Where are the Hornets gonna move to? Seattle or Vegas?

i'm just concerned because your logic says that the residents chose disaster over safety, as if they knew this city was gonna get striken again, when in reality they chose their home over somewhere foreign. They don't see this coming, I don't see this coming. For the eye of a big ass hurricane of this magnitude to strike the same godd-mn city twice within a few years... It's a one in a thousand, and it just had to happen.

Obviously, if this will continue to happen as often as it has been, I would urge anyone to abandon their homes, but no one can see the future.

That woman did not see a hurricane coming in 2008. Neither did I. Because it could happen at anytime and yet it could stay quiet in new orleans forever. She hoped for the latter, and I'd imagine you would too, showtime.

[QUOTE=Godfather]I know what happened to you during this thread. You showed no compassion towards the people New Orleans, and were torched accordingly. And now that you realize you are being labeled as an antagonist, you have switched into a defensive mentality and continue to post this useless dribble. When it is all said and done one thing is clear; you are not nearly as compassionate to other humans as the average ISH poster and that is reprehensible.[/QUOTE]
My first post on this issue:

"I know it's a sad situation, but at some point I don't feel empathy for those that put themselves in that situation again. It's like those people who rebuild multiple times after tornado season has wiped out their house. GTFO out of the area. I don't feel sorry for the person walking down the railroad tracks who gets hit by a train."

Now, because of the reaction, I had to go into greater detail to clarify my point to avoid confusion. It's unfortunate that you feel this clarification was somehow a defensive tactic to avoid flaming. My only mistake was not being clear enough in my initial post. If you notice, in the very first sentence, I was only talking about those that "put themselves in that situation again", and then went on to clarify that. I wasn't making broad statements about all the victims. I wasn't criticizing everybody who experienced loss. I was expressing my viewpoint and I make no apologies to those that misunderstood.

If you want to think I'm heartless, feel no compassion for people, etc, then go right ahead. I know that isn't the case, and the people who know me know that isn't the case.

You think the NBA will move to put another team in Seattle, just months after the city rejected the Sonics? Not going to happen.

[QUOTE=nosurrender]i'm just concerned because your logic says that the residents chose disaster over safety, as if they knew this city was gonna get striken again, when in reality they chose their home over somewhere foreign. They don't see this coming, I don't see this coming. For the eye of a big ass hurricane of this magnitude to strike the same godd-mn city twice within a few years... It's a one in a thousand, and it just had to happen.[/quote]

Well, I guess we must disagree on what likelihood means. You find it unlikely that a city in the location and situation as NO could be damaged by hurricanes, and I see it as a probability that merits serious consideration.

[quote]Obviously, if this will continue to happen as often as it has been, I would urge anyone to abandon their homes, but no one can see the future.[/quote]

I agree that nobody can see the future, but that doesn't mean everybody should put everything to chance.

[quote]That woman did not see a hurricane coming in 2008. Neither did I. Because it could happen at anytime and yet it could stay quiet in new orleans forever. She hoped for the latter, and I'd imagine you would too, showtime.[/QUOTE]
I would agree with you if this was some random, freak occurrence. The fact is there are hurricane seasons every single year, and the location is a dangerous one, so in my mind, there's a circumstance there that merits serious consideration. You don't build a house on a fault line and then say an earthquake was a totally random occurrence, and hopefully it won't happen again. You can't be serious, can you? You honestly think the city's situation isn't something to be considered when making a decision such as where to base your life? This isn't a lightning strike we are talking about.

[quote=Showtime]Well, I guess we must disagree on what likelihood means. You find it unlikely that a city in the location and situation as NO could be damaged by hurricanes, and I see it as a probability that merits serious consideration.



I agree that nobody can see the future, but that doesn't mean everybody should put everything to chance.


I would agree with you if this was some random, freak occurrence. The fact is there are hurricane seasons every single year, and the location is a dangerous one, so in my mind, there's a circumstance there that merits serious consideration. You don't build a house on a fault line and then say an earthquake was a totally random occurrence, and hopefully it won't happen again. [B]You can't be serious, can you? You honestly think the city's situation isn't something to be considered when making a decision such as where to base your life?[/B] This isn't a lightning strike we are talking about.[/quote]

Because everyone who lives in New Orleans recently moved there...

