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[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Victory speeches are only deserved in the event of a victory.[/QUOTE]
And for all intents and purposes, Iowa was a victory for Rubio. He got one less delegate than Trump (the supposed front runner) and 2 less than the winner. He separated himself as the best establishment option, which was followed by 22 endorsements and I presume a bunch of donor money.
If it wasn't for him short circuiting on Saturday, he probably would have come in 2nd or possibly 3rd last night, staying the establishment option, which becomes a much bigger deal as more people drop out and the establishment candidates no longer have to split the votes.
Thanks to Saturday though, the vote is going to stay pretty fragmented for a bit more.
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[QUOTE=Dave3]And for all intents and purposes, Iowa was a victory for Rubio. He got one less delegate than Trump (the supposed front runner) and 2 less than the winner. He separated himself as the best establishment option, which was followed by 22 endorsements and I presume a bunch of donor money.
If it wasn't for him short circuiting on Saturday, he probably would have come in 2nd or possibly 3rd last night, staying the establishment option, which becomes a much bigger deal as more people drop out and the establishment candidates no longer have to split the votes.
Thanks to Saturday though, the vote is going to stay pretty fragmented for a bit more.[/QUOTE]
No, he and the RNC wants it to be perceived as a victory, even though a well funded entrenched republican came in 3rd to a bible thumping psycho and a megalomaniac independent.
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[QUOTE=TheMan]So people who make too little income to pay taxes are "winners" now? :oldlol:
You know what,[B] I'd rather lose and pay tens of thousands of dollars in income tax because I'd be squaring away millions being in that Big Loser Club known as the top 1%.[/B]
I'd call it winning by subtraction.
These conservatives, only in their book does a wage earner making 30,000 a year is "winning" :yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
Make that much, and go for it.
Until then, keep bitching about how it isn't fair. I think its very fair, and I am doing just fine. And no, I'm not part of the 1% either.
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[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]what's better, saving 1,000 a year in income taxes or saving 10,000 a year on health insurance costs?
Not realistic either proposal gets through.
Trickle down economics has been unequivocally shown not to work. [B]The idea of voting for a direct benefit for a super small percentage of americans under the hope that they, with zero obligation to do so, use the savings they get to do something that benefits more of the general populace is the biggest farce in all of american society[/B].[/QUOTE]
How many jobs have you created, out of curiosity?
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[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]what's better, saving 1,000 a year in income taxes or saving 10,000 a year on health insurance costs?
Not realistic either proposal gets through.
[b]Trickle down economics has been unequivocally shown not to work. The idea of voting for a direct benefit for a super small percentage of americans under the hope that they, with zero obligation to do so, use the savings they get to do something that benefits more of the general populace is the biggest farce in all of american society.[/b][/QUOTE]
Exactly
We've had trickle down economics for more than 30 years now and the only ones who've benefited are the very rich, they've seen their tax rates get lower and lower while the rest of the populace has to pay a bigger percent of their income in taxes than those who could afford more to do so. These are the people who are CEOs, who own big businesses, multi nationals, Wall Street etc.
Why are wages stagnant? Why are businesses going to third world countries? Why isn't part of the wealth trickling down to everyone? I mean, the top are getting richer, but everyone else are worse off than 30-40 years ago. :confusedshrug:
Here's the deal...rich people are greedy. Those millions they are getting in tax breaks aren't being trickled down in the form of higher wages, that money goes to their bank accounts, or invested in the stock market or used to buy up real estate, mansions, yatchs etc.
Even though wages have been stagnant and many Americans need to work two jobs, it's a necessity now for both parents to work just to get by, it wasn't always that way, in the 50s-60s it was normal for a father to work and mom would stay at home with the kids and they could still afford to buy a car, own a home, gone on vacation and put the kids through college...wtf happened???
Even with lower tax rates and lower wages, big business making a killing, THEY STILL WANT TO MAKE MORE MONEY (Ford Motor Co. has been booming now that they've fully recovered from the brink of extinction a few years back, thanks to US tax payers) BUT they are building a huge facility in Mexico and shipping jobs there (dat loyalty) because if they can pay workers 10 dollars a day instead of 15 bucks an hour, then of course these greedy fvcks are going to take advantage of that, right? I mean, profits are in the hundreds of millions but if they can make billions, then fvck the average Joe, let's pay Jose pennies on the dollar, God forbid an American worker should have a liveable wage...
