All Jordan FG's With Kobe Defending

[QUOTE=Showtime80']Great point 3Ball!

Not to mention Michael was facing guys like Dumars and Moncrief 12 times in the regular season plus the playoffs and they were part of the powerhouse Pistons and Bucks of the 80's early 90's!

Where did Kobe's main competition at SG play? That's right the most horrible conference of all time, the 2000's East! Vince Carter, Iverson, McGrady, and Lebron, all part of teams that were NOWHERE near the quality of the Pistons and Bucks.

Remember people, basketball is a TEAM game!!! You honestly think Michael and the 90's Bulls would've struggled against the 2000's Raptors, Magic, Sixers and Cavs?!? 75 wins would not be out of realm of that Bulls team in the 2000's[/QUOTE]

All I have to say to you is JUN 2008 and 8 post.

Get out of here.

*You will be ignored*

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[B][U][SIZE="3"]Best SG's 1984-1998:[/SIZE][/U]
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Michael Jordan
Clyde Drexler
Anfernee Hardaway
Joe Dumars
Sidney Moncrief
Alvin Robertson
Reggie Miller
Dennis Johnson
Ronaldo Blackman
Mitch Richmond

[I]Honorable Mention[/I]: Reggie Lewis, Latrell Sprewell, Fat Lever, Jeff Hornacek, Byron Scott, Dale Ellis, Derrick McKey, Allan Houston, Eddie Jones, Jeff Malone, Ricky Pierce, Michael Finley, Steve Smith, Jerry Stackhouse, Ron Harper, Reggie Theus.


[B][U][SIZE="3"]Best SF's 1984-1998[/SIZE][/U]
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Larry Bird
Dr. J
Scottie Pippen
Dominique Wilkins
Bernard King
Adrian Dantley
Alex English
James Worthy
Chris Mullin
Grant Hill

[i]Honorable Mention:[/i] Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Glen Rice, [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360034][u]Kiki Vandeweghe[/u][/url], Mark Aguirre, Glenn Robinson, Jamaal Mashburn, Detlef Schrempf, Tom Gugliotta, Sean Elliot, Richard Dumas


[B]Defensive Specialists (partial list):[/B] Michael Cooper, Dennis Rodman, George Lynch, Gerald Wilkins, Stacey Augmon, Clifford Robinson, Doug Christie, Nate McMillan, Bobby Phills, Anthony Mason
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[QUOTE=9erempiree]:lol

You're joking right and somehow I missed it. Moncrief is not better than the modern defenders of today. Heck, Tayshaun and specialists such as Bowen are much better.

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Just because Tayshaun held Kobe to 22.6 ppg, 2.8 rebs, and 4.4 assists on 37% shooting in the 2004 Finals, doesn't make him better than one of the best defenders ever and former [I]two-time[/I] DPOY [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ADAo3W4Hos][u]Sidney Moncrief[/u][/url].

Jordan always averaged 30 ppg or more against [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url] or [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjpv-XrKpYM][u]Michael Cooper[/u][/url], and they are much better defenders than Tayshaun or Bowen..

also, Jordan played FAR better against top 5 defenses in the playoffs, as discussed in these threads:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255273[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362242[/url]
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Why are you posting the same post over and over? I said condense the list into 10 players, not 10 of each

[QUOTE=tpols]Mitch Richmond is like the Joe Johnson of the 90s. With better longevity.. But same caliber player. Just a run of the mill all star. It's an insult to compare him to all time elite talents like Wade, Durant, or Iverson.. Was mitch Richmond. This is a guy whose never even placed top 10 mvp.. Compared to mvp candidates and winners.[/QUOTE]


Mitch had a better all around offensive game than iverson and wade.. Durant on the other hand has some serious skills :rockon: I am not saying Mitch was or is better than Wade though.. Mitch over Iverson is debatable.. Iverson never guarded anyone.. Mitch could guard

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Why are you posting the same post over and over?

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i posted it again because i had actually left a lot of guys off originally...

also, the list didn't look right without [I]two-time[/I] DPOY [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ADAo3W4Hos][u]Sidney Moncrief[/u][/url] on there, considering Jordan went to war with him in the playoffs, after Moncrief had been 1st Team All-NBA.


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I said condense the list into 10 players, not 10 of each

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10 SG's and 10 SF's with honorable mentions is better than just 10 total... gives a better picture.

btw, the 1984-1998 SG's are better and much deeper than 2000-2014 SG's, but it's actually the small forwards of Jordan's era that have a [I]thorough[/I] advantage on today's small forwards..

i started doing a SF list for 2000-2014, and i just stopped because at the #9 spot, I found myself using Kawhi Leonard - it's just a super-thin, all-time worst crop of SF's (in addition to PF's and Centers too obviously).
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[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]Mitch had a better all around offensive game than iverson and wade.. Durant on the other hand has some serious skills :rockon: I am not saying Mitch was or is better than Wade though.. Mitch over Iverson is debatable.. Iverson never guarded anyone.. Mitch could guard[/QUOTE]

It's called deception. Mitch was bigger in stature than Iverson so don't let that fool you. He was a good defensive player but not "worldly" like someone try to present it as.

Jesus Christ! I forgot about Dennis Rodman, DPOY in 1990. So not only did Michael have to worry about Joe Dumars in his prime, he also had the worn on his a** WITH hand checking legal and if he got by that he had a clogged up middle with Bill Laimbeer, James Edwards, John Salley and Rick Mahorn ready to clobber him without any risk of a flagrant foul! Kobe who!

And remember, Michael had to actually worry about Joe Dumars and Sydney Moncrief at the other end taking over games offensively unlike Prince or Bowen are nowhere near the offensive players those two guys were.

And before you throw out the all mighty zone argument go watch Michael play at UNC when the ACC was loaded with NBA talent along with the powerhouses from the Big East. Michael dominated in the limited system Dean Smith operated. He would just become a more off the ball player (ala Reggie Miller) instead of dominating the ball so much.

He along with the 90's Bulls would crap on todays "sophisticated" defenses, specially the eastern conference

IMO, the top 10 SGs and SFs from 2000-14 in no order are:

Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Tracy McGrady
Vince Carter
Ray Allen
Allen Iverson
Paul Pierce
Shawn Marion

HM: Carmelo Anthony, Ron Artest, Manu Ginobili, James Harden

Defensive specialists: Tony Allen, Bruce Bowen, Thabo Sefalosha, Aaron McKie, Tayshaun Prince, Trevor Ariza, Shane Battier

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[COLOR="White"]..........[/COLOR][B][SIZE="3"]TOP WINGS
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[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][U]2000-2014[/U][COLOR="White"].............[/COLOR][U]1984-1998[/U]

Kobe Bryant............ Michael Jordan
LeBron James.......... Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade.......... Scottie Pippen
Kevin Durant........... Dr. J
James Harden.......... Clyde Drexler
Tracy McGrady......... Dominique Wilkins
Paul Pierce.............. James Worthy
Carmelo Anthony..... Bernard King/Adrian Dantley
Vince Carter............ Grant Hill
Allen Iverson........... Penny Hardaway

Honorable Mention: Ray Allen-Reggie Miller.... Ron Artest-Alvin Robertson... Manu Ginobili-Chris Mullin/Mitch Richmond... Shawn Marion-Dennis Rodman


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I added the top 10 wings from 1984-1998 alongside yours above... the lists look good.

Even though I saw Iverson in there for 2000-2014, I resisted the urge to include various point guards from the previous era that [I]also[/I] could play multiple positions like Magic Johnson, Gary Payton, or Michael Ray Richardson.

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]Mitch had a better all around offensive game than wade.. [/QUOTE]
Please, and I can't stress this enough, PLEASE stop posting nonsence like this.

Ritchmonds highest PPG season is 25.9 PPG
Wade has had 5 seasons better (30.2 PPG best)

Ritchmonds highest APG season is 5.1 APG
Wade has had 7 seasons better than that (7.5 highest)

Richmonds highest FG was 49.7% and never came close to that again.
Wade has had 4 better seasons than that (53% best)

21/4/4 45% FG career for Richmond
24/6/5 49% for Wade

Richmond was never close to being the offensive player Wade was in his prime. Difference between All-Star and superstar.