real footage of ISIS or ISIL (warning extremely graphic)

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Make an actual argument

[QUOTE=pastis][B][B][B]americans truly believe that their foreign policy is appreciated in the world.[/B][/B][/B] thats so funny, its like the 30s and 40s in germany, most germans thought that occuppying countrys is their right.
americans are one of the most hated poeple out there. where did they do anything good in the world? rebuilding germany wasnt due for charity`s sake. they were afraid of soviet union and needed a strong partner at the fronline.
if i imagine what they did in panama etc etc etc:facepalm[/QUOTE]

I have never said that. Lots of kids are ungrateful to their parents.
List the negatives of american foreign policy, I assure you the positives out weigh it.

[QUOTE]where did they do anything good in the world? [/QUOTE]
Tell me what was wrong about stopping Milosevic for committing ethnic cleansing/genocide

[QUOTE=BlazerRed]We need to just nuke the Middle East and Africa and rid the world of these people.[/QUOTE]

Get it done Obama :cheers:

[QUOTE=Dresta]C'mon man, the pressure cooker would have cracked regardless of what we did eventually. The problems in the Islamic world are internal, not caused by American foreign policy, perhaps triggered, but certainly not caused.

I personally thought this was a good and insightful essay (even if it is a bit pious):

[url]http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/iraq-syria-and-the-middle-east-an-essay-by-tony-blair/[/url]

The problem is far more complex than the 'America iz bad' idealists really want to acknowledge.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but we definitely triggered it was my point.
I definitely think Bush insisting on democratic elections and the failure of the US to crush insurgents was a major reason for the civil war.
[QUOTE]C'mon man, the pressure cooker would have cracked regardless of what we did eventually. The problems in the Islamic world are internal, not caused by American foreign policy, perhaps triggered, but certainly not caused[/QUOTE]

Maybe, maybe not. Saddam had a pretty tight handle on things before we sent him running.

His military was also good at preventing the kurds and shia from raising up.

[QUOTE=Fork]Get it done Obama :cheers:[/QUOTE]

:biggums: :facepalm

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]The link is still up[/QUOTE]
It was removed when I clicked on it before. Now it's back.

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]hell they killed Che Guevara and didnt even try to hide it:roll: :roll:
but he bad bad an evil communist tho.
Panama,Niaragua,Vietnam,Iraq,Libya and that are just a few examples:facepalm :facepalm[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Panama,Niaragua,[/QUOTE]

South America is somewhat of a black eye on US foreign policy. We have made it up to these countries via economic aid.

Also we gave the panama canal back to panama.

[QUOTE]Vietnam[/QUOTE]
Arguably Vietnamese people would have been better off had Saigon triumphed over hanoi
Overall I agree though this is a major black mark on US foreign policy

Interesting to note the communist vietnamese have gotten over the vietnam war and are looking to the US to help them in their territorial dispute with china.
[url]http://www.voanews.com/content/vietnam-wants-larger-us-role-in-dispute-with-china/1932793.html[/url]
[QUOTE]STATE DEPARTMENT — Vietnam wants the United States to play a bigger role in settling territorial disputes with China. Washington is refusing, though, to take a stand on the location of a Chinese oil rig that Vietnam says is in its territorial waters.

Vietnam says this video shows China's coast guard ramming a Vietnamese fishing vessel last month near a Chinese oil rig in disputed South China Sea waters.

Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hong Lei said that is not what happened. "In the relevant seas, China's ships were on the defensive and Vietnam's ships were on the offensive.[/QUOTE]

Vietnam turning to america to help defend its sovereignty against a hegemonistic power like many other nations.:applause: :applause:

[QUOTE]Iraq[/QUOTE]
Already said this was a black mark on US foreign policy. We triggered the civil war. We should have either left saddam in charge and never invaded or selected a dictator from within his military. Disbanding the baath party and saddam's military was a mistake

[QUOTE]Libya[/QUOTE]
Gaddafi promised to massacre the innocent ppl of benghazi

US foreign Policy has accomplished tons more good than this.
for starters compare the difference in quality of life between a north korean and a south korean.
Compare the political freedoms in taiwan to mainland china.

US foreign policy deserves a huge amount of credit in improving the lives of millions.

[QUOTE= BlazerRed]We need to just nuke the Middle East and Africa and rid the world of these people.[/QUOTE]
A piece of shit in the NBA forum and in general. We need to castrate people like you.

You know that the US is overall viewed positively by countries (other than in south america and the middle east) that havent been spoiled by the economic benefits and military protection given to them (IE. ingrates know as Western Europeans) by these 2 facts:

In asia countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with China.

In Eastern Europe countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with Russia.

Didnt watch but why no comments? disabled?

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]You know that the US is overall viewed positively by countries (other than in south america and the middle east) that havent been spoiled by the economic benefits and military protection given to them (IE. ingrates know as Western Europeans) by these 2 facts:

In asia countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with [B]China.[/B]

In Eastern Europe countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with [B]Russia[/B].[/QUOTE]

That's almost half the world population:biggums:

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Didnt watch but why no comments? disabled?[/QUOTE]
I think ISIL controls the youtube channel, they are deleting comments

[QUOTE=Rodmantheman]That's almost half the world population:biggums:[/QUOTE]
World population 7.17 billion +

China: 1.36 billion
Russia 146 million

about 1/5th of the world population, who in china live under a dictatorial government
and in russia, lived under a flawed democracy, with many irregularities during elections and suppression of opposition candidates

Both are historically and currently hegemonic powers threatening their weaker neighbors. Both countries spend massive amounts on their militaries and seek to intimidate weaker nations into compliances

[QUOTE=fiddy]What are they missing? Justin Bieber? Miley Cyrus? Gay Marriages? Feminism? Western society has been going downhill as well for some time.[/QUOTE]

You just made that comparison?


Spoiled little rat.


"Ohhh nooo Justin Bieber is on the radio!!! God I can't stand this world.... Why, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?!?!??! GOD WHYYY! I dont deserve this!"

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]You know that the US is overall viewed positively by countries (other than in south america and the middle east) that havent been spoiled by the economic benefits and military protection given to them (IE. ingrates know as Western Europeans) by these 2 facts:

In asia countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with China.

In Eastern Europe countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with Russia.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

Of course they do that, the US is half a world away while Russia and China are knocking in their front door. They would do the same if the positions were reversed, its a way for the smaller countries to maintain their independence, pitting the big guys against one another.

And **** you with your "America has made it good with South America through aid". They have ****ed up almost all Central American countries for hundreds of years and you think some millions of dollars in aid will change anything, when the underlying factors for the impoverishment of the area will continue to exist.

I like the U.S and agree with the liberal principles they defend but U.S citizens in general love to talk about stuff they have no idea about. Their invasion of Iraq was complete bullshit, no other country other than the U.S, Britain, Australia (only 2k soldiers) and Poland (194 soldiers :oldlol: ) supported it. Saddam was massacring the Iraqis for the last 20 years, i don't remember the US hurrying to free them. WMDs were a bullshit excuse, in Britain they forged reports to make it seem more likely that they existed which was discovered by the parliament (research September Dossier).

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]hell they killed Che Guevara and didnt even try to hide it:roll: :roll:
but he bad bad an evil communist tho.
Panama,Niaragua,Vietnam,Iraq,Libya and that are just a few examples:facepalm :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Killing Che Guevara was really one of the only good things the U.S did in South/Central America.

He was a ****ing psycho, a real sociopath. Read up on his actions during and after the revolt in Cuba. Also he was all talk and no action, after Cuba did the revolution he became the minister of industry/president of their FED and finished ****ing up their economy.

Cuba possibly only became communist because of Bay of Pigs disaster though, forcing Fidel to make Cuba a Marxist state and get the support of the Soviet Union.