These are the people the average conservative who aren't rich support...the same ones who would take their jobs away to pay someone else in another country a shit wage so they can make even more money than they already do. They have zero sense of loyalty to their workforce...that's a fact.
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[QUOTE=UK2K]Make that much, and go for it.
Until then, keep bitching about how it isn't fair. I think its very fair, and [b]I am doing just fine. And no, I'm not part of the 1% either.[/b][/QUOTE]
I do ok too...and you'll never be part of the one percent (just in case you're that delusional , but keep shilling for them :applause: )
Look dude, just because I do alright doesn't mean I'm not aware of the huge sector of Americans who work very hard but get paid shitty wages from companies that can afford to pay better wages but, oh no, that would cut into their profits and you know we can't have that :rolleyes:
It's called empathy you callous douchebag
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[QUOTE=The Macho Man]So apparently sanders won easily but Clinton gets more delegates from new Hampshire because politics are very dumb?[/QUOTE]
It's because of the Super delegates. They are free to support for whoever, despite the ppl voting. They can change before the Dem convention starts. It depends on much momentum that Sanders get. I still think Clinton is still the favorite, but Sanders is surprisingly catching up in the polls. Last time I checked, it was tied nationally.
Clinton was leading by 20+ points in NV and SC. The last polling of NV and SC was like...december? I think? So, maybe things changed over the last couple of months, and it may be closer than what we initially thought. We'll see I guess.
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The economic indicators under Obama have been largely positive, forcing Republicans to bitch about wage inequality, which is hilarious considering the wage gap between the average American and the richest among us really began to grow once Reagan and his fellow Republicans forced trickle-down economics upon us.
The wealthiest 10% now own 75% of the nation's wealth. They sure as hell don't pay 75% of all federal taxes.
"They earned it doe" - Non-rich GOP suckers. Good job guys, keep voting for those tax cuts. At this rate, our kids will be lucky to have the socio-economic mobility we do, which is already lower than our counterparts from the 60s and 70s. :facepalm
If tax cuts and deregulation led to strong economic health, GWB's eight years should have been characterized by record growth. Instead, the opposite happened and the economy eventually crashed. Trickle-down economics DOES NOT WORK. Never has.
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[QUOTE=TheMan]I do ok too...and [B]you'll never be part of the one percent[/B] (just in case you're that delusional , but keep shilling for them :applause: )
Look dude, just because I do alright doesn't mean I'm not aware of the huge sector of Americans who work very hard but get paid shitty wages from companies that can afford to pay better wages but, oh no, that would cut into their profits and you know we can't have that :rolleyes:
It's called empathy you callous douchebag[/QUOTE]
I could have if I dedicated my life to it like they do... and you could too. I wont because being a super millionaire isn't all that important to me, but it's not because I couldn't even if I tried.
I, too, am aware lots of people work shitty jobs for shitty wages. You know how you get to that point? By making shitty life choices. You know how you get out of a shitty situation? Start making the right choices. And yeah, its hard, cause life is hard, but for the ones who are willing to do what it takes, life isn't so bad. For the others... well you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
These jobs shitty jobs that pay shitty wages are for pimple faced teenagers. If you are working one of these jobs, then you need to take a good, long, hard, realistic look at what landed you there to begin with, and then start doing the opposite. Because I guarantee you, if you ask anyone working a job for less than $12 an hour, 'what could you have done differently in your life that would have enabled you to work a higher paying job', the vast majority of them could rattle off answers a mile long.
I have empathy for those who are trying, and who are willing to put in the work to change their lives. For the rest who aren't willing, I say oh well.
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[QUOTE=UK2K]I[B] could have if I dedicated my life to it like they do... and you could too. I wont because being a super millionaire isn't all that important to me, but it's not because I couldn't even if I tried. [/B]
I, too, am aware lots of people work shitty jobs for shitty wages. You know how you get to that point? By making shitty life choices. You know how you get out of a shitty situation? Start making the right choices. And yeah, its hard, cause life is hard, but for the ones who are willing to do what it takes, life isn't so bad. For the others... well you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
These jobs shitty jobs that pay shitty wages are for pimple faced teenagers. If you are working one of these jobs, then you need to take a good, long, hard, realistic look at what landed you there to begin with, and then start doing the opposite. Because I guarantee you, if you ask anyone working a job for less than $12 an hour, 'what could you have done differently in your life that would have enabled you to work a higher paying job', the vast majority of them could rattle off answers a mile long.
