Pau Gasol vs. Dirk Nowitzki

[QUOTE]I don't.
Have you ever seen me doing an all time list? I have tiers and I usually add the 'since 1980' disclaimer.[/QUOTE]

In this thread you said Dirk is top 40 all-time. Surely you didn't mean top 40 since 1980.

[QUOTE]I know the reason. People want clear instructions as to what to think, and a rigid ranking system is clear enough. It is simple enough, too. Besides, people also love arguing about rankings. The result is not as important as the process of arguing over the list and the need to 'be right' all the time.[/QUOTE]

You oppose threads on all-time rankings yet posted a thread about teams, players of the decade? There is no substantive difference. Both threads will trigger the same type of talk.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]In this thread you said Dirk is top 40 all-time. Surely you didn't mean top 40 since 1980.[/QUOTE]

And at the same time I also said these lists are not to be taken that seriously. Sure, you can give a ranking to Dirk... so? Does it really matter if he is #32 or #39? Not for me. If you read the things I've said here (and elsewhere), I suggest you guys don't make that big a deal out of a few ppg or % difference. It also makes no sense dying arguing whether Nash or Kidd was better, or if Pippen was top 30 for that matter. If he was to you, great.



[QUOTE]You oppose threads on all-time rankings yet posted a thread about teams, players of the decade? There is no substantive difference. Both threads will trigger the same type of talk.[/QUOTE]

Not really. That is a pretty long and well-written article by a senior NBA-writer. I thought it was worth sharing, but you didn't see me there arguing e.g. the Lakers vs. the Spurs, did you?


On a final note, let me ask you if you are not getting tired by arguing only for the sake of arguing. Because if the only thing you want is people saying 'Wow, RR is right', then you can save the effort. Just say yes, and I will tell in bold capitals that you are right.

We got a deal?

[QUOTE=wang4three]Pau in the span of 2 years has become the most overrated player on this board. By far. You'd think he was Hakeem mixed with David Robinson reading some of these comments.

How has Pau gotten better in the last two years that he can be mentioned in the elite power forwards of the league? What has he added to his game? For me, it's a question of who. And that who, is Kobe. Lets not forget that Pau was 0-12 in the playoffs without Kobe.

Dirk might have had an embarrassing first round outing in 2007, but its not that bad compared to the fact that Pau could not lead his team to 1 victory in the post season. Yet, now somehow people would take him over Duncan, Dirk, and KG...for what reason.. I don't know.[/QUOTE]


Nuff said.............:applause:

pau has the ring

[QUOTE=elementally morale]But I don't and didn't say that, did I?

Let's take a look at it again:

Tier 1, six players. Tier 2, six players. Tier 3, about 15 players. (Give or take a few). We are somewhere between 25-30 by now.

[B]Drexler is in tier 4.[/B] There are about 20 players there. In other words: Drexler is most definitely top 50 and no way better than top 25. Around 35, a bit better a bit worse. Somewhere there. As is Iverson, Kidd, Nash, Dirk.... it's tough.[/QUOTE]

Okay, either you misinterpreted my post or I misunderstood your "Yes, me too. ".
Anyways, I don't see how both Drexler and Dirk are a tier below guys like DRob or Karl Malone. They didn't accomplish anything that Dirk has not, they had better stats but were either considerably worse in the playoffs (DRob) or in clutch situations (Malone).

[QUOTE=ClutchCover]Who are the teammates, and yes it matters.

For example, if both were going to be given Vince Carter to work with, I'll take Gasol since I know I can count on him playing defense and rebounding, other ways of impacting the game and I know Dirk won't be able to do that. If both were going to work with Kendrick Perkins, I'll take Dirk because I know Perkins can do all the dirty work for Dirk, and Dirk can sit back and score all the points. It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

You do know that Pau and Dirk basically have identical rebounding numbers for their career? Except in the playoffs, where Dirk outperforms Gasol by a good margin.

Also, just look at how great Dirk is at playing pick&roll with Jason Terry, now imagine that with a Vince Carter type, who not only is a great shooter like JET, but also a great slasher. Dirk works well with ANY other type of star player. High-Low with Dwight and Dirk? Please. Gasol wouldn't compare.

Dirk is absolutely useless on D. He's overhyped bigtime!!

Pau is better at everything other than the 3.

Dirk is the better player today, and he has a better NBA Career than Pau Gasol.

[QUOTE=RaptorFan]Dirk is absolutely useless on D. He's overhyped bigtime!!

Pau is better at everything other than the 3.[/QUOTE]


Dirk is the greatest European player in NBA History. Dirk would win an NBA title if you pair him with LeBron, Kobe, and Wade.

Give me Dirk Nowitzki.

Former NBA League MVP
Led his team in the 2006 NBA Finals
His team never missed the playoffs.

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Good bump. I've always thought Pau was severely overrated. Give me Dirk 8/10 times.

Some of these replies are hilariously funny.

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Gasol is a hall of famer and a great player, but he's not on Dirk's level. Dirk is a top 25 player of all time when his career is over....maybe top 20 if he plays a long time.

Gasol just isn't in his class as a player overall. Not a knock against Gasol, just speaks to how good Dirk has been up to this point in his career.

Great bump. It's pretty funny how over rated Pau was at one point, though I'd say the same about Dirk at one point too.