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[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]It's only unfair if you're trying to say he was on the same level as guys like Bird, Shaq, Kobe or Jordan. You shouldn't be trying to do that as he was not that type of player.
You may believe he could have been, but he wasn't.[/QUOTE]
You're right, I just don't see why he couldn't have been. That's what frustrates me. I think he could've been based on what I saw how well he did in 94 and 95.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]You're right, I just don't see why he couldn't have been. That's what frustrates me. I think he could've been based on what I saw how well he did in 94 and 95.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, and I don't think that's unfair to think.
My guess, for what that's worth, is that it probably would have ended for Pippen the way it did for Barkley and Patrick Ewing. Close, but no cigar.
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]Maybe, and I don't think that's unfair to think.
My guess, for what that's worth, is that it probably would have ended for Pippen the way it did for Barkley and Patrick Ewing. Close, but no cigar.[/QUOTE]
Even with them. I never saw a season where I believed that these guys had the best team in the league. Maybe 93 for barkley. Either way, im just sick of people saying he couldn't. At least you leave it open as a possibility
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]Maybe, and I don't think that's unfair to think.
My guess, for what that's worth, is that it probably would have ended for Pippen the way it did for Barkley and Patrick Ewing. Close, but no cigar.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure he would have been that close actually. 1993-1994 was a weird season, with Atlanta led by aging Dominique Wilkins and then Danny freaking Manning WINNING the East. As such, 55 games by the Bulls is kind of impressive but not THAT special. The fact that Bulls almost knocked out the Knicks is also impressive but one has to consider that the team was full of role players who knew how to win coming of three straight championships -Grant, BJ Armstrong, Cartwright. Also, the Knicks were almost knocked out by a 47-win Indiana Pacers so its not like they were some kind of juggernaut.
In 1994-1995, the Bulls were a .500 team untill Jordan came back. We all know what happened to Pippen after 1998. So I frankly don't think he would have been as succesful as Barkley or even Ewing on his own.
[QUOTE=kizut1659]I am not sure he would have been that close actually. 1993-1994 was a weird season, with Atlanta led by aging Dominique Wilkins and then Danny freaking Manning WINNING the East. As such, 55 games by the Bulls is kind of impressive but not THAT special. The fact that Bulls almost knocked out the Knicks is also impressive but one has to consider that the team was full of role players who knew how to win coming of three straight championships -Grant, BJ Armstrong, Cartwright. Also, the Knicks were almost knocked out by a 47-win Indiana Pacers so its not like they were some kind of juggernaut.
In 1994-1995, the Bulls were a .500 team untill Jordan came back. We all know what happened to Pippen after 1998. So I frankly don't think he would have been as succesful as Barkley or even Ewing on his own.[/QUOTE]
Wow, spoken like a true hater. All I read in this post is jealousy, excuses,and hatred.
I'll never forget that nasty dunk he had on Ewing, and then just walking over to Spike Lee and mouthing off. :applause:
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wow, spoken like a true hater. All I read in this post is jealousy, excuses,and hatred.[/QUOTE]
I actually liked Pippen (even though i rooted against the Bulls) untill the debacle in Houston, where he blamed Barkley while himself shooting 32% from the field. Pippen's subsequent tenure in the JailBlazers did not help matters
[QUOTE=kizut1659]I actually liked Pippen (even though i rooted against the Bulls) untill the debacle in Houston, where he blamed Barkley while himself shooting 32% from the field. Pippen's subsequent tenure in the JailBlazers did not help matters[/QUOTE]
Lol ok bro. This is similar to the ever popular term, "im not racist, some of my best friends are black. But I don't want them living next to me."
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wow, spoken like a true hater. All I read in this post is jealousy, excuses,and hatred.[/QUOTE]
How is he a hater for saying that? Barkley, Malone never won despite having star talent by their side and despite being perenial MVP candidates.
[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]How is he a hater for saying that? Barkley, Malone never won despite having star talent by their side and despite being perenial MVP candidates.[/QUOTE]
First, he questions their competition, players were old, he says the knicks weren't that good. And actually, the 95 bulls were I believe 3 games over 500 when jordan came back.and even if they were .500 as talent goes, they werent even that good. That was a 30 win team. Why not just give credit where credit is due. Like I told old school basketball. I could poke holes in any season and find excuses as to why a team did or didn't win.
I just checked and the hawks had wilkins who in 34 minutes avg 24 ppg, kevin willis was avg 19 and 12, danny manning, and arguably the best defensive backcourt that year with mookie blaylock and stacy augmon. And both of them chipped in 14 to 15 ppg. And craig ehlo was a solid 6th man. Why is that not a mid 50 win team? And the knicks were the bulls biggest rival with jordan. But once jordan leaves, they're not good enough? Come on
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I just checked and the hawks had wilkins who in 34 minutes avg 24 ppg, kevin willis was avg 19 and 12, danny manning, and arguably the best defensive backcourt that year with mookie blaylock and stacy augmon. And both of them chipped in 14 to 15 ppg. And craig ehlo was a solid 6th man. Why is that not a mid 50 win team? And the knicks were the bulls biggest rival with jordan. But once jordan leaves, they're not good enough? Come on[/QUOTE]
Nique and Manning were traded for each other. They never played together.
[QUOTE=guy]Nique and Manning were traded for each other. They never played together.[/QUOTE]
Oh well then I guess they're really a 40 win team then. Lol
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Oh well then I guess they're really a 40 win team then. Lol[/QUOTE]
Never said that. Just correcting you.
[QUOTE=guy]Never said that. Just correcting you.[/QUOTE]
I know. Im just joking