5-Year Old Tragically Kills Baby Sister with Rifle 'Made for Youths'

[QUOTE=millwad]No, you're stupid because you don't have any arguments, your comeback to my long post about gun crimes in the US vs the UK was something like "you're fat".. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.

[QUOTE=bmulls]Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.[/QUOTE]

There are 100+ factors to weigh in

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How come that countries(not cities) with laws that make it tougher for the average Joe to acquire guns of any kind have lower deathrates by firearms?

How come that the criminals, another favourite argument of the pro gun people, aren't armed like an private army in those countires either? How come criminals don't kill random people on the streets in those countries? How come there are nearly no school shootings in those countries? How come gang crimes in the urban areas of those countries mostly consist of drug dealing and related crimes, still with nearly no homicides?

Do you think in other countries people are genetically allergic to guns? Even the mobsters in europe don't kill as much. Most of the time the kill you financially and socially instead of a plain gunshooting.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]The deaths would be the same with or without the law, making the law a waste of legislation and only harming people who actually obey the law and wouldn't shoot someone in the first place.[/QUOTE]

That's nonsense.

Do you actually believe that all the killings are a result from actions by criminals? In 2007 there was 613 fatal firearm accidents and obviously not all the shooting is a result from criminals doing bad activities.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]We should take away the freedom to live then. This will solve the entire problem entirely! *liberal logic*[/QUOTE]

You dropped the quote that safety is acquired by the prize of freedom.
The gunhuggers argue that guns are bought for safety reasons.

I didn't say I want to take lives. I said the gun use takes them. I'm not the one buying guns. So why should I promote taking "the freedom of live then"?

[QUOTE=boozehound]he was a student at Texas A&M which has the highest % of rednecks at a uni in the world. Trust me on this one[/QUOTE]

Hey, dude.

Don't remember if it was you but some poster on ISH said the same thing when I asked some questions about A&M before I left and it was really true.

I had so much fun, I met wonderful people and I enjoyed my time there very much but you're so right. And what's bothering is to know that the rednecks there are actually the educated ones, I really don't want to meet the uneducated and ignorant ones..

I was with a couple of exchange students in Houston to watch the Rockets play on a friday if I recall correctly, after the game we went to a bar and a group of people started arguing over something and one yelled something about putting a bullet hole in someone and yeah, empty threats are common all over the world and nothing happened. I've heard people in Sweden say that they're gonna kill each other plenty of times as well but considering how easy it's to get a gun in Houston and in Texas it makes it all much more disturbing to think that an unstable person who's trigger happy can end someone's life over the most stupid of arguments.

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000][quote]As long as a terrorist is a citizen of the United States he is guaranteed the rights afforded to him by the constitution.[/quote][/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]And like the rest of us...his rights bend to fit public safety. Which is why he cant arm himself with any weapon he can and why you wouldnt get awat with saying everything that goes through your head when a beautiful woman walks by you at work.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Rights generally end where people get hurt. Sometimes its not even physical injury.[/COLOR][/LEFT]


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000][quote]The Westboro Baptist Church has the right to whatever opinions they like, no matter how batshit crazy they are.[/quote][/COLOR][/LEFT]


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Opinions...yes. [/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]One is yelling that your daughter was killed by god over gays getting married...I suspect your opinion evolves when your wife starts crying.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Rights dont make you correct. And not all of them should be protected. There really is right and wrong to consider here.[/COLOR][/LEFT]
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[quote]I respect these rights because, like our founding fathers, I don't trust mob rule.[/quote]
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[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Lets not go into the founding fathers. Most americans couldnt tell you the first thing about John Adams but they will pull that phrase out of their ass to no end.[/COLOR]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]So many guys talking about slave owning champions of freedom without even knowing how divided they were on issues all of them seem to be remembered to support.[/COLOR][/LEFT]


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000][quote]Also, thanks for confirming what everybody already thinks, that liberals base their opinions on emotion rather than logic and facts[/quote][/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Everybody? Meaning the half the country the decides its opinions on all matters because of the letter next to the name of who they vote for...as opposed to the other half doing the same?[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Its not looking like you are the majority. Most social issues will go the way of "liberals" given time. You must see that....[/COLOR][/LEFT]


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Gay marriage, gun control...whatever. Its mostly old white guys keeping the fight alive. It cant go on forever.[/COLOR][/LEFT]
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90% of the country can only be defeated by the senate for so long.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=bmulls]As long as a terrorist is a citizen of the United States he is guaranteed the rights afforded to him by the constitution. The Westboro Baptist Church has the right to whatever opinions they like, no matter how batshit crazy they are.

I respect these rights because, like our founding fathers, I don't trust mob rule.

Also, thanks for confirming what everybody already thinks, that liberals base their opinions on emotion rather than logic and facts.[/QUOTE]

Basically you're saying as long as it's legislated law you obey?

The whole "infringing on my rights" argument is out of place as it pertains to this story...

the goddamnn country wont fall apart if we make it illegal to arm 5 yr olds.. We regulate objects that are much less dangerous than guns already...

I don't think a kid should be allowed to handle a gun until he is capable of fully understanding the concept of death. I'm not sure at what age a child is typically capable of processing life and death choices, but my guess would be around the age of 12. It should probably be subjective, like the laws regarding kids being tried as adults for murder/rape/etc.

made for youths gun? Da fuq? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=bmulls]Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.[/QUOTE]

You have a trouble reading, that's the problem here.

I've had this discussion with you before and demographics, population size, total crime rate, violent crime rate, poverty rate and other factors are obvious factors.

You're using everything as excuses, there are few countries that can be compared with the US when it comes to population size, demographis and such while still being a democratic and rich country.

It's impossible to make you understand deeper reasons when you can't even comprehend something as easy as the gun crime comparion between the US and the UK, you replied with a "you're fat"-comment.

You're not educated, you don't have any clear arguments, you have a clear agenda and I find your entry to this discussion to be bothering. You came up with excuses and insults towards me instead of actually discussing the subject and condemning it.

When I again tried to make you understand you replied with yet another bogus "you're fat" comment. You're an obvious redneck trashy person.

[B]There's absolutely nothing that proves that guns make civilians more safe, all you are spamming about is your rights and how the law works. This is an extreme comparison but also a relevant one. In Saudi Arabia the law says that women can't vote and men have the right to marry 9 year old girls.

Just because there's a "right" and that you're referring to the actual law doesn't make it a valid thing in society and it doesn't justify it, in this case carrying a gun.[/B]

[QUOTE=millwad]
You're using everything as excuses, there are few countries that can be compared with the US when it comes to population size, demographis and such while still being a democratic and rich country.

It's impossible to make you understand deeper reasons when you can't even comprehend something as easy as the gun crime comparion between the US and the UK, you replied with a "you're fat"-comment.
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The european union is basically comparable, atleast the Schengenzone.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]The european union is basically comparable, atleast the Schengenzone.[/QUOTE]

Some what, yes, but he's going to spam about too many factors and say that it's not a valid comparison because he will never accept what kind of stupidity guns are to start with.

Parents fault, not the guns or the kids.