SINGERS, BASS PLAYERS, SYNTHS etc.[/B]
[B]Compare AOR ROCK POP: FORIGNER, BOSTON, CHICAGO, SURVIVOR, HEART, ASIA, BALLARD, ROXXETE, BON JOVI etc to the Pop Ballad Hits of 90s and 2000s. Which had More Elegance, Superior Emotion, Ballads and Music Quality? [/B]
:hammerhead:
The 60s and 70s crush the 80s in music, which is not even up for debate
[B]60s = WAY INFERIOR
70s = MORE INNOVATIVE AND THE ROOT OF THE 80s is the 70s. Such as in Basketball Great 70s Players Played Along the Great Players of the 80s and in the 1990s ONLY 80s Players Dominated:). 1980s Respected the 1970s and Followed with the Same Style but More Modern and Yes MORE EMOTIONAL. MORE SOUL CRUNCHING because it was obviously the last Decade with Human Sensitivity :rolleyes: [/B]
[B][SIZE="4"]1980s SCHOOLS even in MUSIC :confusedshrug: [/SIZE][/B]
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]i tallied their stats and this is what i came up with head to head:
bird pippen
pts 24 22
rbd 8 7
ast 6 7
stl 1 3
blk 0 1
and note that on average bird took more shots than pippen, in that 34 pt game you stated, he took 36 shots. (his back wasnt hurting him that night) and shot about 41% and averaged 5 tos a game. credit pippens defense. now while bird was about 33 and past his prime, pippen was yet in his prime which to me started in 92-98. facts baby facts:)[/QUOTE]
[B]This was Bird at 33 years of age Imagine Bird at ages 23 to 30?:confusedshrug: [/B]
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[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Wrong the Celtics loved the Frontline-Post Up-Slow Game and Ruled The NBA with their Front-Line Witty Game. That is The Way they faced the Lakers (which was the ONLY Succesfull team playing A Fast Tempo Game, that is why they where called ShowTime because people loved their Winning at that Style). The Rest of the NBA Could Not Win With That Style, They Could Only Dream of Playing a Fast Paced Style and Beating Eastern Teams, Only the Lakers Could!
Plus in 1986 Celtics could Play both Styles and they Swept the Rockets with a HAKEEM-SAMSON (FRONTLINE!). The Team that Beat the 1986 Lakers with A PRIME MAGIC, A PRIME WORTHY and KAREEM still Scoring over 22-26 PPG with a FG% of 52-56% plus All The Crew: GREEN, SCOTT, COOPER etc[/B][/QUOTE]
What the hell are you talking about? 1st of all Cedric Maxwell never played with Bill Walton and 2nd The Rockets series went to 6 games hardly a sweep and that's a Rockets team playing without their starting point guard John Lucas. The '88 Pistons beat the Celtics in 6 and when you watch that series they should have swept the Celtics. And in 1987 if Adrian Dantley doesn't get hurt in Game 7 the Celtics don't win.
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[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]This was Bird at 33 years of age Imagine Bird at ages 23 to 30?:confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]
And that was Pippen at age 25 imagine Pippen at age 29-31 when he became the best SF in the league?:confusedshrug:
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It's rather clear that you don't know much about music, Sir Charles. I'm not going into a debate about it on a basketball discussion board. The 1960s and 1970s are so far ahead of all other decades in terms of music, it's laughable.
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[QUOTE=nycelt84]What the hell are you talking about? 1st of all Cedric Maxwell never played with Bill Walton and 2nd The Rockets series went to 6 games hardly a sweep and that's a Rockets team playing without their starting point guard John Lucas. The '88 Pistons beat the Celtics in 6 and when you watch that series they should have swept the Celtics. And in 1987 if Adrian Dantley doesn't get hurt in Game 7 the Celtics don't win.[/QUOTE]
[B]True messed up there but without him the Celtics would have owned the Bulls in no more than 6 Games anyhow because they also had Great Roll Players that could Defend and SHOOT. I pointed out the reasons why the Bulls could only dominate in 1 Spot (Jordan vs DJ/Ainge) if the Celtics Put in Their BIG LINEUPE as they did with The Rockets. Bulls would be forced to put in a Much Bigger Line Up to Hold the Big Three plus Walton fron Scoring at very high FG%, Defending, Rebounding and Blocking Shots and bench Kerr/Paxon and put Scottie or Harper as PG. Scottie would not be a scoring threat from that position and if he Played Forward then you would have to take away either Grant or Rodman, which would not be enough to Contend a Big Line and even more dangerous cost.
C: PARISH
C-F: WALTON
PF: McHALE
SG/SF: BIRD
PG/SG: AINGE or DJ
Thats what they did in many Games and Agains the 1986 Rockets.
