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[QUOTE=John Smith]He acts like one and that is enough for me and Mark Cuban. He probably acted that way for self preservation growing up. That's understandable but he needs to become a man and shed that gutter mentality. Obviously, he never will but that's what he should do.[/QUOTE]
Is Rob Dyrdek (skater) or one of those rock band drummer or guitarists thugs because they have tattoos? Or do you have to have a combination of tattoos and also be black to be a thug?
[QUOTE=John Smith]Probably. thanks for approaching the situation with an open and able mind. that is refreshing to see.[/QUOTE]
So his approach is in stark contrast to your approach which is to use a close and disabled mind to label people based on your prejudices?
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Good call. I wouldn't judge a person by how the play basketball, but I guess everyone has a different opinion on the matter.[/QUOTE]
It actually wouldn't be so bad if he were just judging them on how they play basketball. He is actually judging them on their race, speech, and skin art. Its actually pretty offensive.
[QUOTE=BeebCats]To me, the player would have to actually do something off the court to earn a thug reputation. I know for a fact some people have VERY different personalities on and off the court, and personally I like to base my opinion of a player on their "off the court" actions. I guess that's the difference?[/QUOTE]
Chris Andersen(White) of the Nuggets is certainly a 'thug' isn't he? I mean with his intimidating,in-your-face style of basketball, Tattoos all over his body & being expelled from the League for several years for drug abuse:rolleyes:
This Smith guy is a pea brain & his ilk are responsible for the League going away from the hard fouls ( flagrant 1 & 2 rules)to prevent fights & brawls that are commonplace in Baseball. Where there are no thugs:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=GOBB]Oakley is never called a thug tho on this site. How is Oakley not a punk nor a thug. But Kmart is. I'm lost. People embrace the days of the Bad Boys. Featuring dirty players. Yet when todays players mimick it they are punks and thugs? Why couldnt they be considered the same things you called Oakley and guys of his caliber back then. Lets keep in mind Oakley couldnt do what he did in todays game. He took would have to have some form of resistence given consequences, punishments.
Just curious.
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If you're comparing Oakley to Kmart is obvious that you will never understand why Kmart is called a thug and Oakley isn't. Not even MJ would call Oakley fugazzi, Kmart was called by... Tim Thomas :roll:
[QUOTE=32jazz]Chris Andersen(White) of the Nuggets is certainly a 'thug' isn't he? I mean with his intimidating,in-your-face style of basketball, Tattoos all over his body & being expelled from the League for several years for drug abuse:rolleyes:
This Smith guy is a pea brain & his ilk are responsible for the League going away from the hard fouls ( flagrant 1 & 2 rules)to prevent fights & brawls that are commonplace in Baseball. Where there are no thugs:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Dude. Hockey has the least amount of thugs.
[QUOTE=niko]no, you are wrong. it is not the ref's responsibility to track number of fouls, the number of fouls should not impact a call. and it is an established nba tradition to let the refs know you are fouling intentionally, so they call it quicker and don't think you are trying to rough someone up when you grab them. so basically, i am speaking from fact and you are speaking from what you think.
i don't care what anyone says, two hands up in the air like the cops are pointing a gun at you is not a sign for I FOULED, it's a sign for NOT ME.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but yes it is the refs responsibility to track fouls they have to know when a team is in the penalty or not, so you're wrong on that. Since it's fact please show me some documentation that it is nba tradition to let the refs know you are fouling. I'm not saying it isn't but I haven't heard that and since it's fact it should be easy for you to support.
Like I said earlier, at that point he probably was thinking they didn't call it yet so let them know I'm not fouling him now when he's in a shooting motion where if melo misses the shot and then he ends up getting three free throws, unfortunately for him melo made an amazing shot. He had no choice but to back off, plus was out of position from trying to foul anyways.
[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]Is Rob Dyrdek (skater) or one of those rock band drummer or guitarists thugs because they have tattoos? Or do you have to have a combination of tattoos and also be black to be a thug?[/QUOTE]
What % of blacks are thugs/criminals/in prison compared to say asians or whites? Answer that but you're too afraid to.
[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]I have no problems talking about it. In fact... the only way we will get rid of your ignorance is to educate you.
So lets talk prison population. So your claim is that since blacks and hispanics have proportionally higher numbers in prison it goes to say that being black or hispanic contributes to one looking like a thug? Right? Well what proportion of people who live at or below the poverty line are in prison whether they be black, white, hispanic, asian etc.? Once you answer that you will see that people aren't in prison because of their race but because they are poor. Rich people generally don't commit crimes because they don't think they have to. They are already rich. Equating skin color or race to being more likely to be a criminal is the heights of racism.[/QUOTE]
We're talking blacks, not hispanics. Being black increases your odds of being a thug based off of prison population as well as the ill wills that plague the black communities. Are you not aware of this fact? It seems you are the one in need of an education.
