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I'm going to honest, I know the finger-roll is not a very fundamentally sound shot, and probably not the most efficient way to go about scoring in the post, especially when you're as strong as Wilt (and it looks brutal when it misses). He was right about one thing though, it's definitely aesthetically pleasing when pulled off correctly. So is the fadeaway.
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54-year old highlights. Time to get on with your life.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]That's the '67 game where Wilt had two inflamed knees and bad shinsplints in both legs - could barely lift his legs to walk up a flight of stairs coming into that game. Fatal9 either did not know about that, or chose to ignore it and make the video anyways. That video does not even reflect Wilt's usual abilities, because he was basically immobile from the knees down that game.[/QUOTE]
I'll say he ignored that, but even if he hadn't, he probably wouldn't have mentioned it. His criticism on 1970 Wilt is evidence for this.
[QUOTE=Psileas]I'll say he ignored that, but even if he hadn't, he probably wouldn't have mentioned it. His criticism on 1970 Wilt is evidence for this.[/QUOTE]
I believe he ripped Chamberlain for being a "stats-padding" "loser" in his 62-63 season...and then in other topics, praised Kareem for his play in his 75-76 season.
Of course...no context.
In Wilt's "stats-padding" 62-63 season, he played 47.6 mpg, on a 31-49 team that lost 35 games by singles digits, and was only involved in eight games decided by 20+ points (and they went 4-4 in them)...and had a scoring differential of -2.1...with as bad a roster as any player has ever been saddled with. And all Wilt did that year was lead the league in FIFTEEN categories (and had TRB%, Off-Rebs, Def-Rebs, Blocked shots, et, al been kept, he would have surely led in most of those), including WIN-SHARES (20.9 on a team that won 31 games), and PER of 31.8 (which is the all-time record.)
But, how about Kareem in 75-76? In 71-72, he played 44.2 mpg, and scored 34.8 ppg on a .574 FG%..for team that went 63-19, and had a +11.1 ppg differential. Then, in 75-76, and playing for a poor roster, that actually needed him to score... 41.2 mpg, 27.7 ppg, and on a .529 FG%...for a team that went 40-42.
Here again...the WILT DOUBLE STANDARD.
BTW, and as you know, Chamberlain LED the league in scoring, rebounding, FG%, and overall, 13 categories in his 65-66 season...and did so for a team that had the best record in the league. He would tell you it was his teammates that carried him that season.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]That's the '67 game where Wilt had two inflamed knees and bad shinsplints in both legs - could barely lift his legs to walk up a flight of stairs coming into that game. Fatal9 either did not know about that, or chose to ignore it and make the video anyways. That video does not even reflect Wilt's usual abilities, because he was basically immobile from the knees down that game.[/QUOTE]
And of course, it was those post moves and that shot selection, which allowed Wilt to lead the league in scoring seven seasons, and in FG% nine seasons.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]That's the '67 game where Wilt had two inflamed knees and bad shinsplints in both legs - could barely lift his legs to walk up a flight of stairs coming into that game. Fatal9 either did not know about that, or chose to ignore it and make the video anyways. That video does not even reflect Wilt's usual abilities, because he was basically immobile from the knees down that game.[/QUOTE]
Could you show me where you read that?
[QUOTE=jongib369]Could you show me where you read that?[/QUOTE]
The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)
[I]"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston [B](IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken)[/B], he was still walking stiff-legged."
"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game" [/I]
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)
[I]"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston [B](IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken)[/B], he was still walking stiff-legged."
"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game" [/I][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info, I'll put it in the comment section of the video but I doubt it'll be there long
Anything about the second game shown in the video? 1:14 might be the slowest I've seen him ever release the fade away.
[QUOTE=mehyaM24]they were 100% on the money. like somebody said, you could create a kwame brown highlight mix making him look like an allstar. what a joke.
the bottom line is Wilt was a playoff choker who "dominated" the league in its infancy.[/QUOTE]
Sure, you can, but then we know what sort of numbers Wilt up. Would you make the same criticism of a Jordan highlight video? No, everyone already knows that Jordan was great. What this video does is give you a sense for how Wilt scored. Some in the past have claimed that Wilt was a stiff who scored by virture of his height on 6'6" white guys by just standing near the basket and dunking it. The videos Cavs has put out completely dispel that myth.
