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[QUOTE=jlauber]Here again...Carter was a high jump champ?
Get that crap outta here.[/QUOTE]
I feel stupider now for having read your posts throughout this thread. Even the high jump video in this thread displays Wilt did not have close to enough explosive power to have a vertical close to 40". Look at the video again and tell me this guy could get up like Carter, Robinson and Jordan.
[QUOTE]A 42" vert for Wilt is ridiculous. Carter had a 43" vert and he could get up like this. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwYZ-WegYk[/url]
I'd bet any amount of money that Wilt's vert wasn't only 1" less than Carter's.[/QUOTE]
I really dont believe you know what vinces vertical is. Which isnt a judgment of you...as I dont think I know either. Lot of these numbers thrown out are just pulled out of someones ass at some point posted on a list of verticals and spread. It doesnt work like that in real life. Vince might jump his ass off one day and not go as high as he will 2 days later in a different situation.
You play ball im guess...you may know what I mean. I could never dunk anything like Vince carter of course. But after the first time I dunked I couldnt dunk that clean again for months. Cant tell you why. But some times I could jump higher than others. Some days id be able to do things I couldnt later that same day.
You really think every time Vince goes to jump no matter the situation if he goes all out...it would be the same height?
Of course it wont.
Vince on the highest jump of his life I suspect was higher than 43. And I suspect that if Wilt could get to 42 he couldnt do it rolling out of bed after going through numbers 11,443 and 11,444.
You arent jumping the same all the time which is why I just dont think we can say for sure how high anyone gets. A range? I guess.
If Wilt had a "Really trying" on the move range of 36-42 that Vince probably had a range above that. Where did it peak?
Cant say.
But I know I spent like half an hour trying to catch lobs and dunk(I couldt get there normally at the time) after the first time I did it and nobody believed I could.
Im not vince carter. But we have the same muscles in our legs I assume. Im guessing he doesnt jump the same height every time either.
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]What the hell? Carter is a basketball player! Not EVERYONE who jumps high in the NBA has to compete as a high jumper!!! God damnitt. What the f[SIZE="2"]u[/SIZE]ck? Did you even watch the video? Can you imagine Wilt getting off the ground like that? Now you watched Wilt from '64 on, did you ever see Wilt get off the ground like that?
Oh...I forgot, everyone who can jump high has to compete as a high jumper.[/QUOTE]
James White, was a high-jumper. Actually the generally GIFTED athletes almost always participate in track. Bo, Jim Brown, OJ, Deion, Darrell Green, Bob Hayes, Bill Russell, and Wilt to name just a FEW.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I really dont believe you know what vinces vertical is. Which isnt a judgment of you...as I dont think I know either. Lot of these numbers thrown out are just pulled out of someones ass at some point posted on a list of verticals and spread. It doesnt work like that in real life. Vince might jump his ass off one day and not go as high as he will 2 days later in a different situation.
You play ball im guess...you may know what I mean. I could never dunk anything like Vince carter of course. But after the first time I dunked I couldnt dunk that clean again for months. Cant tell you why. But some times I could jump higher than others. Some days id be able to do things I couldnt later that same day.
You really think every time Vince goes to jump no matter the situation if he goes all out...it would be the same height?
Of course it wont.
Vince on the highest jump of his life I suspect was higher than 43. And I suspect that if Wilt could get to 42 he couldnt do it rolling out of bed after going through numbers 11,443 and 11,444.
You arent jumping the same all the time which is why I just dont think we can say for sure how high anyone gets. A range? I guess.
If Wilt had a "Really trying" on the move range of 36-42 that Vince probably had a range above that. Where did I peak?
Cant say.
But I know I spent like half an hour trying to catch lobs and dunk(I couldt get there normally at the time) after the first time I did it and nobody believed I could.
Im not vince carter. But we have the same muscles in our legs I assume. Im guessing he doesnt jump the same height every time either.[/QUOTE]
Carter's vert was 43" at the pre-draft camp.
And yes, I play basketball, but I'm fairly consistent with my vert, I can almost always touch the rim(though I just have a 7'2" standing reach) and I'm typically between 2-4 inches over, but can't dunk, not particularly close either. I guess some days because my knees are bad I can barely touch the rim, but not that big of a variation and I have no idea if my jumping technique is decent..
yes, Vince could be a bit higher than 43", but regardless, how high could it be? And at Wilt's height, he'd need just a 34" vert to have his head at rim level, yet in all of the footage of him going for blocks, I've never seen his head at rim level. Now I'm not saying he couldn't get there, but if he had a vert close to or around 40" this shouldn't even require that much effort for him.
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Carter's vert was 43" at the pre-draft camp.
And yes, I play basketball, but I'm fairly consistent with my vert, I can almost always touch the rim(though I just have a 7'2" standing reach) and I'm typically between 2-4 inches over, but can't dunk, not particularly close either. I guess some days because my knees are bad I can barely touch the rim, but not that big of a variation and I have no idea if my jumping technique is decent..
yes, Vince could be a bit higher than 43", but regardless, how high could it be? And at Wilt's height, he'd need just a 34" vert to have his head at rim level, yet in all of the footage of him going for blocks, I've never seen his head at rim level. Now I'm not saying he couldn't get there, but if he had a vert close to or around 40" this shouldn't even require that much effort for him.[/QUOTE]
ShaqAttack,
You are really an intelligent poster, and while I don't always agree with yoru take, I respect it. Suffice to say...we will just have to agree to disagree.
I am going to bed.
I knew that jlauber was dense and slow.
That's what we're saying asswipe. Since Chamberlain had a 9'6 standing reach, that would mean he'd need 42 inches to touch the top of the back board.
