#16 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh really? Let's check the standings.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh! It looks like Wade got his team to a 5th seed with [I][B]TRASH[/B][/I] teammates. LOL. Now that shows the impact of an all-time great first option. Kobe did the same thing with his shittty Laker teams.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOmp3HpAGgM"]You used the same argument to prop up Wade as I used to defend KG[/URL]. Honestly, without a solid teammate (Shaq or Bron), Wade does not have a playoff record all that impressive. Hell, he missed the playoffs in his prime too, the year before 08. Does that mean he's garbage? No. Oh, and don't give me the injury garbage. He was 10 - 41 in W-L when he played.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Garnett? This guy can't even make the playoffs, let alone advance a round LOL. During his [B]prime[/B]!!!!! LeBrons teams were constantly elite and he never lost in the first round. Fail comparison is fail. Lol @ a top 16 all-time player not making a 16 team playoffs in thier prime. What a joke.[/QUOTE]
He advanced in '04 beyond the first round, and his best teammate was Cassell. He was good, but come on he wasn't elite. His '04 Wolves had a better record than Wade's team did in '09, and Wade had better teammates.

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AlphaWolf is that you?

Karl Malone

The Almighty Dirkrules, the 2nd GOAT PF.

MiamiThrice, if you think Dirk is better than KG I won't argue there. You could make a case for either. But to say Garnett was a terrible first option is just absurd.

[QUOTE=Freedom Kid7][QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh really? Let's check the standings.


[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOmp3HpAGgM"]You used the same argument to prop up Wade as I used to defend KG[/URL]. Honestly, without a solid teammate (Shaq or Bron), Wade does not have a playoff record all that impressive. Hell, he missed the playoffs in his prime too, the year before 08. Does that mean he's garbage? No. Oh, and don't give me the injury garbage. He was 10 - 41 in W-L when he played.


He advanced in '04 beyond the first round, and his best teammate was Cassell. He was good, but come on he wasn't elite. His '04 Wolves had a better record than Wade's team did in '09, and Wade had worse teammates.


AlphaWolf is that you?[/QUOTE]

-Wade made the playoffs in 09 with atrash cast.
-KG missed the playoffs 3 consecutive years in a row. He was healthy every year.

In the NBA more than half the ****ing teams make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means, but for one of the games all-time greatest? In his prime? Making the playoffs should be guaranteed, regardless of teammates. Injuries are the only excuse.

LOL the 08 Heat? Yeah bro Wade missing half the year with a dislocated shoulder and playing the other half with the same injury. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. It just showed how awful the Heat were without relying on Wade playing at an optimal level. They had the worst record in the league, but were back in the playoffs the very next year even with a bust draft pick(Beasley)

04 Wolves cast or the 09 Heatcast? Nice comparison. Is this a joke? LMFAO! :roll: :roll:

One cast has Cassell and Sprewell, two all-stars playing at a high level. The other has......Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers? After that comparison it is apparent you do not understand the game or it's history. You are not worthy to be discussing matters with the horsecocks such as myself.

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-Wade made the playoffs in 09 with atrash cast.
-KG missed the playoffs 3 consecutive years in a row. He was healthy every year.

In the NBA more than half the ****ing teams make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means, but for one of the games all-time greatest? In his prime? Making the playoffs should be guaranteed, regardless of teammates. Injuries are the only excuse.

LOL the 08 Heat? Yeah bro Wade missing half the year with a dislocated shoulder and playing the other half with the same injury. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. It just showed how awful the Heat were without relying on Wade playing at an optimal level.

04 Wolves cast or the 09 Heatcast? Nice comparison. Is this a joke? LMFAO! :roll: :roll:

One cast has Cassell and Sprewell, two all-stars playing at a high level. The other has......Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers? After that comparison it is apparent you do not understand the game or it's history. You are not worthy to be discussing matters with the horsecocks such as myself.

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Just viewed Freedom Kids profile and it says he is 17 years old born in 1995. No wonder this idiot thought the 04 Wolves were a worse cast than the 09 Heat. He didn't even have pubes at the time. No way anyone watching basketball at the time would say such shit.

