Lebron's time of possession in 2015 Finals was 50% higher than RS leader

[QUOTE=fpliii]I don't care about your LeBron debate. You and another poster claimed it is easier to score later in the shot clock. The data confirms that the opposite holds.[/QUOTE]

[B]I never claimed it was easier to score late in the shot clock.. So you just lied by claiming I said that..

Here was my post - after reading it, vacate the thread, since you have nothing pertinent to add:[/B]


[QUOTE=3ball]

[COLOR="Red"]It's easier to score when you have more time to decide what to do and can wait for the right spot.[/COLOR]

In Lebron's case, he had 50% more time of possession than anyone had all year - his 12.0 minutes per game was 50% higher than the regular season league-leader, John Wall's 8.2 minutes..

Such a ridiculous time of possession is ****ing amazing, and it invalidates his stats (the stat-padding clearouts on every possession and 39% shooting also invalidated his stats)..

Keep it real bro - 50% higher time of possession is insane and very likely the record, BY A MILE

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It's like watching an insect on its back. It's over. Yet you keep squirming.

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[QUOTE=Hey Yo]

Yet you can't get past the fact that the 3 other perimeter players shot a combined 50-173. If they shoot better, Cavs win...correct?

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Lebron is the team's best player, so he bears more blame if he shoots poorly than his teammates.

But you want to blame the lesser players instead, and exhonerate the best player???... Even though the best player shot worse than his teammates?

Keep deluding yourself and thinking Lebron's repeated Finals losses have nothing to do with him... Go ahead and exhonerate a guy for shooting 39%.... even though he didn't get double-teamed, used a stat-padding clearout style, and had insanely high time of possession.

[QUOTE=3ball][B]I never claimed it was easier to score late in the shot clock.. So you just lied by claiming I said that..

Here was my post - after reading it, vacate the thread, since you have nothing pertinent to add:[/B][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=warriorfan]Of course it's easier to score earlier in the shotclock [b][i]in transition scenarios[/i][/b]. However If you are not in transition and in the half court offense, [i]the longer you hold onto the ball the better chance you have to get a quality offensive look[/i].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=3ball]Of course and thanks for pointing that out..

I should have told FKari that my post assumes HALF COURT SETS, which are literally 80% of the NBA offense..

The NBA is less than 20% transition/early offense.. This is statistical fact.. So I assumed FKari knew I was talking about half court sets.[/QUOTE]
Nothing else needs to be said.

[QUOTE=fpliii]You co-signed this post

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Nothing else needs to be said.

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[COLOR="Navy"]warriorfan was talking about an INDIVIDUAL player's efficiency, not a team's efficiency: [/COLOR]

[INDENT][I]"the longer [COLOR="Red"][B]you[/B][/COLOR] hold onto the ball the better chance [B][COLOR="Red"]you[/COLOR][/B] have to get a quality offensive look."[/I][/INDENT]


So your data isn't relevant - your data measures a [I][COLOR="indigo"]team's[/COLOR][/I] efficiency late in the shot clock... It doesn't measure a player's [COLOR="indigo"][I]individual[/I][/COLOR] efficiency after holding the ball for varying lengths of time.. Obviously, the two are very different.

This thread is about Lebron's insanely high time of possession, so a player's individual efficiency after holding the ball is the relevant stat, not team efficiency at the end of shot clocks.. Again, take your Lebron fan-dom elsewhere.. We were actually having fruitful discussion before your senseless derail.
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[QUOTE=3ball][B]warriorfan was talking about an INDIVIDUAL player's efficiency, not a team's efficiency: [/B]

[INDENT][I]"the longer [COLOR="Red"][B]you[/B][/COLOR] hold onto the ball the better chance [B][COLOR="Red"]you[/COLOR][/B] have to get a quality offensive look."[/I][/INDENT]


So your data isn't relevant - your data measures a TEAM'S efficiency late in the shot clock... It doesn't measure a player's INDIVIDUAL efficiency after holding the ball for varying lengths of time.. Obviously, the two are very different.

This thread is about Lebron's insanely high time of possession, so a player's individual efficiency after holding the ball is the relevant stat, not team efficiency at the end of shot clocks.. Again, take your Lebron fan-dom elsewhere.. We were actually having fruitful discussion before your senseless derail.[/QUOTE]
Are you for real? Team efficiency is an aggregate of individual player efficiency. Jesus Christ dude.

Funny that you call anybody who disagrees with your points a LeBron fan (and I don't derail discussion, I correct the spread of misinformation). That's my cue to leave. There's no conspiracy, it's not the world against you.

