[QUOTE=Calabis].he's a volume scorer not a consistent one[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Calabis].he's a volume scorer not a consistent one[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=tpols]Not pissed because I know jordan>kobe. But kobe has had better elite scoring games and that is something that eats jordan fans up. How could a guy that is [I]so inferior[/I] possibly have bigger scoring explosions? Not exactly sure, but I know that simple fact brings you guys coming back for more.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
That doesn't bother me one bit. I'm a basketball fan before I'm a player or team fan. I like seeing great performances like that. I don't rank games like that as better or worse than the others because they are all special. But when people try to compare them, you have to in to account who the competition was and the magnitude of the game.
Both players high point games are awesome but if you ask me which game I'd choose, it easy that I'd take Jordan dropping 69/18/6/4/2 on a future playoff opponent over Kobe dropping 81 on the worst team in the league. If you can't see the difference, then you're just blind. Did kobe have a great game? Yeah he did.
But in the end, Jordan did more in his highest scoring game than Kobe did in his. Jordan showed overall dominance on both ends of the floor, Kobe just scored 81 points.
[QUOTE=Calabis]UHH no Shaq, much different career, never a champion, wouldn't know what it took, possible no longer a Laker, possibly no Gasol and team he has today....if you want to exclude Shaq from his growing up in the NBA, then everything in his career changes...a ball hog no one would want to play with[/QUOTE]
You look at it in a negative way but I look at it positively. Kobe could've had many seasons of 35+ppg like he did during his peak w/o shaq and could've been better than MJ:confusedshrug:
Cavs record when Jordan scored 69 on them--32-37. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]That doesn't bother me one bit. I'm a basketball fan before I'm a player or team fan. I like seeing great performances like that. I don't rank games like that as better or worse than the others because they are all special. But when people try to compare them, you have to in to account who the competition was and the magnitude of the game.
Both players high point games are awesome but if you ask me which game I'd choose, it easy that I'd take Jordan dropping 69/18/6/4/2 on a future playoff opponent over Kobe dropping 81 on the worst team in the league. If you can't see the difference, then you're just blind. Did kobe have a great game? Yeah he did.
But in the end, Jordan did more in his highest scoring game than Kobe did in his. Jordan showed overall dominance on both ends of the floor, Kobe just scored 81 points.[/QUOTE]All I'm talking about is scoring. Kobe led a team where chris mihm was his next best support to a win by dropping 81 in a come from behind win. Jordan needed two OT periods to even hit 69. Sorry Kobe clearly has better scoring bursts than jordan.:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=tpols]Lol kobe shoots more, makes more, and is more efficient. But that means nothing...hahahaha
And I never said kobe is a better scorer than jordan. Reading comp. fail. I said he has better elite scoring games. His peak scoring potential for a game is higher than MJ's. All I'm saying. L2read dawg.[/QUOTE]
You're translating didn't to couldn't. Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't. As I said before Jordan didn't have to score that much. If he needed to, he most likely would've.
Kobe loves to get shots up, damn his percentage.
[QUOTE=tpols]Hey man don't step mid way into a debate and state your uninformed opinion. He was clearly responding to calabis who was saying kobe would be 'nique if he had no rings.[/QUOTE]
If Kobe had no rings it would seriously tarnish peoples opinion on him. Players have to win rings in order to cement their legacy. It the reason why Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing never get the recognistion they deserve.
Comparing Kobe to nique is a cheap shot I do admit.
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Don't tell me what I can and can't do on a message board.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]You're translating didn't to couldn't. Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't. As I said before Jordan didn't have to score that much. If he needed to, he most likely would've.
Kobe loves to get shots up, damn his percentage.[/QUOTE]
Lol do you really want to play the could have game? I'll focus on the facts here and not the opinions and speculation.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]You're translating didn't to couldn't. Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't. As I said before Jordan didn't have to score that much. If he needed to, he most likely would've.
Kobe loves to get shots up, damn his percentage.[/QUOTE]
And yet Jordan consistently took more FGA per game over the course of their careers. :roll:
Also how many of you on here are even old enough to have seen Jordan in his prime? or even see a game of his pre wizards era?
I find it hard to take an opinion seriously on Jordan when it comes from teenagers.
[QUOTE=tpols]All I'm talking about is scoring. Kobe led a team where chris mihm was his next best support to a win by dropping 81 in a come from behind win. Jordan needed two OT periods to even hit 69. Sorry Kobe clearly has better scoring bursts than jordan.:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
This is so full of fail.
To only look at scoring shows you're not a true basketball fan. If you were them what I said would've registered.
Kobe was down 20+ to the worst team in the league. Jordan was battling a playoff caliber in a close game. Kobe didn't look to get his team involved, Jordan did everything possible to win a close game, scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, dishing assists, getting steals etc. That means more to me as a basketball fan.