Nate has a 43 inch vertical. You just said Wilt and Russell couldn't get as high off the ground as Nate and Spud most likely. Thus, I doubt you were talking 1 inch difference seeing as that would be barely noticeable in a vertical jump from a general observation.
Case closed, Wilt did not have a 42 inch vertical if Spud Webb and Nate Robinson only had a 1 inch higher vertical at 43 inches.
[QUOTE]You realize Vince maxed out at 43" right (slightly above MJ who was 42" but could have been as high as 44")? If you think Wilt was jumping as high as this guy, which is what you're implying with the 42" claim then sorry, you're delusional. This really doesn't even need to be argued...[/QUOTE]
Wilt could jump like 10 inches and dunk. Why would he ever need to do anything on a basketball court that would show how high he could get? To catch a floater at its peak at 13 feet?
Footage of dunks and such just dont do it for me in these situations. Especially when the issue is a guy with a 9'6'' reach playing when dunking in a flashy manner just wasnt done.
If vince were 7 inches taller and playing in 1962 he wouldnt be doing windmills.
Really...think about it.
Drop vince in 1962 or so. Nobody will throw him crazy lobs. He wont do a windmill because....its just not done. He wont do a 360. You would see 4 minutes of footage from a playoff game and people would probably be on here showing Lebron dunks saying Vince never did anything like that.
In game footage just isnt of use comparing players in such different eras. If Wilt had every second of play recorded and seen by millions with every highlight he ever did on youtube and charity game footage, dunk contests, and all star games made to show off....maybe you would see him do a no look 360 like Jamal Magloire.
There is just nothing ive seen that would make me say Wilt was going all out. A few really high blocks...but thats still jumping to get to a target. Not just to jump.
video is almost useless in these things to me.
[QUOTE=plowking]I knew that jlauber was dense and slow.
That's what we're saying asswipe. Since Chamberlain had a 9'6 standing reach, that would mean he'd need 42 inches to touch the top of the back board.
Nate has a 43 inch vertical. You just said Wilt and Russell couldn't get as high off the ground as Nate and Spud most likely. Thus, I doubt you were talking 1 inch difference seeing as that would be barely noticeable in a vertical jump from a general observation.
Case closed, Wilt did not have a 42 inch vertical if Spud Webb and Nate Robinson only had a 1 inch higher vertical at 43 inches.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DgRC0pH2Uc[/url]
so this guy must have a 45+ vert??? he's six nine
This has nothing to do with the topic, but either LeBron got his whole head over the rim, or that's a weird angle.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWi8Ds2RoE4[/url]
If you really want to measure explosion measure a standing broad jump. Its like super hero stuff, a guy is next to you and then blink and he 20 feet away. That's the most explosive the body gets. NOthing else we do is comparable in measure of explosion or muscle combustion. You have to have a quick leap and a strong leap to project your whole body that far.
Boozer has a quick leap but not a strong one -not much height. Jason Richardson only has a strong leap which is why his game suffers. Barkley had both. Amare had/has both. VC and Jordan are amazing with both.
Wilt had HS numbers and collegiate numbers at 22 feet which is why his dunking from the foul line, Wilt did it with a one step broad jump, is something that can be surmised pretty easily. In general we are nutritional giants in comparison to the 1960's people. But it is not across the board and 100% everybody. There are people who are just ahead of their time. There were people in the Roman times that ran 96 miles. We are not 100% more athletic than everybody from the 18th century.
All of that to say Wilt was different and maybe had a more combustiable chemical in his body. I do believe Wilt would demolish every center in the game in a long jump, high jump, endurance feats, track, bench press, triple jump and high hurdles in an overall competition. I do believe a prime Shaq and David Robinson would win a [B]couple[/B] of competitions. But if Wilt had their training and nutrition neither one of them would win in any category. And you could throw in a low post moves competition to boot.
In response to Plowking's comments about Shaq recording a higher vert than Wade, Kobe and Penny, well, technically you're right about Wade. Shaq was at 36" max and Wade at 35.5", but I believe Wade can get higher. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBidaKOmiKQ#t=3m54s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBidaKOmiKQ#t=3m54s[/URL] [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpsiXARHBfU#t=1m10s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpsiXARHBfU#t=1m10s[/URL]
I'd be shocked if Wade's vert wasn't closer to 38" or so.
And Kobe skipped the pre-draft camp while Penny's vertical isn't available. I hear the 38" figure floating around for Kobe's vert in his prime and I believe that. His feet were definitely higher off the ground than Shaq even in his LSU days.
Leaps in the game are adrenaline charged and are probably 4 - 7 inches higher. Think of 1st time you jammed - in a game - it was much higher than you normally jump. Bigger guys like Shawn Kemp could really sky but when you are that tall you are less likely to go max. Particurally after you head accidently hit the backboard like Blake Griffin has done a couple of times.
[QUOTE=Pointguard]Leaps in the game are adrenaline charged and are probably 4 - 7 inches higher. Think of 1st time you jammed - in a game - it was much higher than you normally jump. Bigger guys like Shawn Kemp could really sky but when you are that tall you are less likely to go max. Particurally after you head accidently hit the backboard like Blake Griffin has done a couple of times.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Dwight's vert was 35.5" at the pre-draft camp, but with a 9'3.5" standing reach, he proved he could touch atleast in the '07 dunk contest 12'6" making his vert atleast 38.5" or the 39" that he claimed. No way do I buy Andre Igoudala maxing out at 34.5" either.
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Yeah, Dwight's vert was 35.5" at the pre-draft camp, but with a 9'3.5" standing reach, he proved he could touch atleast in the '07 dunk contest 12'6" making his vert atleast 38.5" or the 39" that he claimed. No way do I buy Andre Igoudala maxing out at 34.5" either.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and he was multitasking at that time. If I recall right he posted the note with his left hand and dunked with his right. My guess is that he has three more inches on that.