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[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Many times?

The Mavs under achieved twice technically. 07 losing to the warriors and 10 losing to the spurs.

Every other year the Mavs went farther than expected or lost when expected.
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
DMAVS41, don't you think that they were favored to win in 06? The West (Mavs, Suns, Spurs) was so much stronger than the East. I'm pretty confident that if Spurs had gotten past DAL in 06, they would have beaten the HEAT (had Bowen to guard Wade and TD, Rasho and Nazr to guard Shaq).

[QUOTE=Skep]Kblaze is a known Malone hater. All of his arguments involve off the court stuff about Karl. Nothing to do with how he played. Pretty sure Kblaze has daddy issues.[/QUOTE]
I know, it's delightful. :applause:

[QUOTE=rmt]DMAVS41, don't you think that they were favored to win in 06? The West (Mavs, Suns, Spurs) was so much stronger than the East. I'm pretty confident that if Spurs had gotten past DAL in 06, they would have beaten the HEAT (had Bowen to guard Wade and TD, Rasho and Nazr to guard Shaq).[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about over-achieving as a whole.

Meaning.....they grossly over achieved just to beat the spurs. That is my problem.

Its like making the finals and upsetting the spurs as huge underdogs is now more of a negative against the mavs than a positive because of what happened in the finals.

the truth is that the mavs had no business making the finals that year.

That is my point.

Dirk over Karl Malone?

nah.

Sir Charles is clearly the best pf of all time, the only advantage Duncan had over chuck was defense, plus he played center for most of his career.

[QUOTE=iggy>]Sir Charles is clearly the best pf of all time, the only advantage Duncan had over chuck was defense, plus he played center for most of his career.[/QUOTE]

Duncan's defense was WAAAY better though

dont forget winning, clutch, sacrificing, post game, ect

[QUOTE=iggy>]Sir Charles is clearly the best pf of all time, [B]the only advantage Duncan had over chuck was [U]defense[/U][/B], plus he played center for most of his career.[/QUOTE]

Defense is half of the game.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I'm talking about over-achieving as a whole.

Meaning.....they grossly over achieved just to beat the spurs. That is my problem.

Its like making the finals and upsetting the spurs as huge underdogs is now more of a negative against the mavs than a positive because of what happened in the finals.

the truth is that the mavs had no business making the finals that year.

That is my point.[/QUOTE]

Well, if it's any consolation to you - that Mavs 06 series and Dirk, in particular, turned Pop to small ball and away from a 7 footer beside TD. He got rid of Rasho, Nazr, Ratliff + Splitter on the bench in favor of Oberto, Dice, Bonner and Blair.:banghead:

[B]In the Paint and In The Mid Range

Barkley Season: 21.6 PPG on 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG at 58.13% Two-Point FG%
Barkley Play-Offs: 22.5 PPG on 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG at 55.13% Two-Point FG%

Barkley was too good offensively compared to any player[/B]

Four words for this thread: Prisoners of the moment.

If Dirk does not perform to the standard he has set in the OKC series and Dallas ends up losing, everybody will forget they ever considered ranking Dirk ahead of Malone/Barkley/KG and things will go back to normal.

:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=CJ Mustard]Four words for this thread: Prisoners of the moment.

If Dirk does not perform to the standard he has set in the OKC series and Dallas ends up losing, everybody will forget they ever considered ranking Dirk ahead of Malone/Barkley/KG and things will go back to normal.

:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]


[B]Rings don`t matter at all when u talk about Dominant Players

Barkley and Malone where dominant. Dirk is highly skilled for a 7footer but he aint dominant[/B]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Rings don`t matter at all when u talk about Dominant Players

Barkley and Malone where dominant. Dirk is highly skilled for a 7footer but he aint dominant[/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly.

The whole notion that if a certain player wins a title, he automatically jumps players who were very clearly better players at their peak is completely ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Rings don`t matter at all when u talk about Dominant Players

Barkley and Malone where dominant. Dirk is highly skilled for a 7footer but he aint dominant[/B][/QUOTE]

you cannot be serious if you think that Dirk is not dominant. He's one of the most efficient offensive players of all time (considering shooting percentages and turnovers) and one of the best and most consistent 4th quarter scorers of his generation.
What else constitutes dominance?

Not saying Dirk has be ranked above Barkley, Malone or KG (Timmy is a no brainer, obviously), but to call him not dominant? :roll:

[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]you cannot be serious if you think that Dirk is not dominant. He's one of the most efficient offensive players of all time (considering shooting percentages and turnovers) and one of the best and most consistent 4th quarter scorers of his generation.
What else constitutes dominance?[/QUOTE]

[B]He cant rebound like Barkley or Malone
He can`t score in the Paint like Barkley or Malone
He can`t pass like Barkley or Create like Barkley
He is an on Ok shot blocker not in the level of Barkley
He can`t steal like Barkley or Malone`s quick hands
He can`t finish when driving like Barkley or Malone etc

He is a dominant scorer but thats not dominant. Dominant has to be alteast in 3-4 areas[/B]