ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]:roll: who?..Online Basketball elitists...every fan I meet in the real world recognizes how great Kobe was then.....01' 29PPG 6REB 6AST in the playoff's with a 33PPG 7REB &AST series vs the Spurs....

but your here saying Magic was the "man" and carried Kareem sidekick azz becuase he won Finals MVP in 1980???:lol ....is that the logic?

again....hardly anyone in the real world agrees with the B.S. we type here...we are a very small % of the fanbase


Kobe was Voted Best Player of the 00's by far....by the majority of fans...

save the elitists BS....No one cares outside of here...5X Champion and Best player of his generation.....and it aint even close.




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I guess 24 in your user name wasn't for Richard Jefferson.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Any sane basketball fan has those three over Kobe on the GOAT list. GTFO[/QUOTE]

Then I guess Jerry West isn't a sane basketball fan. He thinks Kobe is the greatest Laker of all time.

PS: This doesn't mean I think Kobe is above those three.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Then I guess Jerry West isn't a sane basketball fan. He thinks Kobe is the greatest Laker of all time.

PS: This doesn't mean I think Kobe is above those three.[/QUOTE]
Jerry West also said LeBron was better than Kobe, so I don't think you of all people want to use him to back up anything. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=SFMF]I guess 24 in your user name wasn't for Richard Jefferson.[/QUOTE]


meh....someone copied my account and stole "AlphaWolf"...so I had to add the "# of the shotclock"..."hours of the day"...


hey look at your avatar..it has Jordan in it:rolleyes:



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[QUOTE=RRR3]Jerry West also said LeBron was better than Kobe, so I don't think you of all people want to use him to back up anything. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


alltime or for 1/2 of the season???


thought so....


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[QUOTE=RRR3]Jerry West also said LeBron was better than Kobe, so I don't think you of all people want to use him to back up anything. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Looks like reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

I clearly wasn't using Jerry West's opinion to back up Kobe.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Looks like reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

I clearly wasn't using Jerry West's opinion to back up Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Then why would you even put it out there? :facepalm It's irrelevant and you shouldn't have posted it, especially if you think Magic>Kobe.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Then why would you even put it out there? :facepalm It's irrelevant and you shouldn't have posted it, especially if you think Magic>Kobe.[/QUOTE]

Oh sweet Jesus :facepalm

It was to point out that you think Jerry West is an insane basketball fan. That's pretty stupid considering Jerry West is a top 15 player all-time, but apparently you know more about basketball :facepalm

[QUOTE=RRR3]Then why would you even put it out there? :facepalm It's irrelevant and you shouldn't have posted it, especially if you think Magic>Kobe.[/QUOTE]

Because someone (was it you) said No sane basketball fan would say Kobe>Magic....

when clearly Jerry West has said that many times....If he believes Kobe is the greatest "LAKER OF ALLTIME" that means he's saying Kobe is better then Magic...


cot damn.....with all the "basketball math" that goes on here you would think y'all would have undertood...


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Din't Magic even say Kobe = GOAL's???

:roll:


but 3% of fans online say Kobe was overrated for 3peating with Shaq who hardly did sh!t without Kobe and 90% of the fanbase views Kobe as the greatest player of the 2000's ....but that don't mean anything???



this is just silly.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Oh sweet Jesus :facepalm

It was to point out that you think Jerry West is an insane basketball fan. That's pretty stupid considering Jerry West is a top 15 player all-time, but apparently you know more about basketball :facepalm[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=andgar923]because there's other aspects besides just those two. And as anybody can tell you, Magic could control the game without his scoring and be more impactful than Kobe could dropping 40 pts.

And it aint as if Kobe was a great dominant defender either. I'm sure that the gap isn't as wide as Kobe fans want to make it. Sure, Magic wasn't as great of a one on one defender as Kobe, but Magic was good at helping and anticipating, somehow he just made the right play defensively.

And Magic handling the ball dropping 12 assists and 19 points is more dangerous offensively than Kobe due to the various mismatch problems he presents. His ability to not just create a shot for himself on anybody guarding him but also getting his teammates involved is more potent.

But if we wanna go ahead and start listing things that Magic is better than Kobe at doing... here we go:

Leadership
IQ
Rebounding
Passing
Help defense
Creating mismatch problems
Offensive impact

Kobe... can score better and defend better. Although the impact offensively isn't as great, and the impact defensively is marginal.

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Anyone who tells you Magic impacts the game far greater then Kobe is a fool with lack of knowledge of the game. Magic was only potent on offense do to the style the Lakers played and having great finishers surrounding him. Kobe in the other hand had no one in the league who can stop him which created more match up problems do to them playing team defense. Magics rebounds and assist are overrated.

