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That's why I said there were only 2 possibilities...
1. no tech
2. no intelligent life forms
If the technology is there we would know they are there. If the Von Nuemann machine isn't possible then it isn't possible for life to travel to other life. So, no Von Nuemann then no life.
That's how I sees it. I hope I'm wrong though.
Another thing I was thinking about, is that it would be cool to have a giant depiction of the images in the original post of this thread. I am wondering if you had a giant diagram, like imagine putting a diagram on the side of some immense wall, how big would big would it have to be, if say on the diagram the Earth was as big as a quarter or something?
It would be cool to see it from a distance and then walk up to it very close.. you could get a good idea of the scale that way.
first, some one asked about a googleplex, and I never saw an answer... A google is 10^100. A googleplex is 10^google.
Second, for anyone with time/interest, Arthur C. Clarks Odyssey (2001,2010, 2061 and 3001)books have some interesting takes on a lot of the things discussed here, although 3001 prolly addresses the majority of them in the best way. Each book can be read without any knowledge of the others, so feel free to skip to that one, if you want. It even discusses how Von Nuemann type machines could observe/affect our world.
Finally, a lot of the most recent theories state that while there is not definite boundry to the Universe, eventually the momentum of the planets/stars/cosmic dust gained through the bigbang will run out, at which time the universe will begin to collapse back on itself. Of course, the popular theories seem to go back and forth between that and the infinitly expanding universe theory on a regular basis. Also, a seldom heard theory (no clue what the name is ) says that after the expansion stops, pockets of the Universe will collapse back in on itself, eventally causing multiple "big bangs" at cosmicly large distances from each othe at some time in the future, instead of another huge big bang from the whole universe collapsing into itself.
I think, all the theories are fun and stuff, and I'd love to know what will happen. But, until God wants us too, we prolly won't know.
Can you imagine the gravitational pull on Jupiter. I don't know how accurate I am, but a petite 90 lb girl would probably weight a few hundred lbs, maybe even a thousand pounds on jupiter.
[QUOTE=Jerm]No matter what Einstein tells you, you can't manipulate time.[/QUOTE]
Jerm you are wrong. Time is not stable. Time is directly proportional to speed. Time has been manipulated many times. When astronauts go into space they set their watches with NASA time and when they come back their watches and 1 or 2 minutes behind time. Because a space shuttle travels so fast, time actually slows down. This has been proven in labratories as well. Einstein is right.
Electronic time may change but speed won't stop you from aging like you're supposed to. Don't think of time like something you see in a clock or watch. Time isn't a number per se, if you're going to be wrinkly in "90 years", you'll be wrinkly in "90 years".
lol I can't believe you grown ass men can still believe in some mythical fairy tale like god and all that religious bullsh1t. Totally devoid of any logic based thinking. It's like me telling you to please believe I have a magic unicorn above my head, as a rational person, why the fvck would you believe me if I can't prove it????
The thing is that even though people can't show you God, they can show you things that God has done in their lives and in the life of others. Your unicorn?...That is only in your dreams.
what is time if it cant be measured Jerm?
Time isn't what you neccessarily see on your watch. I could measure time using the position of the sun in the sky. I doubt speed will be able to manipulate that. Isn't that what sundials are all about anyway?
ok here's one for you then.....there are elements on the sun that only last like 0.0000000000001 seconds before they die. Somehow, we know these elements exist because we are able to see them on Earth for that 0.0000000000001 seconds before they vanish. But, lets not forget that the suns rays take 8 minutes to get to earth. How can this be explained? When something travels at the speed of light, time is slowed down dramatically. No time passes when something travels that fast, until it hits the earth and stops moving. Then it is effected by time like we are. So dont act like you know what you are talking about.
Are you trying to tell me that if I can somehow get in a machine that travels at the speed of light, in "30years", I won't be having grey hair?...I call shenenigans. By the way, what you're claiming is just a theory that can't be proven right/wrong. Wasn't this all in Einstein's relativity model?
Time cannot be manipulated. It is not a physical entity like length/heigth. Time is an abstract entitity IMO atleast.
no it is fact!! It has been proven right. And yes i am saying that if you had a twin brother and he was on earth and you were traveling at the speed of light that you would live forever while he would die at 76 or whatever.
[QUOTE=FabCasablancas]Another thing I was thinking about, is that it would be cool to have a giant depiction of the images in the original post of this thread. I am wondering if you had a giant diagram, like imagine putting a diagram on the side of some immense wall, how big would big would it have to be, if say on the diagram the Earth was as big as a quarter or something?
It would be cool to see it from a distance and then walk up to it very close.. you could get a good idea of the scale that way.[/QUOTE]
if earth was the size of a quarter, the biggest sun would be the size of the earth.
[QUOTE=Jerm]Are you trying to tell me that if I can somehow get in a machine that travels at the speed of light, in "30years", I won't be having grey hair?...I call shenenigans. By the way, what you're claiming is just a theory that can't be proven right/wrong. Wasn't this all in Einstein's relativity model?
Time cannot be manipulated. It is not a physical entity like length/heigth. Time is an abstract entitity IMO atleast.[/QUOTE]
no it has been proven by experimentation that the faster you travel the slower time becomes. It has been only proven by a few milliseconds because we can't travel very fast, but it has been proven.