SIX Straight Finals Appearances Is A Major Accomplishment

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]The Lakers lost to a stacked Philly squad in '83 that featured Doc/Malone/Cheeks/Toney/Jones... Then you have the '89 finals where they faced Detroit, and Magic missed half the damn series. :oldlol: Hell, the '91 Lakers went H2H versus Jordan's Bulls without Kareem and even MORE injuries.

Those are some pretty good teams to hold L's against, all things considered. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

How about in 82 when they had two top 10 players of all time and lost in the first round to a 40-42 team?

Or when he single handedly choked in 3 games and lost a series they should have won 6 of the 7 games in.

Demanding perfection is idiocy. And that the point of this thread. Accept consistent greatness for greatness. Because everyone ever has had failings.

Well he needs to go at least 3-3(3/6), otherwise its better for him just not making it to NBA Finals. After all, the finals winning% matters.

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Well he needs to go at least 3-3(3/6), otherwise its better for him just not making it to NBA Finals. After all, the finals winning% matters.[/QUOTE]

It separates the the true winners from the chokers (leflop, ILt). :cheers:

[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]How about in 82 when they had two top 10 players of all time and lost in the first round to a 40-42 team?

Or when he single handedly choked in 3 games and lost a series they should have won 6 of the 7 games in.

Demanding perfection is idiocy. And that the point of this thread. Accept consistent greatness for greatness. Because everyone ever has had failings.[/QUOTE]

Uhhh, Houston was no ordinary "40-42" team. About 3 or 4 significant players on that squad were injured at some point during the regular-season, making their W/L record deceptive.

I do find it hilarious that you've been moving goalposts since my first comment in this thread. :oldlol: The original premise referenced the finals, and Magic simply won more than LeBron once both got there.

Lets see if you can stay on topic. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]that's a deflection, most teams are making ridiculous moves now. Spurs added an all nba pf to a team that's already a championship contender and no one bats an eye. Some of those moves didn't work out like the Lakers or Nets but they were ridiculous on paper. Lebron being an underdog is no different than Danny Ainge handpicking the big 3 and they were obvious underdogs 3 years later, something better came along.[/QUOTE]

Totally different scenario when you consider that LeBron handpicked his rosters not once...but twice (within 4 seasons AND in his prime :eek:)

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Uhhh, Houston was no ordinary "40-42" team. About 3 or 4 significant players on that squad were injured at some point during the regular-season, making their W/L record deceptive.

I do find it hilarious that you've been moving goalposts since my first comment in this thread. :oldlol: The original premise referenced the finals, and Magic simply won more than LeBron once both got there.

Lets see if you can stay on topic. :confusedshrug:



Totally different scenario when you consider that LeBron handpicked his rosters not once...but twice (within 4 seasons AND in his prime :eek:)[/QUOTE]

the handpicking thing is blown out of proportion and I rather have a gm handpick the roster anyway instead of a player. Golden State is one of the deepest teams of all time; Cavs are a slight underdog and that shouldn't be a slight on Bron even if he "handpicked" his roster. I mean especially a year like last year, there's no blame for being an underdog. On your initial point, Magic and the Lakers winning in the Finals really doesn't weaken the conference disparity argument that. It just means the Lakers were still the best team in the league those years. 3 maybe even 4 of the next best teams were in the East.

Lebron james making 6 straight finals is amazing regardless of competition. You still had to beat teams that won 55 plus games to make the title game.

A lot of people hate him for his image and how he's our your favorite teams out of contention. If he were to win the title this year people would still discredit him. He can't win either way. I'd love to see a city like Cleveland finally win something though.

[QUOTE=PP34Deuce]Lebron james making 6 straight finals is amazing regardless of competition. You still had to beat teams that won 55 plus games to make the title game.

A lot of people hate him for his image and how he's our your favorite teams out of contention. If he were to win the title this year people would still discredit him. He can't win either way. I'd love to see a city like Cleveland finally win something though.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

People will somehow find a way to twist it and discredit LeBron if he wins this series somehow.

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]the handpicking thing is blown out of proportion and I rather have a gm handpick the roster anyway instead of a player. Golden State is one of the deepest teams of all time; Cavs are a slight underdog and that shouldn't be a slight on Bron even if he "handpicked" his roster. I mean especially a year like last year, there's no blame for being an underdog. On your initial point, Magic and the Lakers winning in the Finals really doesn't weaken the conference disparity argument that. It just means the Lakers were still the best team in the league those years. 3 maybe even 4 of the next best teams were in the East.[/QUOTE]

Its actually never been done before. Like, name another player that's had as much pull as LeBron who left multiple 60+ win teams during his prime AND got to choose a handful of franchise caliber players to team-up with. You can't.