As a guard its hard to be a "Dominant" defender. Only player to do so is the Real MJ which why he is on the top. Also as a Guard if you are a Lock Down defender that is amazing asset to have on a team. Only Bigs can be Dominant Defender so do not take Kobes defense for granted. I can agree if you say he play lazy at times.

I can agree to certain extent that getting Team involved is more important then ur Star Player getting hot. Most likely on situations but I rather have my Star player like Kobe who is one of the most potent player ever when he is hot which impacts the offense much greater in games then Magic can. Magic's offense is like poor mans LeBron with slightly better IQ and post game with better clutch factor which is Great but Kobe impacts the game much more do to the style he plays which is Scoring and Basketball out of any sports YOU NEED TO SCORE A LOT.

LOL at the list. You can barley think of a list. I can go miles on how many thing Kobe is better then Magic on in terms of Basketball.

I think ur mad after you thought about everything but couldnt come up with a thing that has a solid argument.

Go google it up some more and come back. Till then

Kobe > Magic

[QUOTE=ZaaaaaH]Anyone who tells you Magic impacts the game far greater then Kobe is a fool with lack of knowledge of the game. Magic was only potent on offense do to the style the Lakers played and having great finishers surrounding him. Kobe in the other hand had no one in the league who can stop him which created more match up problems do to them playing team defense. Magics rebounds and assist are overrated.

As a guard its hard to be a "Dominant" defender. Only player to do so is the Real MJ which why he is on the top. Also as a Guard if you are a Lock Down defender that is amazing asset to have on a team. Only Bigs can be Dominant Defender so do not take Kobes defense for granted. I can agree if you say he play lazy at times.

I can agree to certain extent that getting Team involved is more important then ur Star Player getting hot. Most likely on situations but I rather have my Star player like Kobe who is one of the most potent player ever when he is hot which impacts the offense much greater in games then Magic can. Magic's offense is like poor mans LeBron with slightly better IQ and post game with better clutch factor which is Great but Kobe impacts the game much more do to the style he plays which is Scoring and Basketball out of any sports YOU NEED TO SCORE A LOT.

LOL at the list. You can barley think of a list. I can go miles on how many thing Kobe is better then Magic on in terms of Basketball.

I think ur mad after you thought about everything but couldnt come up with a thing that has a solid argument.

Go google it up some more and come back. Till then

Kobe > Magic[/QUOTE]



This....

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] for #2.

Hey OmegaMutt24,
Why are you arguing for Kobe? Hypocrite :oldlol:
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24] I'll give you the players that I have watched for nearly 30years...I never watched Basketball when Russell or Wilt or to familiar with any Pro Game before 1980.....these are the best players that I have watched and followed..

pretty much from 1980 till present...

1.Magic
2.Jordan
3.Kobe
4.Bird
5.Duncan
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Gotta love the insecurity in this thread. :oldlol:

Let's try another Dr. Jack style breakdown:

[B]Originality:[/B]
Kobe was a shooting guard molded in the standard model first instituted by Jordan in 1984. Magic? A rarity at 6' 9" & 235 lbs. A legitimate triple threat every possession. Inside. Outside. On the run. His size allowed him to dribble face up constantly. On defense, he blotted out the opposing guard's court vision.

[B]Scoring[/B]:
Kobe's the better shooter and far more athletic. Magic was no slouch in this department, though, but he had the teammates to feed first. He could post up and hit with hook shots all night long. The better free throw shooter. Incredible finisher as well. It's important to note that Magic's drive & dish abilities were limited by KAJ's presence in the paint.

[B]Rebounding[/B]:
Kobe is a solid rebounder, but Magic's size and strength wins this.

[B]Passing[/B]: Kobe's a skilled passer, but Magic has an unbelievable handle and always made excellent decisions with the ball. Probably the greatest fast-break trigger man ever.

[B]Defense[/B]: Kobe played inspired, physical D on the ball, but only on occasion. Magic was just a strictly team defender.

[B]Intangibles[/B]: Kobe is/was a clutch shooter, but Magic has him beat in this department because he also maximized his teammates' abilities.

[B]Career accomplishments:[/B] others already listed this, but they're not as important to me. What's more important is leading the team. Magic led his team to [I]9 finals in 12 years[/I]. Faced far more powerful teams in the 80s (lost only to the 83 Sixers, the fo fo fo Moses, the 84 Celtics, the 89 Pistons, and the 91 Bulls - all superior to the 00 teams except for the 08 Celtics and the 05 Spurs) Kobe had Shaq, a more dominant center than KAJ, for the first 8 years of his career, which mitigates his first 4 finals trips somewhat. Kobe's had the longer career, but we can't blame Magic for getting HIV that cut it short.

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] in a landslide. :cheers: