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Killing pimps wont do much of anything. Its too widespread a market with too many women down to fill the need.
Way the world tends to find a way to make the worst of things you probably kill a pimp with 2 kids who end up in the system without him to support them and they end up criminals doing as much to hurt the world as the pimp would by converting 2 extra women.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Killing pimps wont do much of anything. Its too widespread a market with too many women down to fill the need.
Way the world tends to find a way to make the worst of things you probably kill a pimp with 2 kids who end up in the system without him to support them and they end up criminals doing as much to hurt the world as the pimp would by converting 2 extra women.[/QUOTE]
As true as this may be we can never concede to this idea or we already lost. For me it all ties back into what I said about crime vs law enforcement. It may seem like we are making no progress or like you can't make a difference but once you acknowledge that, the battle is lost.
I think what happens is you hold your ground and push back as long as you can until a breakthrough is made. Look at mob history for example. The mobs in America looked all powerful and ran so much. They ran Vegas. They ran Chicago. They ran a lot and it looked like everything law enforcement did was a waste of time and energy. Then the government passed the RICO act which allowed prosecution of entire mob families and illegal businesses rather than having to try each of them.
The mafia was eventually neutered in America pretty much. Still exists but doesn't have much power here, at least in comparison to before. Not trying to give history lesson but pointing out that even if the stopping of drugs and pimping seems hopeless.. a certain law or tactic will eventually come that will break it's back.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]As true as this may be we can never concede to this idea or we already lost. For me it all ties back into what I said about crime vs law enforcement. It may seem like we are making no progress or like you can't make a difference but once you acknowledge that, the battle is lost.
I think what happens is you hold your ground and push back as long as you can until a breakthrough is made. Look at mob history for example. The mobs in America looked all powerful and ran so much. They ran Vegas. They ran Chicago. They ran a lot and it looked like everything law enforcement did was a waste of time and energy. Then the government passed the RICO act which allowed prosecution of entire mob families and illegal businesses rather than having to try each of them.
The mafia was eventually neutered in America pretty much. Still exists but doesn't have much power here, at least in comparison to before. Not trying to give history lesson but pointing out that even if the stopping of drugs and pimping seems hopeless.. a certain law or tactic will eventually come that will break it's back.[/QUOTE]
Pimpings been around since the dawn of time.. nothing is ever going to stop prostitution.
We already lost.
When the opponent is human lust and human greed....society loses.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]We already lost.
When the opponent is human lust and human greed....society loses.[/QUOTE]
I have hope. I think in general people truly want to do good. Crushing the bad seeds (like this pimp) will eventually make serious ground and the world will rise up. Look no further than disaster like 9/11. Watch people helping strangers with blood, sweat and tears and no self interest in mind. That should give you hope that we ARE indeed capable of great things. The key is getting people to do it collectively for long periods of time.
[QUOTE=tpols]Pimpings been around since the dawn of time.. nothing is ever going to stop prostitution.[/QUOTE]
It's not going to be completely eradicated. Just like the RICO act and American law enforcement didn't completely get rid of the mob or gangs. They just severely crippled it to where organized crime has never and will probably never recover here in America.
Prostitution is going to continue but maybe pimps can be eliminated and it can lessen big time in degree or numbers.
Problem is...you dont get to decide what other people think is good.
Even cops barely care about prostitution. Its not even illegal in much of the world. Im reasonably sure weed is more commonly illegal than prostitution.
Sex for money will never ever ever go away so long as people like sex and people who can provide it need money.
When society has enough riches so nobody is poor and everyone is roughly equal money wise...maybe then you can start to fight it. But even then the few super rich will buy women who want to be rich.
So long as the concept of money exists there will be pimps because people want sex and women will sell themselves.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Problem is...you dont get to decide what other people think is good.
Even cops barely care about prostitution. Its not even illegal in much of the world. Im reasonably sure weed is more commonly illegal than prostitution.
Sex for money will never ever ever go away so long as people like sex and people who can provide it need money.
When society has enough riches so nobody is poor and everyone is roughly equal money wise...maybe then you can start to fight it. But even then the few super rich will buy women who want to be rich.