True it was No Sweap but it was a Clear Victory and the Rockets had 6`11 ft HAKEEM THE DREAM and 7`4 ft RALPH SAMSON (Whom was Faster and A Better Ball Handler than All of the Centers and 95% of the PFs). That same Team Beat the 1986 Lakes with a PRIME MAGIC, PRIME WORTHY, PRIME GREEN, PRIME SCOTT, PRIME COOPER and KAREEM still Scoring between 23 and 26 ppg and at an efficiency of 53 to 56.4 FG%.
If the Rockets could not Dominate the Paint with RALPH SAMSON AND HAKEEM what makes you think the Bulls would even compete with Williams-Wellington-Longely-Rodman againts the Celtics PARISH-WALTON-McHALE-BIRD?[/B]
:hammerhead:
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[QUOTE=nycelt84]And that was Pippen at age 25 imagine Pippen at age 29-31 when he became the best SF in the league?:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
[B]Pippens Greatest Season was 1993-94 when Jordan Left. No doubt about IT but that season cannot be compared to Birds Greatest Seasons 83-84, 84-85, 85-86
[B]BIRd`s Career Average is Pretty Much Superior to Scottie`s Greatest Season.
BIRD: CARRER AVERAGES
23/24 PPG (49.7% FG), 10 RPG, 6.3/6.5 ASPG, 1.7 SPG :violin: [/B]
PIPPEN: 1993-94 SEASON
20. 7 PPG (49.1% FG), 8.2 RPG, 5.3 ASPG, 2.8 SPG :hammerhead:
:confusedshrug: [/B]
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[QUOTE=nycelt84]And that was Pippen at age 25 imagine Pippen at age 29-31 when he became the best SF in the league?:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
The gap between how good Bird was in '86 to '91 is pretty big.
The gap between how good Pippen was in '91 to '96-'97 isn't.
There are alot of people out there including me who would take Pippen during the Bulls first 3-peat over Pippen during the Bulls 2nd 3 Peat.
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Pippen is best known for being a defensive player not offensive and in 93-94 he dropped 22.0 ppg and in the playoffs it was 22.8. Pippen would be an offensive threat from any position and keep in mind if he's playing PG like you say, he is locking down Ainge or Johnson and Pippen was too big and strong for any guard to handle at the offensive or defensive end. Pippen at PG favors the Bulls not the Celtics that is a clear mismatch. The Rockets did very well in the '86 series and they played without their starting point guard. Lastly Magic Johnson reached his prime starting in the 86-87 season. Magic's last 5 seasons were his 5 best seasons, the '86 Lakers were a team in transition.
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[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Pippens Greatest Season was 1993-94 when Jordan Left. No doubt about IT but that season cannot be compared to Birds Greatest Seasons 83-84, 84-85, 85-86
[B]BIRd`s Career Average is Pretty Much Superior to Scottie`s Greatest Season.
BIRD: CARRER AVERAGES
23/24 PPG (49.7% FG), 10 RPG, 6.3/6.5 ASPG, 1.7 SPG :violin: [/B]
PIPPEN: 1993-94 SEASON
20. 7 PPG (49.1% FG), 8.2 RPG, 5.3 ASPG, 2.8 SPG :hammerhead:
:confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]
this is just as stupid as sayin that the bulls would beat the celtics because they won 72 games and the celtics only won 65. ITS DIFFERENT ERAS. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE AND HOW THINGS ARE RELATIVELY. BIRD PUT UP THOSE AVERAGES NOT ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS GREAT BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE PACE. you are statisticly comparing 1 guy who was the number 1 option to a guy that was the number 2 option. even jordan suffered statisticly in the 90s due to pace.
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[QUOTE=nycelt84]Pippen is best known for being a defensive player not offensive and in 93-94 he dropped 22.0 ppg and in the playoffs it was 22.8. Pippen would be an offensive threat from any position and keep in mind if he's playing PG like you say, he is locking down Ainge or Johnson and Pippen was too big and strong for any guard to handle at the offensive or defensive end. Pippen at PG favors the Bulls not the Celtics that is a clear mismatch. The Rockets did very well in the '86 series and they played without their starting point guard. Lastly Magic Johnson reached his prime starting in the 86-87 season. Magic's last 5 seasons were his 5 best seasons, the '86 Lakers were a team in transition.[/QUOTE]
If Pippen guards DJ. Then that leaves MJ on Bird. And there is no way MJ is stopping Bird. Bird would post him up all day. Overall I always felt '86 Bird was better than '96 Jordan.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]this is just as stupid as sayin that the bulls would beat the celtics because they won 72 games and the celtics only won [B]65[/B]. ITS DIFFERENT ERAS. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE AND HOW THINGS ARE RELATIVELY. BIRD PUT UP THOSE AVERAGES NOT ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS GREAT BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE PACE. you are statisticly comparing 1 guy who was the number 1 option to a guy that was the number 2 option. even jordan suffered statisticly in the 90s due to pace.[/QUOTE]
Actually it was 67 games.