Far as my initial point is concerned, it may not "weaken" the conference argument, but it gets less talked about because Magic proved the Lakers could beat anyone. Superteams throughout the EAST even. LeBron on the other hand has proved the West has gotten the best of him, far more often than not.

[QUOTE]SIX Straight Finals Appearances Is A Major Accomplishment[/QUOTE]

In the east... and after colluding?!

LOL... sure, some accomplishment.

:oldlol:

In all 6 finals runs, he has not only had the most overall talent in the conference, but also at least one other top 5 player in the conference(first with D-Wade and now with Kyrie).

He is a great player, but this isn't some legendary achievement......not in that shitty conference.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Its actually never been done before. Like, name another player that's had as much pull as LeBron who left multiple 60+ win teams during his prime AND got to choose a handful of franchise caliber players to team-up with. You can't.

Far as my initial point is concerned, it may not "weaken" the conference argument, but it gets less talked about because Magic proved the Lakers could beat anyone. Superteams throughout the EAST even. LeBron on the other hand has proved the West has gotten the best of him, far more often than not.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the 2nd part then even if I still believe it doesn't say too much about the conferences. Those 60+ win teams in Cleveland were pretty big aberrations. I'm not going call guys like Mo or Jamison trash. However, I'm pretty sure no 60+ win team has had a weaker supporting cast around their best player. It was not looking good for Lebron with the Boston big 3 and orlando with dwight and a couple all star type guys. Examples of guys who left for superteams are uncommon but out there. Wilt did get traded to a team with West/Baylor and philly won 62 games the year before. Moses signed with a team that just made the Finals and had a MVP candidate. Barkley was traded to contending teams twice. Big 3 Celtics was pretty ridiculous for the time until Miami came along. Other thing to consider is most of the all time greats had no reason to leave. Earliest guy on GOAT list who had a reason to leave might've been Drob and that poor dude is definitely underrated because his lack of success even when he carried the Spurs.

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT][B]I agree with the 2nd part then even if I still believe it doesn't say too much about the conferences. Those 60+ win teams in Cleveland were pretty big aberrations.[/B] I'm not going call guys like Mo or Jamison trash. However, I'm pretty sure no 60+ win team has had a weaker supporting cast around their best player. It was not looking good for Lebron with the Boston big 3 and orlando with dwight and a couple all star type guys. Examples of guys who left for superteams are uncommon but out there. Wilt did get traded to a team with West/Baylor and philly won 62 games the year before. Moses signed with a team that just made the Finals and had a MVP candidate. Barkley was traded to contending teams twice. Big 3 Celtics was pretty ridiculous for the time until Miami came along. Other thing to consider is most of the all time greats had no reason to leave. Earliest guy on GOAT list who had a reason to leave might've been Drob and that poor dude is definitely underrated because his lack of success even when he carried the Spurs.[/QUOTE]

Some of this is revisionist history.

Those 2009/2010 Cleveland Cavaliers may have lacked in star power, but they were the ideal teams that you would put around Lebron(Spacing and strong defense).

Also, Lebron could have won in 2010 if he had decided to show up in the Boston series.

I give Lebron credit for dragging the Cavs to the finals the first time around...but after that, it's been collusion to the point that the NBA has never seen before.

So...no...not a major accomplishment, anymore than scoring two points off a cherry pick is.

[QUOTE=game3524]Some of this is revisionist history.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, all the LeBron stans from back then have created new accounts and now pretend the Cavs weren't clear favorites to win the title at the time. They were favorites against the Magic and Celtics.

After that, they were acting all cocky when the CHeats were formed, sure that Lebron would win every year. Now, it's an accomplishment on Lebron's part to simply having reached the Finals. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Phong]Unfortunately, all the LeBron stans from back then have created new accounts and now pretend the Cavs weren't clear favorites to win the title at the time. They were favorites against the Magic and Celtics.

After that, they were acting all cocky when the CHeats were formed, sure that Lebron would win every year. Now, it's an accomplishment on Lebron's part to simply having reached the Finals. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Well they have to take pride in something since Lebron might end up as a transitional champion like Isiah and the Pistons.