Dan Gilbert and Robert Sarver killed CBA deal

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]lol the owners % doesnt just all go in their pockets. If it did they wouldnt be losing any money and their'd be no lockout.

The owners share goes into the teams/league. You know, the flights, hotels, equipment, arenas, advertising, officials, etc etc.

Owners obviously get a sizable cut in salary but they arent just pocketing their share of the revenue unlike the players, lol

More revenue on the owners side probably means better product for the fans. But we know what this is perceived as. "big rich white owners vs little poor (lol) black players" so the liberal emos and the racially hypersensitive naturally side with the players when really fans have no reason to side with either. Its their negotiations.[/QUOTE]

Yea Sterling is known for reinvesting back into his team.

Why does it cost the NBA owners so much to fly and house their 15 players, but the NFl can somehow fly and house 53 players plus more coaches and still turn profit. Don't you think the upkeep on a football field would be higher than a basketball court? The equipment costs should also be cheaper in the NBA than other sports. All they have is shorts, a tank top and a ball, compared to other sports which have pads, helmets, bats, sticks, etc., etc.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Do you understand what percentage means? Seems like you don't.

People don't watch NFL because it has parity. People watch NFL because it has football. NCAA has no parity, and people still watch it. They had 2 unbeaten teams who weren't even allowed to compete for the title last year, and did that stop anyone from watching? Nope. People love football because they play football.[/QUOTE]


Is 53% of 10 billion the same as 53% of 1 billion?

My god you are a retarded f@ggot and vag1na

[QUOTE=brantonli]Have you seen how the NBA teams can make profit look like losses? They have this thing that somehow estimates how much a player decreases in value in $$$ terms, and put this as a -$XXX on their books, and voil

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Yea Sterling is known for reinvesting back into his team.

Why does it cost the NBA owners so much to fly and house their 15 players, but the NFl can somehow fly and house 53 players plus more coaches and still turn profit. Don't you think the upkeep on a football field would be higher than a basketball court? The equipment costs should also be cheaper in the NBA than other sports. All they have is shorts, a tank top and a ball, compared to other sports which have pads, helmets, bats, sticks, etc., etc.[/QUOTE]
really? transportation costs and equipment? a total disregard of the nba (or nhl.... oh yeah whats their average income)'s revenue compared to those sports? that is weak from you, sarcastic

that data above is from 2006 and is even more skewed in the nba's favor today.


Now, the players have every right to push their priorities in labor negotiation, but its pretty clear that their incredibly bloated salaries (and long term guarantees) are gonna come down.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

I can't believe you brought up average salary.

Here let's do some second grade math.

NFL makes 9 billion but needs 1500 players.
NBA makes 4 billion but needs 400 players.

Guess which league's players bring in more per player.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Is 53% of 10 billion the same as 53% of 1 billion?

My god you are a retarded f@ggot and vag1na[/QUOTE]

My god no wonder you don't have a job. You don't know anything about math. Give my condolences to your parents. I am sure they tried their best. You are just an utter failure.

The MLB has rosters from at least 25 to as many as 40.

NFL has 53.

NHL has 20 to 23 active but alowed 50 total.

The NBA has 12 active and 15 total allowed.

4 billion coming in and 400-450 players.

NFL has 9 billion coming in and 1700 to 2000 players a season

NHL has under 3 billion for at least 700 players active but more than that in total.

MLb had 6.5 billion with 750+ players.


Is it really hard to see why the average NBA player makes more?

Just less people to spread the money around to.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]The MLB has rosters from at least 25 to as many as 40.

NFL has 53.

NHL has 20 to 23 active but alowed 50 total.

The NBA has 12 active and 15 total allowed.

4 billion coming in and 400-450 players.

NFL has 9 billion coming in and 1700 to 2000 players a season

NHL has under 3 billion for at least 700 players active but more than that in total.

MLb had 6.5 billion with 750+ players.


