Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
-The ultimate goal will always be to win a championship
-It's very difficult to evaluate individual player contribution in a team sport
-My criteria for evaluating players:
1) Titles as#1,MVP,FMVP
2) Advanced stats,H2H battles,supporting cast
3) Team/individual records
4) Titles as #2
[B]-Some examples of advanced stats[/B]
[QUOTE][B]Playoff Leaders for Win Shares[/B]
Jordan 39.76
Kareem 35.56
Duncan 33.08
Magic 32.63
Wilt 31.46
Shaq 31.08
LeBron 29.54
Kobe 28.26
Russell 27.76
West 26.75
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Playoff Leaders for PER[/B]
Jordan 28.60
Mikan 28.51
LeBron 27.26
Shaq 26.13
Hakeem 25.69
Paul 25.48
Durant 24.98
Duncan 24.91
Dirk 24.68
Barkley 24.18[/QUOTE]
[B]Top 10 players of all-time[/B]
[QUOTE]1. Michael Jordan,Bill Russell
2. Wilt Chamberlain,Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson,Tim Duncan
4. Shaquille O'Neal,Larry Bird
5. LeBron James,Hakeem Olajuwon[/QUOTE]
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Lebron
Lebron can pass Kobe in next few years.
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
[QUOTE=7_cody]Solid list, but LeBron doesn't belong in the top 10 yet and Shaq is too low. Shaq won back-to-back-to-back Championships and FMVPS, but yet he's only a couple spots above LeBron?
I know you're biased, I am the same way with Kobe, but Shaq should be higher and LeBron should be off that list for now IMO[/QUOTE]
Shaq higher? That means Shaq is over Magic/Bird and perhaps Wilt/Russell/Kareem... MJ? Hm... do as you wish though....
As for Lebron.... look i do like Lebrons game and thats about it, i love basketball to much to disrespect it in honor of a single player though, i am not biased/immature THAT way.... i prefer logic and facts, thats my only bias, this is because facts are impossible to argue against and facts in this case show for example:
....................................Lebron..........Hakeem........Kobe....
MVP...................................4.................1...............1......
FMVP..................................2.................2...............2......
Championships as the man.......2.................2..............2......
1st All-NBA...........................7.................6..............11.....
1st All-Defensive....................5.................5..............9......
and so on...
.......sorry but anybody trying to keep Lebron out of top 10 at this moment is suffering from some specific agenda or delusion... its either Hakeem or Kobe replaced, your choice.... you cant keep a player of that magnitude out of top 10 forever....
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
[QUOTE=Scholar]Kareem- greatest of all-time big man. Can be interchangeable with MJ.
Jordan- greatest of all-time guard.
Wilt- revolutionized the game. So dominant, he caused change in basketball rules.
Russell- 11 rings in 13 tries. Enough said. Only reason to not rank him higher is because the others have better overall games. BR is probably the best shot blocker to run the game. A LeBron body who played in the NBA and US history's turning era.
Magic- 5 rings in 9 tries in 11 seasons. Greatest passer ever.
Kobe- 5 rings in 7 tries. [B]Greatest scorer of all-time.[/B]
Bird- possibly the most clutch player ever. I've seen enough of his games in playback to know he'd be a force to reckon with in any era.
Duncan- greatest PF ever. May not have eye popping, flashy games, but still a great winner. 4 rings in 5 tries.
Shaq- the most dominant player not named Wilt. He'd be ranked higher if he actually bothered to try more often in his career. He came into seasons out of shape, undedicated, and he became a journeyman towards the end, but he still is among the top 10. It wouldn't make me cringe to see him on some top 5 lists.
LeBron- overtook Hakeem. 2 rings in 4 tries, and 4 MVPs in 5 yrs. He'll be reaching the top 5 sooner than later.[/QUOTE]
Based on what?
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
[QUOTE=AintNoSunshine]Hey fukkface where did he lead his team to while he was padding those averages? Tmac had basically the same numbers, too bad he didn't force his way to playing for the most successful franchise in nba and got 3 free championships.
I ain't even trying to convince fanboys like you anything, your man love for the dude blinds you.[/QUOTE]
U got owned and this is wat u come back wit?:lol
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
The thread title states:
"YOUR top 10 players of all-time"
Why are some posters arguing who should be in the top 10 of someone else's list? Make your own list and get on with it. No point asking why a certain player should be in and the other shouldn't, nor questioning the reasons of someone else's arbitrary list.
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]The thread title states:
"YOUR top 10 players of all-time"
Why are some posters arguing who should be in the top 10 of someone else's list? Make your own list and get on with it. No point asking why a certain player should be in and the other shouldn't, nor questioning the reasons of someone else's arbitrary list.[/QUOTE]
whats ur top 10?
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]The thread title states:
"YOUR top 10 players of all-time"
Why are some posters arguing who should be in the top 10 of someone else's list? Make your own list and get on with it. No point asking why a certain player should be in and the other shouldn't, nor questioning the reasons of someone else's arbitrary list.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
No one's satisfied with making their own arbitrary list; everyone else's list has to be a reflection of theirs as well.
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
My top 10 G.O.A.T list:
1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Wilt
4. Russels
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Lebron
10. Kobe
Hakeem is out at number 10.
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
[QUOTE=Electric Slide]whats ur top 10?[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I don't actually have one of my own. I would have to actually think hard about and keep career separate from playing ability.
I would also to have to think about eras of competition, peer competition, skills, etc.... I can tell you this, I would value consistency the highest on my own list when in regards to players.
For the record, the read of others opinions here does have some good insight, despite the questioning by other posters.
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
My top ten:
1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Shaq
8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. Kobe
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
[QUOTE=pauk]
Favorite 10:
1. Reggie Miller
2. Drazen Petrovic
3. Pete Maravic
4. Penny Hardaway
5. Larry Bird
6. Lebron James
7. Magic Johnson
8. Shawn Kemp
9. Ray Allen
10. Dennis Rodman[/QUOTE]
What a joke :roll:
You're not fooling anybody.
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
[QUOTE=Heavincent]What a joke :roll:
You're not fooling anybody.[/QUOTE]
lmao he actually has 5 players ahead of lebron as his favorite. what a bunch of bull. :roll:
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
Scholar >
If we're going to say that Bill Russell has 11 rings in 13 tries, then the real numbers are 2 rings in 10 tries for LeBron, 5 rings in 13 tries for Magic, and 5 rings in 17 tries for Kobe.
I think Tim Duncan would disagree with the idea that he didn't "try" for a championship in 2004 and 2006...
Re: YOUR top 10 players of all-time
1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Duncan
10. LeBron
Shaq/Kobe/Duncan are are extremely close on my list though.