Get outta here with that far left off the wall poor BS. what about affirmative action? what about the fact that for every 4 black females that graduate college, 1 black male does? what about the fact that 1 out of every 3 black males has a felony? blacks get free tuition and special treatment yet their problems remain the same. why is that?
[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]It actually wouldn't be so bad if he were just judging them on how they play basketball. He is actually judging them on their race, speech, and skin art. Its actually pretty offensive.[/QUOTE]
offensive or not, there are reasons for it. why do you think there is racial profiling? obviously, there is cause for it...
[QUOTE=John Smith]We're talking blacks, not hispanics. Being black increases your odds of being a thug based off of prison population as well as the ill wills that plague the black communities. Are you not aware of this fact? It seems you are the one in need of an education.
Get outta here with that far left off the wall poor BS. what about affirmative action? what about the fact that for every 4 black females that graduate college, 1 black male does? what about the fact that 1 out of every 3 black males has a felony? blacks get free tuition and special treatment yet their problems remain the same. why is that?[/QUOTE]
Well I am sure the players of the NBA('thugs':rolleyes: ) would like to thank you for your obvious concern & loyal support of the NBA each time they cash their checks.
Every little bit helps.
You can certainly solve their problems with your ignorant rats on a message board.
Never understood someone who could loyally watch/support a League/Team where they generally dislike the Players & find they have 'tons' of 'thugs'.
A Blues/Jazz musician once said the same thing about people with your mentality when he said they like 'our'(Blacks) music, but they just don't like us.
[QUOTE=32jazz]Well I am sure the players of the NBA('thugs':rolleyes: ) would like to thank you for your obvious concern & loyal support of the NBA each time they cash their checks.
Every little bit helps.
You can certainly solve their problems with your ignorant rats on a message board.
Never understood someone who could loyally watch/support a League/Team where they generally dislike the Players & find they have 'tons' of 'thugs'.
A Blues/Jazz musician once said the same thing about people with your mentality when he said they like 'our'(Blacks) music, but they just don't like us.[/QUOTE]
and why bring up music? My dougie...yeah that's going to go a long way to shattering the stereotypes...
rats? OKAY. I love blacks. I'm around them all day. The catch? They're educated and share a similar value structure that I do. It's the kind of people that make all the difference. Do you like white trash? I sure don't...
[QUOTE=John Smith]What % of blacks are thugs/criminals/in prison compared to say asians or whites? Answer that but you're too afraid to.[/QUOTE]
I already did answer it but your ignorance seems to not only be prejudice-based. You have some reading comprehension problems as well.
Let me break it down as simple as I can.
Blacks have more people in prison/thugs/criminals than whites or Asians proportionally.
Blacks also have more people at or below the poverty line than whites or Asians proportionately.
Most people are thugs/criminals/in prison because they are poor. Almost all whites in prison because they are poor. Almost all asians in prison are poor. Almost all blacks in prison are poor. It therefore stands to reason that prison population is predicated mostly on being poor vs race.
It just so happens that more blacks and hispanics are proportionally poor than whites and as a result there are more blacks and hispanics in prison (proportionally). But even those numbers are skewed by the strong racial bias of the justice system that imprisons more blacks for drugs despite the fact that studies show that whites use drugs 5x more than blacks or hispanics.
Now how does this pertain to your obvious bias in particular? Well its obvious that poverty is a bigger factor into prison population and criminality than race. Much bigger. So it would be asinine to say Martin is most likely a thug or criminal because he is black or has tattoos or any other physical feature or speech pattern. HE HAS MONEY. Which is to say he isn't poor. Which means he likely isn't a criminal or thug. You are simply stereotyping... and even your stereotyping is stupid since proportions shouldnt factor into whether someone is a thug or not based on skin color. Based on the percentages alone, there are pretty much just as many whites as blacks in prison and so a white guy is just as likely to be a criminal as a black guy just because there are more whites than blacks here.
[QUOTE=John Smith]offensive or not, there are reasons for it. why do you think there is racial profiling? obviously, there is cause for it...[/QUOTE]
There exists racial profiling because of ignorant people like you. We used to have slavery too... was it ok then? Just because something exists doesn't mean its right.
[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]There exists racial profiling because of ignorant people like you. We used to have slavery too... was it ok then? Just because something exists doesn't mean its right.[/QUOTE]
hahaha, no it exists because there are increased odds of certain groups engaging in criminal behavior based upon the enviornment in which they exist as well as other proven statistics. Is it right? Of course not. I'm not trying to be right here. I'm just explaining reality. Deal with it. Neither you nor I can change it even though it is 110% wrong!
Also, Mor'Fiyah, why do you think there are so many poor people from that group? Could it be that 70% of the males in that group abandon their baby's mamma and their babies as the stats say? What about unemployment rates of said group? Broken and 1 parent families lead to poverty. There are causes and reasons for everything. You just have to be man enough to face the facts. Certain men of certain groups need to quit acting like little boys. And certain women of certain groups needs to stop laying down with such losers.