So long as the concept of money exists there will be pimps because people want sex and women will sell themselves.[/QUOTE]
Then go for what women's rights groups are going for. Legalized prostitution with no pimps :hammerhead: . I'm not saying I expect prostitution will or can go away. I'm saying at least remove the pimps which takes out the abuse aspect, most of the drugs AND most importantly forced prostitution. If women want to volunteer that's their choice.
Remember I wasn't really bitching about prostitution for the most part... but mostly pimps.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]It's not going to be completely eradicated. Just like the RICO act and American law enforcement didn't completely get rid of the mob or gangs. They just severely crippled it to where organized crime has never and will probably never recover here in America.
Prostitution is going to continue but maybe pimps can be eliminated and it can lessen big time in degree or numbers.[/QUOTE]
Unless pimping started to interfere with the government's business on a large scale, it wont ever be eradicated.. or even targeted. Mobs were gaining power over politics.. so politics shut them down. Drug kingpins were making too much money which hugely cuts down government revenues/taxes.. so they were shut down. Pimping is a low scale, region by region, small business operation that will never reach the money levels or power levels that the mobs and druglords reached.. so it will never be worried about like them.
And there's no prostitution w/o pimps.. who deals with the guys who try to rip the women off or take advantage of them?
There are still pimps where its legal.
Women are still forced into it where its legal.
And women who let men control them are universal especially weak willed ones who feel they need to be taken care of. Men have been beating girlfriends since the dawn of time.
You dont think a pimp could employ and beat his girls were it legal for them to sell themselves?
Situations like in Nevada would pop up nationwide and a new breed of pimp would emerge serving the same basic purpose and taking in all kinds of girls who want fast money.
Ad where there are people with money buying women there will be parties and drug use. With that comes drug addiction. What is the owner of a legal brothel with a gang of drug using hookers working for him?
And if its legal they will be easier to replace. I wouldnt be shocked if it made the violent pimps even more violent. Can go on craigslist and replace a ho in 5 minutes anyway.
The world doesnt care enough to fight this.
[QUOTE=tpols]Unless pimping started to interfere with the government's business on a large scale, it wont ever be eradicated.. or even targeted. Mobs were gaining power over politics.. so politics shut them down. Drug kingpins were making too much money which hugely cuts down government revenues/taxes.. so they were shut down. Pimping is a low scale, region by region, small business operation that will never reach the money levels or power levels that the mobs and druglords reached.. so it will never be worried about like them.
And there's no prostitution w/o pimps.. who deals with the guys who try to rip the women off or take advantage of them?[/QUOTE]
I agree there are drawbacks to no pimps and also agree that government is unlikely to ever intervene because pimping/prostitution isn't affecting their money. Which is pretty ****ed up in itself. Basically the government doesn't care that much unless it's affecting them. This is one of the reasons why I got out of pursuing law enforcement. The whole protect and serve moto is complete bullshit. Law enforcement was created to enforce laws that benefit the government, not to help the people.
Let's hope eventually pimps impede on what the government wants... so that they will be targeted.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]
Maybe I'm being too heavy handed in my opinions or having too much of a Utopian viewpoint of life... but I think in order to make a difference we first have to have an often times overly optimistic attitude and believe.[/QUOTE]
So it's your overt optimism shining through in your desire to kill everyone who might have committed a crime?
[QUOTE=SCY]So it's your overt optimism shining through in your desire to kill everyone who might have committed a crime?[/QUOTE]
No it's my optimism telling me that removing these bad people will automatically make the world a better place. BTW don't twist my words.... I never mentioned killing criminals in general. As another poster said... rapists and pimps are pretty much the low of low scum of the earth.
[QUOTE]Let's hope eventually pimps impede on what the government wants... so that they will be targeted.[/QUOTE]
The government is old rich white men with old wives.
They are the ones buying the hookers/pimps who know how to keep quiet.
You know how much damage a DC escort service takedown could probably do if you get all the local hookers on the record?
Old rich men do not want to get on the bad side of pimps and whores.