[QUOTE=Showtime] This isn't a lightning strike we are talking about.[/QUOTE]

well regardless of the likelihood, I bet repopulation will be even harder this year, and you will eventually get your wish and there will be next to nobody living there say, by 2010. I just don't think people can come back with a clear heart after this one. I loved the city when I was there, from the French quarter to sneaking into a Tulane frat party. It will be missed sorely.

[QUOTE=nosurrender]well regardless of the likelihood, I bet repopulation will be even harder this year, and you will eventually[B] get your wish[/B] and there will be next to nobody living there say, by 2010. I just don't think people can come back with a clear heart after this one. I loved the city when I was there, from the French quarter to sneaking into a Tulane frat party. It will be missed sorely.[/QUOTE]
I've gone to great lengths to make myself crystal clear despite several people who misunderstood me, and you either don't have the reading comprehension skills to understand my viewpoint, or you do, but you want to be a jerk. I never said anybody deserved it. I never said NO should be wiped off the map and people should just not live there. If you are either too dumb to get that, or too much of a jerk to not play games, then just don't even waste my time. Ignored.

[QUOTE=Godfather]Because everyone who lives in New Orleans recently moved there...[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about "everybody" in NO. I've said multiple times that I was talking about those that had the choice, means, and opportunity after katrina, so next time: try reading. Then read it again. Then take a minute and think about it. Then post.

[QUOTE=JayGuevara]So let me ask you this. Places like Detroit, Newark, Gary, Flint, New Orleans also, etc etc are fairly well known for high crime rates, poverty, violence, and poor economies. Why are any of these cities inhabited at all? Shouldn't they all just get out of that situation? And adapt?

Is it that simple?[/QUOTE]

but is it too idealistic to consider people moving away from those places? no.

and that isn't the same thing...the inhabitants of those places contribute to those problems, whereas the hurricanes of the gulf coast aren't created by the residents.

and...the magnitude of problems caused by the hurricanes is far more affective than the crime rates of poverty stricken areas. are there evacuations from flint, detriot, etc?

saying people should move from a place that experiences natural disasters is fine logic, and not at all too idealistic.

I totally agree with Showtime in this thread, and people accusing him of being a teenager or having no friends are the real immature ones. He simply questions as to why these people are rebuilding in a volatile area. It's completely valid, and alot of people live far away from family and friends and can maintain those relationships. You can make new friends in new places, so that argument is out the window.

These people are rebuilding in New Orleans, choosing to relocate, which is hardwork and whether you are poor or rich takes money and planning. Instead of rebuilding in a dangerous area, why not relocate somewhere else? Hell, you could move a simple 60-80 miles away and be a hell of alot safer. No one is asking anyone to move halfway across the world here.

It is hard to have empathy for these people, and whether you admit it or not in today's times with a changing climate weather is getting more and more unpredictable. That region has a violent history with weather patterns, most anyone living there is aware of that. For example, a man has been living with nature his entire life, with Bears, and suddenly Bears are getting more aggressive than usual. They grow more and more aggressive, and finally he is attacked and almost killed. If he returns to that spot where he knows there is danger and a similar event could occur, he's putting himself in danger.

You can't **** with nature, and you can't curse nature when you try and manipulate it. New Orleans should not even exist, being below sea level it is an unnatural location for a major city. I feel badly for the people who take the risks and decide to live there, but I also have a hard time sympathizing with them and their plight.

I just got off the phone with my sister, who's alright.

She couldn't get out though. You know why? She literally doesn't have enough money to get to the nearest open shelter, which is in San Antonio.

It goes beyond that though. During a hurricane they do something called contraflow on the streets. All the streets, all lanes, head out of state. Every single road leads to the border. And it literally can take about a month before you can get back into the state.

So if you leave, not only do you need the money to get out of the state, which with gas prices is not trivial, but you need the money to survive, without an income, for about a month at least, and then you have to come back and get the things you can salvage before leaving permanently.

When you stay in a shelter it isn't free. You have to pay for meals. She literally doesn't have enough money to pay for her, her husband and her 6 month old kid to eat for a month without any supporting income.

Additionally her husband is a state trooper so he'd have to stay anyway to help evacuate people.

Showtime, it costs money to move. More than it costs to rebuild. It costs [b]thousands[/b] of dollars to move out of state. The only way they can accomplish that is if they use the money the government gives them to replace their lost items, and instead use it to move.

Which if they did they'd literally have a couple of changes of cloths and some blankets. No furniture, no job, nothing.

In 12 hours I'm not gonna be able to contact her anymore. Her house is most likely going to be completely destroyed, and/or looted, and I won't even know if she's okay until next Thursday.

The fact that you crticize the choices these people have to make from so ****ing far away is the most heinous, rediculous thing I've ever heard on this forum. You're a waste of a human being if you honestly think [i]you[/i] have any perspective on the choices those people have to make, and you can ****ing die in a ditch for all I care.

And FYI, she lives in West Louissianna, near the Texas border.

^^does it really cost more to move than to rebuild? i don't think that is the case...particularly if you have to evacuate and/or rebuild multiple times. moving is just once.

[QUOTE=SourGrapes]^^does it really cost more to move than to rebuild? i don't think that is the case...particularly if you have to evacuate and/or rebuild multiple times. moving is just once.[/QUOTE]

You get federal/state assitance to stay. But only to stay.

The state and federal government don't give assitance if you're leaving, and neighboring states don't give assitance if you're moving there.

Which means only the people who can afford to move do, and only the impovershed are left.

(They also rent instead of own their house, which means they aren't collecting a 100K+ check for their destroyed residence.)

[QUOTE=JordanL]I just got off the phone with my sister, who's alright.

She couldn't get out though. You know why? She literally doesn't have enough money to get to the nearest open shelter, which is in San Antonio.

It goes beyond that though. During a hurricane they do something called contraflow on the streets. All the streets, all lanes, head out of state. Every single road leads to the border. And it literally can take about a month before you can get back into the state.

So if you leave, not only do you need the money to get out of the state, which with gas prices is not trivial, but you need the money to survive, without an income, for about a month at least, and then you have to come back and get the things you can salvage before leaving permanently.

When you stay in a shelter it isn't free. You have to pay for meals. She literally doesn't have enough money to pay for her, her husband and her 6 month old kid to eat for a month without any supporting income.

Additionally her husband is a state trooper so he'd have to stay anyway to help evacuate people.

Showtime, it costs money to move. More than it costs to rebuild. It costs [b]thousands[/b] of dollars to move out of state. The only way they can accomplish that is if they use the money the government gives them to replace their lost items, and instead use it to move.

Which if they did they'd literally have a couple of changes of cloths and some blankets. No furniture, no job, nothing.

In 12 hours I'm not gonna be able to contact her anymore. Her house is most likely going to be completely destroyed, and/or looted, and I won't even know if she's okay until next Thursday.

The fact that you crticize the choices these people have to make from so ****ing far away is the most heinous, rediculous thing I've ever heard on this forum. You're a waste of a human being if you honestly think [i]you[/i] have any perspective on the choices those people have to make, and you can ****ing die in a ditch for all I care.

And FYI, she lives in West Louissianna, near the Texas border.[/QUOTE]

So, you've taken the situation of your sister who lives in Louisiana, and have basically attributed her situation to the situation of everyone else who chooses to live in dangerous coastal regions. I've heard of many people who have relocated for fear of these dangerous places, many of them in bad economic situations themselves. You accuse us of being close-minded, yet you apply your ignorant bull**** logic to this event. Just shutup.

[QUOTE=Mr Know It All]So, you've taken the situation of your sister who lives in Louisiana, and have basically attributed her situation to the situation of everyone else who chooses to live in dangerous coastal regions. I've heard of many people who have relocated for fear of these dangerous places, many of them in bad economic situations themselves. You accuse us of being close-minded, yet you apply your ignorant bull**** logic to this event. Just shutup.[/QUOTE]

I'm not the one generalizing, I'm providing an actual counter-example. Learn to ****ing read.