To fpliii, Marchesk, Lazeruss, Psileas, CavsFTW, Frescobaldi, and anyone I missed - you guys really add a lot to this board. Even if a lot of people post troll/bogus responses (I am occasionally guilty), just know that your guys' contributions and knowledge are not going unappreciated :cheers:
[QUOTE=JBrizzy]54-year old highlights. Time to get on with your life.[/QUOTE]
Some people like history. It's a nice break from the constant Lebron/Kobe (and now Durant) troll threads.
Shaq would dominate Wilt on one very simple premise:
Shaq is used to dominating similarly imposing players and he has the mental advantage. I'm not sure Willt ever hand the kind of matchups Shaq had and this ain't a "Wilt played against weak white bois" kind of argument...
But young Shaq came into the league and started shoving it in the face of centers that are already comparable to Wilt and had years in the NBA... That's what he has done all his life and what he's best at. We have no evidence that Wilt would have an answer for this.
No contest.
[QUOTE=SpanishACB]Shaq would dominate Wilt on one very simple premise:
[B]Shaq is used to dominating similarly imposing players[/B] and he has the mental advantage. I'm not sure Willt ever hand the kind of matchups Shaq had and this ain't a "Wilt played against weak white bois" kind of argument...
But young Shaq came into the league and started shoving it in the face of centers that are already comparable to Wilt and had years in the NBA... That's what he has done all his life and what he's best at. We have no evidence that Wilt would have an answer for this.
No contest.[/QUOTE]
This is pretty easy to debunk at this point. We know Wilt's measurements beyond just his height and weight and we also have video footage of Shaq standing next to Wilt. Wilt made Shaq look like an average joe and nobody Shaq ever faced made Shaq look like that save for Yao. But unlike Yao, Wilt was not just taller but his upper body looked significantly bigger than Shaq and I'm not just talking muscle I'm just talking just the bone structure and width of his shoulders and the height of his shoulders - he just was naturally built bigger in the upper body. Shaq [I]never[/I] faced anyone that imposing.
Watch Yao and Shaq's first matchup. Shaq was visibly stunned playing Yao, Shaq even commented that Yao's length bothered him. Yao was no where near as athletic as Wilt either. Wilt was just as large in stature as Yao, but had even more reach and a LOT more athleticism, his body was sculpted like a municipal statue in comparison to Yao. Wilt is perhaps the strongest player of all time in his upper body. There have never been other people comparable to him, the closest athlete there ever was to Wilt was Shaq. Thinking that Shaq would just handle Wilt is ridiculous, Wilt probably stunned every player he ever played against the first time they saw him, there's no shortage of Wilt stories about the first time his opponents saw him. Most just couldn't believe how big and athletic he was. It would be no different for Shaq, he'd be just as awestruck. That's not to say Wilt wouldn't be impressed by Shaq either. Not many athletes Wilt faced were close to Shaq's size. The biggest athletes Wilt faced were about 290lbs... which is actually about the biggest athletes Shaq faced too, outside of Yao.
[url]http://youtu.be/FJYRtWCutRA[/url]
Example of how I can present a Wilt offense scouting video. Passing, post moves, offensive rebounding, playmaking everything. From every part of his career so there are as few holes in the coverage/presentation of his offensive abilities as possible. My initial estimate is about a 30 minute video if I DON'T use high school and NCAA footage. Will extend any 'clip' (sequences not from the few broadcasts that exist) to as far in front of the play developing as possible, ideally before Wilt sets up and demands the entry pass (though not all clips will show the entire play, some simply begin after the ball is in his hands) That is what you are looking for no? I can try and loosely organize or cluster the clips too to group similar plays.
Will take a while but if you think it's necessary I'll put it on my to do list.