Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?

[QUOTE=chips93]i was wring, i did mean to say you can run a play for either of them but to me they are in practice the same thing.
there is no difference tho, a guy running off of screens, or getting an entry pass into the low block isnt help is it? how is a guy who can score off of an iso any different to a guy who can score off a curl?[/QUOTE]


No, it is not the same thing. Guys who you can iso for the last play of the game are max contract guys. IF you could iso Deng and he could get off a decent shot he would be in the upper echelon of SFs instead of just a good one.

[QUOTE=8BeastlyXOIAD]:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

So I guess people would want Rose over Wade as well:facepalm[/QUOTE]


Hell yeah. Rose is younger and has a better injury history.

No is saying the better PLAYER...it's the BETTER FIT.

Wade is damn near 30 homie.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Deng cannot creat off the dribble well.

Not saying he can't but it is definietly not a strength...it could be considered a weakness.


When we had Deng, Gordon, Kirk on the perimeter we struggled to score.


In comes this rookie and all of a sudden our offense looks TONS better.


Call it what you want but real recognize real...[/QUOTE]

first off, :oldlol: at you using real recognize real in a serious manner. incredibly corny, you must be up there in age and trying to maintain a cool hip vibe or whatever...

second of all, the offense isn't all that much better, its your defense that is winning games.

deng has never struggled to score the ball. we're talking about deng specifically. in fact, hes having one of his poorer seasons in terms of shooting %'s.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Hell yeah. Rose is younger and has a better injury history.

No is saying the better PLAYER...it's the BETTER FIT.

Wade is damn near 30 homie.[/QUOTE]

he's a human crash dummy at that.

someone thats 30 that playing that reckless still isnt gonna give u a lot more epic years.

[QUOTE=donald_trump]first off, :oldlol: at you using real recognize real in a serious manner. incredibly corny, you must be up there in age and trying to maintain a cool hip vibe or whatever...

second of all, the offense isn't all that much better, its your defense that is winning games.

deng has never struggled to score the ball. we're talking about deng specifically. in fact, hes having one of his poorer seasons in terms of shooting %'s.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I was SO serious dog. Like I'm here really trying to be serious with an ISH troll.:rolleyes:

Deng HAS struggled to score the ball FOOL.

You haven't followed the Bull's half as much as I have in the past 15 years.

I like how you totally disregarded the post you quoted and critiqued my slang though.

Enough of this.

No use in talking to you at all.

[QUOTE=donald_trump]first off, :oldlol: at you using real recognize real in a serious manner. incredibly corny, you must be up there in age and trying to maintain a cool hip vibe or whatever...

second of all, the offense isn't all that much better, its your defense that is winning games.

deng has never struggled to score the ball. we're talking about deng specifically. in fact, hes having one of his poorer seasons in terms of shooting %'s.[/QUOTE]

its reached Kobe level. now Rose is making Deng. I love it.

Deng in 07:

19 points 7 boards 3 assists in 37.5 minutes. 56%ts 52%efg

Deng in 11:

18 points 6 boards 3 assists in 39 minutes. 55% ts 51%efg

Yep. Rose made Deng. Deng sucks without Rose. LOL

And a side note on why ts% is a joke. Deng shot 52% from the field in 07 and is shooting 46% this year. TS% somehow rewards Deng for jacking up way too many threes this year. Deng also shot better from the ft line in 07 as well.

LOL at True Shooting and LOL at Rose making Deng.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]No, it is not the same thing. Guys who you can iso for the last play of the game are max contract guys. IF you could iso Deng and he could get off a decent shot he would be in the upper echelon of SFs instead of just a good one.[/QUOTE]


tbh thats a good point that i hadnt considered, but for the first 3 quarters of a game they are the same

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]its reached Kobe level. now Rose is making Deng. I love it.