I have empathy for those who are trying, and who are willing to put in the work to change their lives. For the rest who aren't willing, I say oh well.[/QUOTE]
Okayy, because instead you spend your life arguing with ISHers that Reaganomics work and anyone who doesn't believe in it must be lazy and worthless..
:coleman: :coleman:
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[QUOTE=knickballer]Okayy, because instead you spend your life arguing with ISHers that Reaganomics work and anyone who doesn't believe in it must be lazy and worthless..
:coleman: :coleman:[/QUOTE]
That's what he wants to do bro. He could have been a super millionaire but those things are trivial, unlike message board political debates
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[QUOTE=Micku]Heh. I read most Americans in general are pretty bad at that anyway.
Let me get it:
[url]http://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-2015-10-06[/url]
Of course the older generation is a bit better at that, but a lot of Americans like living on the edge or just broke.
Anyway, I don't know what tax plan is the best because I have heard mixed reports. From what little I can remember from my economic class, is that both a high tax or a low tax system could work, but it depends on well our advancement of technology flowing well at the time to create new jobs. So, I don't know if any of this is good because aren't there examples throughout USA history of both working?[/QUOTE]
You can't expect people to save when you directly incentivise spending and borrowing and the mass accumulation of debt. Keeping your money in a savings account with the interest rates of today is pretty much the same as throwing a sizeable chunk of your money down the toilet each year.
[I]Of course[/I] Americans aren't saving: part of the problem is that the accumulation of debt right now is actually the smart thing to do.
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[QUOTE=ThePhantomCreep][B]The economic indicators under Obama have been largely positive[/B], forcing Republicans to bitch about wage inequality, which is hilarious considering the wage gap between the average American and the richest among us really began to grow once Reagan and his fellow Republicans forced trickle-down economics upon us.
The wealthiest 10% now own 75% of the nation's wealth. They sure as hell don't pay 75% of all federal taxes.
"They earned it doe" - Non-rich GOP suckers. Good job guys, keep voting for those tax cuts. At this rate, our kids will be lucky to have the social mobility we do, which is already lower than our counterparts from the 60s and 70s. :facepalm
If tax cuts and deregulation led to strong economic health, GWB's eight years should have been characterized by record growth. Instead, the opposite happened and the economy eventually crashed. Trickle-down economics DOES NOT WORK. Never has.[/QUOTE]
They really haven't. Almost all the economic indicators aside from the unemployment numbers have been dreadful for a year or more now, and the stock market just had its worst start to the year [I]ever[/I].
The jobs numbers will also change very quickly considering how many people are working part-time.
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]The top tax rate was at 90% at one point.
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Why do people always bring this up? Nobody paid that rate; go look at the numbers, or read some history, instead of getting your info from motherjones.com.
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[QUOTE=Dresta]They really haven't. Almost all the economic indicators aside from the unemployment numbers have been dreadful for a year or more now, and the stock market just had its worst start to the year [I]ever[/I].
The jobs numbers will also change very quickly considering how many people are working part-time.[/QUOTE]
Yes, they really have. GDP growth was stable (higher than 2011-2013) and wages are slowly starting to climb. The U3 rate is at 4.9%--2015 created more jobs than the entire Bush presidency!
Everything is stable, if unspectacular.
The stock market was long overdue for a correction, but the Dow Jones is still 100% higher than it was seven years ago.
Why do you think GOP candidates keep exaggerating the threats of terrorism and illegal immigration? Both were bigger issues during the Bush era--hell, even five years ago, but no one dared suggest halting our refugee program (much less a Muslim ban) after 9/11 or Iraq. Now both options are being entertained after Paris and San Bernardino?
Illegal immigration has slowed to a trickle (the population actually declined by one million since 2007), but NOW is the time to build a massive 1,000 mile wall? Now is the time to scapegoat undocumented workers?
They can't really attack the economy, outside of of wage inequality, and that's a problem largely of the GOP's creation. How many policies, aimed at stimulating wages, have they championed over the years? That's right, NONE. So what do they do? They distract by making mountains out of molehills, selling irrational fear to American voters. It's all they have.