Karl Malone, David Robinson and Charles Barkley were all better than Lebrick James and should be rank higher than him.. Its fckng joke that Lebrick was at 11.. :facepalm

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[QUOTE=KOBE143]Karl Malone, David Robinson and Charles Barkley were all better than Lebrick James and should be rank higher than him.. Its fckng joke that Lebrick was at 11.. :facepalm

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I agree that LeBron's too high, I thought you said you were 14 though bro?

I guess you watched them play on YouTube (I watched a bunch of older series too, only started watching in 92)

[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]Robinson has 2 rings, not 1.

Also, again, All Star MVP and Player of the Month really doesn't need to be included here, as we've debated already in the past. I'd also take out PER rating.

The numbers and other achievements speak for themselves.[/QUOTE]

Yea sorry, a typo.

Once again, i merely added as much as possible there is about NBA awards and stats, feel free to use and not use anything accordingly.

Kg would be at a glance the 6th player on this list to miss the playoffs in his prime. And he missed it winning 44 games the first time. The 3 seed that same year in the east won 45.

Like 4 people in this top 10 led worse teams than hes missed the playoffs with. Quite likely that given the same situation many times the same record results many times. Guys in discussion for this spot made the playoffs with 30 wins. Hell Elgin Baylor made it going 25-50. Oscar Robertson was sub.500 like 5 times in his prime. Jordan led a sub.500 team when he was probably as good as all but 4-5 people had ever been.

Shitty enough situation you wont win. Stay in that situation multiple years...you wont win for multiple years. Kareem didnt. Jordan didnt. Oscar didnt. Wilt didnt when he briefly had a garbage roster.

Make the playoffs or not....plenty of players led teams roughly on the level of KGs bad minnesota teams. Some of them already on this list. There are guys on this list who made the playoffs with 36 win teams. And 30. And 34. Pretty soon we will be able to say two of these guys combined to win 36 games one season in their primes.

But people only find it worth bringing up when its Kevin Garnett riding with Trenton Hassell and Troy Hudson.......

MiamiThrice, if you truly think the failure of the Twolves falls solely on KG and not the front office of the Timberwolves, then you are more blind and horrid of a poster than previously thought.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Kg would be at a glance the 6th player on this list to miss the playoffs in his prime. And he missed it winning 44 games the first time. The 3 seed that same year in the east won 45.

Like 4 people in this top 10 led worse teams than hes missed the playoffs with. Quite likely that given the same situation many times the same record results many times. Guys in discussion for this spot made the playoffs with 30 wins. Hell Elgin Baylor made it going 25-50. Oscar Robertson was sub.500 like 5 times in his prime. Jordan led a sub.500 team when he was probably as good as all but 4-5 people had ever been.

Shitty enough situation you wont win. Stay in that situation multiple years...you wont win for multiple years. Kareem didnt. Jordan didnt. Oscar didnt. Wilt didnt when he briefly had a garbage roster.

Make the playoffs or not....plenty of players led teams roughly on the level of KGs bad minnesota teams. Some of them already on this list. There are guys on this list who made the playoffs with 36 win teams. And 30. And 34. Pretty soon we will be able to say two of these guys combined to win 36 games one season in their primes.

But people only find it worth bringing up when its Kevin Garnett riding with Trenton Hassell and Troy Hudson.......[/QUOTE]

Not one player of the 15 listed so far were more synonymous with Irrelevancy than KG was in his prime with Minnesota. And I'm thinking it will be a while before we see a guy that has on this list.

Wilt,Oscar,Jordan. You can bring these guys up all you want. I'm not a big Oscar guy, but admittedly thats because I don't know much about him. What it comes down to is results and none of these guys ever had their teams as irrelevant for as long a time as KG did in Minnesota. They may have had a down year whether it to be injuries or what not, but in KGs case when it's over a decades worth of disappointment and failure? You have to eventually stop finding excuses and realize that guy just can't carry a team the way the greats of the greats can.

Elgin Baylor

David Robinson

:facepalm at KG getting the nod over him just because he won DPOY..

Some facts about the admiral

had a 71 point game (last game of the season, got him the scoring title)
1 of only two players in NBA history to have officially recorded a [B]quadruple-double[/B]
2 time NBA champion
part of the original dream team