Deng in 07:

19 points 7 boards 3 assists in 37.5 minutes. 56%ts 52%efg

Deng in 11:

18 points 6 boards 3 assists in 39 minutes. 55% ts 51%efg

Yep. Rose made Deng. Deng sucks without Rose. LOL[/QUOTE]


You love it because you and Rose haters are trying once again to skew an argument for justifying your loathesome feelings for Chicago's very own.

No one said Rose MADE Deng.

The issue was that Deng cannot create his own shot.

Earlier in his career and sometimes even now, it is easy for him to have a very silent game.

16-19 points is cool, but it can be low impact if it is not when your team really needs it.

You understand that by watching games.

Deng is having his second best season of his career, arguably his best all around.

You can attribute that to Thibs, Rose, Gar, Pax, his girlfriend's new keggel exercise class...I don't give a ****.

[QUOTE=chips93]tbh thats a good point that i hadnt considered, but for the first 3 quarters of a game they are the same[/QUOTE]


The end of shot clocks.

Broken down plays.

Killing runs.

Taking advantage of mismatches.






It's not just at the end of games though.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]

And a side note on why ts% is a joke. Deng shot 52% from the field in 07 and is shooting 46% this year. [B]TS% somehow rewards Deng for jacking up way too many threes this year[/B]. Deng also shot better from the ft line in 07 as well.

LOL at True Shooting [/QUOTE]

it rewards him for making a shot that counts for 3 instead of 2. 3 is bigger than 2. that is why it is weighted as such. TS% makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]You love it because you and Rose haters are trying once again to skew an argument for justifying your loathesome feelings for Chicago's very own.

No one said Rose MADE Deng.

The issue was that Deng cannot create his own shot.

Earlier in his career and sometimes even now, it is easy for him to have a very silent game.

16-19 points is cool, but it can be low impact if it is not when your team really needs it.

You understand that by watching games.

Deng is having his second best season of his career, arguably his best all around.

You can attribute that to Thibs, Rose, Gar, Pax, his girlfriend's new keggel exercise class...I don't give a ****.[/QUOTE]

Nah, Deng is just like every other player in the league scoring around 18 points. Deng's value comes from him being a utility player that can play good defense, rebound, and score when you need it. He absolutely can get his own shot, but that isn't even relevant. He scores a lot of his points without being a ball stopper. That is a huge positive. So you see invisible and I see a lamar odom type player that can put up great numbers without having a lot of plays run for him.

Deng is about as good of a third option as there is in the league and is a great all around player in that role.

He's not having the best year of his career. That would be 07 actually. Good effort.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]The end of shot clocks.

Broken down plays.

[B]Killing runs.[/B]

Taking advantage of mismatches.






It's not just at the end of games though.[/QUOTE]


again good point, things i hadnt considered, i would disagree with the bolded tho. and broken down play is essentially the same as shot clock situation.

[QUOTE=chips93]it rewards him for making a shot that counts for 3 instead of 2. 3 is bigger than 2. that is why it is weighted as such. TS% makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE]

actually it doesn't. look at the numbers. its ridiculous that the ts% would be that close from 07 to this year.

its a flawed stat. its ok, but its much better to look at the raw numbers.

in 07 Deng took almost no threes. he missed a lot less shots and shot better from the ft line.

raw data is always better.

lol rose is good but hes being overhyped in this thread.

both lebron and wade are better than rose. i'd gladly take either of them for rose at this point.

lebrons a choker? since when is is a 29-8-8 average in the playoffs choking? its not his fault anthony parker and mo williams combined for 8 points in big games here and there haha

66 wins, and 61 wins with idiots like mo williams and a terrible coach like mike brown. nuff said

bulls wont make it past round 2. the heat are winning the playoffs 16-4

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]
And a side note on why ts% is a joke. Deng shot 52% from the field in 07 and is shooting 46% this year. TS% somehow rewards Deng for jacking up way too many threes this year. Deng also shot better from the ft line in 07 as well.

LOL at True Shooting and LOL at Rose making Deng.[/QUOTE]
And his TS% is lower this year... so what's your point?