Is it really hard to see why the average NBA player makes more?

Just less people to spread the money around to.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget that the NBA has more black players than the other sports, so that ruffles extra feathers.

I am ashamed as a Suns fan, and mad as f[COLOR="Black"]uc[/COLOR]k!

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]My god no wonder you don't have a job. You don't know anything about math. Give my condolences to your parents. I am sure they tried their best. You are just an utter failure.[/QUOTE]

Hah, argument fail.

You are an eternal vag1na.

You determine what side youre going to take (underdog/little guy) before you even look at any of the facts or perspectives.

You arent a man. Youre a woman. You have no brain, no testiklez, just one sopping wet vageen

Can anybody say this is a surprise? Sarver is no surprise here.

owners like sarver are the reason why this lockout will go at minimum until january. hate to say it but i think we lose the whole season. too many owners are willing to give up most of the season to get their way and that's a hard cap. the NBAPA doesn't even know what they wanna do. fisher is saying they shouldn't decertify...and i really don't see why not. what's the worst that could happen?

if owners want a hard cap and no guaranteed contracts, they should be willing to give up some of the BRI. even with guys like buss and others willing to revenue share, i don't think it's enough to save it. maybe something like a 'franchise tag' like the NFL does could be a middle ground. remember, NHL went for a hard cap and there's rumblings that they're headed for yet another lockout. a hard cap doesn't automatically solve everything.

as far as gilbert, he's STILL acting like the scorned girlfriend. love how people were rooting for him when it was him vs. lebron, but without lebron, do you think gilbert would have as much money as he does? enough money to start building casinos right outside cleveland? that's the type of stuff that isn't even made transparent either in total revenues. gilbert can keep playing the victim and making a hard stance on guaranteed contracts and hard caps. or he can practice what he preaches about being a man of the people and loving the purity of the game.

despite all that, i know these two aren't the sole reason the deal isn't getting done. far from it....

[QUOTE=blacknapalm]owners like sarver are the reason why this lockout will go at minimum until january. hate to say it but i think we lose the whole season. too many owners are willing to give up most of the season to get their way and that's a hard cap. the NBAPA doesn't even know what they wanna do. fisher is saying they shouldn't decertify...and i really don't see why not. what's the worst that could happen?

if owners want a hard cap and no guaranteed contracts, they should be willing to give up some of the BRI. even with guys like buss and others willing to revenue share, i don't think it's enough to save it. maybe something like a 'franchise tag' like the NFL does could be a middle ground. remember, NHL went for a hard cap and there's rumblings that they're headed for yet another lockout. a hard cap doesn't automatically solve everything.

as far as gilbert, he's STILL acting like the scorned girlfriend. love how people were rooting for him when it was him vs. lebron, but without lebron, do you think gilbert would have as much money as he does? enough money to start building casinos right outside cleveland? that's the type of stuff that isn't even made transparent either in total revenues. gilbert can keep playing the victim and making a hard stance on guaranteed contracts and hard caps. or he can practice what he preaches about being a man of the people and loving the purity of the game.

despite all that, i know these two aren't the sole reason the deal isn't getting done. far from it....[/QUOTE]

I think by the time the seasons starts I think jan could be a realistic time frame :cry:

Good for them. I like NBA basketball as much as anyone but the owners take all the risk and the players should not be making 52% let alone the 57% they were making. They own the teams and they take all the financial risks.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Do you understand what percentage means? Seems like you don't.

People don't watch NFL because it has parity. People watch NFL because it has football. NCAA has no parity, and people still watch it. They had 2 unbeaten teams who weren't even allowed to compete for the title last year, and did that stop anyone from watching? Nope. People love football because they play football.[/QUOTE]

even if its percentage it doesnt mean that all expenses are also percentage based like salaries so there will be a point where revenues are capable of covering those expenses. And NCAA has parity thats why it has higher ratings than nba. or what you mean is ncaa football.