[QUOTE=Ne 1]1996 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Sonics 2
GM1: 9-18 FG (50%), 9-10 FT, 28 PTS, 7 REB, 2 AST, 2 TO
GM2: 9-22 FG (40.9%), 10-16 FT, 29 PTS, 6 REB, 8 AST, 2 TO
GM3: 11-23 FG (47.8%), 11-11 FT, 36 PTS, 3 REB, 5 AST, 3 TO
GM4: 6-19 FG (31.6%), 11-13 FT, 23 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 4 TO
GM5: 11-22 FG (50%), 4-5 FT, 26 PTS, 4 REB, 1 AST, 2 TO
GM6: 5-19 FG (26.3%), 11-12 FT, 22 PTS, 9 REB, 7 AST, 5 TO
AVERAGES: 51-123 FG (41.5%), 56-67 FT (83.6%), 27.3 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 3.00 TO, 20.5 FGA per game
1997 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Jazz 2
GM1: 13-27 FG (48.1%), 5-7 FT, 31 PTS, 4 REB, 8 AST, 0 TO
GM2: 11-20 FG (55%), 15-21 FT, 38 PTS, 13 REB, 9 AST, 5 TO
GM3: 9-22 FG (40.9%), 4-5 FT, 26 PTS, 3 REB, 6 AST, 1 TO
GM4: 11-27 FG (40.7%), 0-0 FT, 22 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 3 TO
GM5: 13-27 FG (48.2%), 10-12 FT, 38 PTS, 7 REB, 5 AST, 3 TO
GM6: 15-35 FG (42.9%), 8-10 FT, 39 PTS, 11 REB, 4 AST, 1 TO
AVERAGES: 72-158 FG (45.6%), 42-55 FT (76.4%), 32.3 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 2.17 TO, 26.3 FGA per game
1998 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Jazz 2
GM1: 13-29 FG (44.8%), 6-8 FT, 33 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 0 TO
GM2: 14-33 FG (42.4%), 9-10 FT, 37 PTS, 5 REB, 3 AST, 0 TO
GM3: 7-14 FG (50%), 10-11 FT, 24 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 2 TO
GM4: 12-27 FG (44.4%), 10-15 FT, 34 PTS, 8 REB, 2 AST, 3 TO
GM5: 9-26 FG (34.6%), 10-11 FT, 28 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 4 TO
GM6: 15-35 FG (42.9%), 12-15 FT, 45 PTS, 1 REB, 1 AST, 1 TO
AVERAGES: 70-164 FG (42.7%), 57-70 FT (81.4%), 33.5 PPG, 4 RPG, 2.3 APG, 1.67 TO, 27.3 FGA per game
[SIZE="6"]KOBE TYPE NUMBERS AT AGE 33-35, after a retirement[/SIZE]
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Just a few things:
1) The number of shots taken, compared to the amount of points scored, must not be that big of a deal when Michael Jordan shoots the ball. In 21 of the 34 games, Jordan had no more than seven points over his shot attempts that game.
2) Despite winning two season MVP's in two of the last three championships seasons (1996 and 1998), Jordan's field goal percentages were fairly low, especially for a guy taking 26-27 shots per game. [COLOR="Red"]Despite in 96 he shot 49%, something Kobe has never done and shot Kobe's best 47% in 98 despite being 35 :roll: [/COLOR]
3) Jordan attempted over 25 shots per game four years, and actually launched over 33 shots per game in 1993. He never attempted less than 20 shots per game in six Finals appearances. [COLOR="Red"]Yet he was pretty consistent throughout the playoffs, shooting 48% for his career in a time where it mattered most, 6 times he shot 50% or better[/COLOR]
4) In six of Jordan's 34 Finals games, he missed five or more free throws. In other words, on average, there was one Finals game in each season where Jordan, being a career 83.5% free throw shooter, missed five or six free throws. Yet Jordan how many game winner does MJ have in the finals? how many clutch moments??? Isn't Kobe shooting 81% in the playoffs, that less right then his career reg season and let's not forget 44 FG%[COLOR="Red"]
Also, Jordan matched or exceeded his career free throw shooting percentage just three times in six of his Finals appearances. [COLOR="Red"]All of Kobe's numbers drop or remain the same in the playoffs, Jordan 30ppg career, 33 ppg in playoffs, please try again[/COLOR]
5) Jordan's assists, over a combined 34 Finals games, comes to 5.97 APG. He averaged 2.83 turnovers per game. For every two assists, he threw an average of approximately one turnover per game.
Just some things to chew on, and to have for future references when discussing NBA Finals performances, shooting percentages, turnovers, missed free throws, etc.
With all the articles blasting Bryant and his shot attempts and Finals performances, it might be good to look back on someone who was rarely criticized for anything he ever did.[/QUOTE]
I would post Bryant's, but it would be comical compared to Jordan's playoff resume
[QUOTE=tpols]Lol do you really want to play the could have game? I'll focus on the facts here and not the opinions and speculation.[/QUOTE]
Didn't say focus on that, just pointing out a flaw in your argument.
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Glad your laughing, because it's obvious you cannot differ from the two
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]This is so full of fail.
To only look at scoring shows you're not a true basketball fan. If you were them what I said would've registered.
Kobe was down 20+ to the worst team in the league. Jordan was battling a playoff caliber in a close game. Kobe didn't look to get his team involved, Jordan did everything possible to win a close game, scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, dishing assists, getting steals etc. That means more to me as a basketball fan.[/QUOTE]
Lol jordan beat the cavs when they had a losing record:facepalm Stop trying this bs. Jordan played in a faster pace and had ten extra minutes and he couldn't match kobe's 81. I'm clearly talking about scoring potential so why are you bringing up rebounds? Stay on topic.