It was different eras but the Celtics played in a BETTER ERA!!!
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]The gap between how good Bird was in '86 to '91 is pretty big.
The gap between how good Pippen was in '91 to '96-'97 isn't.
There are alot of people out there including me who would take Pippen during the Bulls first 3-peat over Pippen during the Bulls 2nd 3 Peat.[/QUOTE]
i for one feel that pippen became even better and got more respect after what he did in 94. i really feel that he should have been the mvp. and that in this day and age he would. look at nash. and while i beleive that bird was better than pippen i dont believe its by that much and i showed you that useing your picked years. bird was older and pippen was too young. factor in the defensive side of the ball and id give a slight edge to pippen even as jordans second fiddle over bird as the 1st option.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]If Pippen guards DJ. Then that leaves MJ on Bird. And there is no way MJ is stopping Bird. Bird would post him up all day. Overall I always felt '86 Bird was better than '96 Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Michael was a top 5 defensive player so he would have held his own and there was no way anyone on the Celtics were stopping him either. I highly disagree '86 Bird was better than '96 Jordan.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]i for one feel that pippen became even better and got more respect after what he did in 94. i really feel that he should have been the mvp. and that in this day and age he would. look at nash. and while i beleive that bird was better than pippen i dont believe its by that much and i showed you that useing your picked years.[B] bird was older and pippen was too young.[/B] factor in the defensive side of the ball and id give a slight edge to pippen even as jordans second fiddle over bird as the 1st option.[/QUOTE]
Pippen was young but he was still an All Defensive Team player. And Bird was in his mid 30's with a bad back.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Actually it was 67 games.
It was different eras but the Celtics played in a BETTER ERA!!![/QUOTE]
and once again, why because the bulls destroyed everyone they played and the celtics couldnt. it sounds to me that by your logic, if utah or the knicks beat the bulls then the bulls would then be better.:hammerhead: now how ridiculous is that. but please answer this question, if the bulls lost the knicks or utah once or twice would that give more credence to their dominance.
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[QUOTE=nycelt84]Michael was a top 5 defensive player so he would have held his own and there was no way anyone on the Celtics were stopping him either. I highly disagree '86 Bird was better than '96 Jordan.[/QUOTE]
MJ always had trouble playing against bigger players. In the '91 Finals he guarded Magic and he just couldn't contain him.
You may disagree with the '86 Bird > '96 Jordan but it's true.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Pippen was young but he was still an All Defensive Team player. And Bird was in his mid 30's with a bad back.[/QUOTE]
and it shows by pip forcing him to turn the ball over an average of 5 times
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]MJ always had trouble playing against bigger players. In the '91 Finals he guarded Magic and he just couldn't contain him.
You may disagree with the '86 Bird > '96 Jordan but it's true.[/QUOTE]
What makes it true that's just a matter of personal opinion nor do the numbers clearly show Bird was better. And nobody ever contained Magic.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]and once again, why because the bulls destroyed everyone they played and the celtics couldnt. it sounds to me that by your logic, if utah or the knicks beat the bulls then the bulls would then be better.:hammerhead: now how ridiculous is that. but please answer this question, if the bulls lost the knicks or utah once or twice would that give more credence to their dominance.[/QUOTE]
What? The Celtics destroyed everyone that season. Please do some research.
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[QUOTE=nycelt84]What makes it true that's just a matter of personal opinion nor do the numbers clearly show Bird was better. And nobody ever contained Magic.[/QUOTE]
And nobody ever contained Bird.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]MJ always had trouble playing against bigger players. In the '91 Finals he guarded Magic and he just couldn't contain him.
You may disagree with the '86 Bird > '96 Jordan but it's true.[/QUOTE]
he didnt have trouble. and he wouldnt have to gurd magic pip or harper could.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]and it shows by pip forcing him to turn the ball over an average of 5 times[/QUOTE]
That would not have happened if that was '86 Bird.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]What? The Celtics destroyed everyone that season. Please do some research.[/QUOTE]
are we talking bout a season or that whole era? cuz im talking about the era
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[QUOTE=97 bulls][B]he didnt have trouble[/B]. and he wouldnt have to gurd magic pip or harper could.[/QUOTE]
Yes he did. MJ got into early foul trouble in Games 1 and 2 because he just coudn't handle Magic.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]That would not have happened if that was '86 Bird.[/QUOTE]
hey, you tried to compare a 33 year old bird to pip not me