[QUOTE=3ball]Lebron is the team's best player, so he bears more blame if he shoots poorly than his teammates.[/QUOTE]
Except he didn't shoot worse than the other perimeter teammates.

[QUOTE]But you want to blame the lesser players instead, and exhonerate the best player???... Even though the best player shot worse than his teammates?[/QUOTE]
Except he didn't shoot worse than the other perimeter teammates.

[QUOTE][B]Keep deluding yourself and thinking Lebron's repeated Finals losses have nothing to do with him..[/B]. Go ahead and exhonerate a guy for shooting 39%.... even though he didn't get double-teamed, used a stat-padding clearout style, and had insanely high time of possession.[/QUOTE]
He was the best player on those B2B Finals losses. Could have shot better in 2015 but so could have his teammates.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]

Except he didn't shoot worse than the other perimeter teammates.

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Lebron's eFG was 43.2%, while his teammates' was 43.3%... Lebron's teammates shot better than he did in the Finals.. This is a fact.

Again, Lebron's stats are invalidated by his 39% shooting, stat-padding clearout style, and ridiculous time of possession (50% higher than the regular season leader).
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[QUOTE=fpliii]

Are you for rea? Team efficiency is an aggregate of individual player efficiency. Jesus Christ dude.

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So wait - you think a TEAM'S efficiency at the end of a shot clock is indicative of an INDIVIDUAL PLAYER'S efficiency after holding the ball for varying lengths of time?

Seriously, let's just agree to disagree on basketball..

Also, your Lebron fan-dom is creepy, because you try to hide it.. You're disingenuous about the guys you root for.

[QUOTE=3ball]So wait - you think a team's efficiency at the end of a shot clock is indicative of an individual player's efficiency after holding the ball for varying lengths of time?

Seriously, let's just agree to disagree on basketball.. You're such a shallow, basic thinker, it's amazing.[/QUOTE]
How am I a shallow thinker? Dude, we never actually debate our basketball opinions on here. It always comes down to an argument over semantics or straight data. :lol

For real, I just chime in when I see something worth correcting. If you want to have a debate on basketball philosophy, start a thread at some point and I can chime in. I think you're a good dude, but I think you let this agenda stuff get out of hand.

[QUOTE=fpliii]How am I a shallow thinker? Dude, we never actually debate our basketball opinions on here. It always comes down to an argument over semantics or straight data. :lol

For real, I just chime in when I see something worth correcting. If you want to have a debate on basketball philosophy, start a thread at some point and I can chime in. I think you're a good dude, but I think you let this agenda stuff get out of hand.[/QUOTE]
You didn't correct anything - you said team efficiency is indicative of an individual's efficiency, which is ridiculous..

You just derailed the thread with useless information that has no bearing on Lebron's high time of possession.

[QUOTE=3ball] Also, your Lebron fan-dom is creepy, because you try to hide it.. You're disingenuous about the guys you root for.[/QUOTE]
lol I'm disingenuous?

People on Real GM give me shit for having a guy like KG clearly better than LeBron all-time, yet because somebody disagrees with you in any topic, he/she is automatically a LeBron fan.

:kobe:

Makes sense considering the Cavs were missing BOTH Kyrie Irving and K Love. Nothing really shocking here.

[QUOTE=3ball]So wait - you think a TEAM'S efficiency at the end of a shot clock is indicative of an INDIVIDUAL PLAYER'S efficiency after holding the ball for varying lengths of time?

Seriously, let's just agree to disagree on basketball..

Also, your Lebron fan-dom is creepy, because you try to hide it.. You're disingenuous about the guys you root for.[/QUOTE]

What makes you think he's a LeBron fan? lol.

[QUOTE=3ball]You didn't correct anything - you said team efficiency is indicative of an individual's efficiency, which is ridiculous..

You just derailed the thread with useless information that has no bearing on Lebron's high time of possession.[/QUOTE]
I did two things:

1) Correct a belief that it's easier to score later in the shot clock than earlier.

2) State the obvious, that team scoring is an aggregate of individual scoring.

I made no reference to ball dominance, time of possession, LeBron, or anyone.

[QUOTE=catch24]Makes sense considering the Cavs were missing BOTH Kyrie Irving and K Love. Nothing really shocking here.



What makes you think he's a LeBron fan? lol.[/QUOTE]
He thinks I'm a LeBron fan because last year on Real GM before he was banned, and on here, I mentioned that in the 2014 Finals, the Heat lost because of their poor defense, as opposed to offense. That pissed 3ball off for some reason (even though LeBron was a part of the team defense and was responsible for many of the blown rotations that gave up easy threes), and since then the dude has disliked me.