Jokic is Dirk/Bird/Nash all in one.
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Jokic is Dirk/Bird/Nash all in one.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14775120]Jokic is Dirk/Bird/Nash all in one.[/QUOTE]
and Shaq.
The way he bullies opponents with his size and backs them down is very Shaq like.
Its crazy to think a player would be reminiscent of both Nash and Shaq. And everything in between, like Dirk.
Guy is a unicorn.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14775121]and Shaq.
The way he bullies opponents with his size and backs them down is very Shaq like.
Its crazy to think a player would be reminiscent of both Nash and Shaq. And everything in between, like Dirk.
Guy is a unicorn.[/QUOTE]
I want to include this part of my OP from December.
"I still see many people act like Embiid is better than Jokic, which is very odd since Embiid has accomplished less than Joker and is definitely a worse playoff performer."
This was STILL true even during the 1st round of the playoffs.
Embiid's playoff career is littered with injuries, mental chokes, and underperformances. Meanwhile Jokic has been a superstar pretty much always in the playoffs.
If Embiid loses game 7 against the Celtics, then hopefully any talk of Embiid>Jokic will stop.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14775122]I want to include this part of my OP from December.
"I still see many people act like Embiid is better than Jokic, which is very odd since Embiid has accomplished less than Joker and is definitely a worse playoff performer."
This was STILL true even during the 1st round of the playoffs.
[B]Embiid's playoff career is littered with injuries, mental chokes, and underperformances. Meanwhile Jokic has been a superstar pretty much always in the playoffs.
If Embiid loses game 7 against the Celtics, then hopefully any talk of Embiid>Jokic will stop.[/B][/QUOTE]
Quick bump from two days ago.
Not surprised at all that Embiid stunk up game 7.
Jokic and Giannis are clearly ahead of Embiid until Embiid can physically and mentally play like a superstar in the playoffs.
One more W until he gets to his first finals. Really hope he wins a ring this year and shuts up all the media/fan morons. Jokic is the most skilled player of all time.
As I understand it, the thinking is as follows: He has a vertical leap of somewhere between 5-10”. Therefore, he must be bad at basketball. Don’t believe all those other things that might indicate otherwise.
:rockon:
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14702260]Dude is basically Dirk Nowitzki but with elite PG passing abilities added on. Even though he hasn't made a finals yet, he has always been a superstar in the playoffs.
Last three regular seasons averages (170 games).
Jokic: 26.4/12/8.2 with only 3.5 turnovers per game. [B]32.1 PER[/B], 66 TS%, [B]12.8 BPM[/B]
I understand the league is very offensive friendly now, but the Joker is annihilating everyone on offense. His advanced stats look like prime MJ/Lebron level. If he was a black American and athletic (more exciting playstyle), he'd be in GOAT talks. I still see many people act like Embiid is better than Jokic, which is very odd since Embiid has accomplished less than Joker and is definitely a worse playoff performer.[/QUOTE]
OP is dead on.
There are STILL tons of people not willing to say Jokic is the best player in the league...it's insane.
Not only has he been the best player for the last three years, but is easily peaking as one of the best offensive players of all time.
When have we had a player who is an elite scorer from every spot on the floor AND the best passer in the league?
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14796646]Not only has he been the best player for the last three years, but is easily peaking as one of the best offensive players of all time.
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I think he is not at his peak yet. Doesn't rely much on jumping and speed so his peak may be when he is 30-33. He is in his prime and has been for the last 2-3 years but I think he still has a gear in him. Like the last game, aka game 3 vs. the Heat. He can constantly play that way in the playoffs. He was visibly better than is games 1 and 2. If he starts the game with rebounding aggresseively and with a chip on his shoulder, wanting to take over like he did in all game 3, he is bound to have some even better performances.
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14796670]I think he is not at his peak yet. Doesn't rely much on jumping and speed so his peak may be when he is 30-33. He is in his prime and has been for the last 2-3 years but I think he still has a gear in him. Like the last game, aka game 3 vs. the Heat. He can constantly play that way in the playoffs. He was visibly better than is games 1 and 2. If he starts the game with rebounding aggresseively and with a chip on his shoulder, wanting to take over like he did in all game 3, he is bound to have some even better performances.[/QUOTE]
I don't see him getting better physically, but with even more experience, he should get better defensively and better from 3.
He doesn't really need to get better either. This postseason he dominated AD in their head to head as well. The only thing that remains to be seen is how he would do against another big center such as Embiid, but that's basically it. Who else can stop Jokic with a halfway competent team?
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14796680]I don't see him getting better physically, but with even more experience, he should get better defensively and better from 3.
He doesn't really need to get better either. This postseason he dominated AD in their head to head as well. The only thing that remains to be seen is how he would do against another big center such as Embiid, but that's basically it. Who else can stop Jokic with a halfway competent team?[/QUOTE]
He doesn't need to get better. All I was saying is that I can imagine him becoming even better. Nash became better over 30. Not physically but as a player. One can argue that Kobe became better despite being less athletic at aroind the age of 30. Dirk was at his best as a 32-33 year-old. The way Jokic plays he can improve in some areas, one of them being looking to attack the basket more just like he did this last game. We shall see,
[QUOTE=Akeem34TheDream;14702272]Jokic's terrible defense hurts the Nuggets in the playoffs. According to the some advanced stats he is one of the 3 best players ever but he has terrible on/off numbers in the playoffs. Guys like Curry and KD are better defenders. I really like Jokic actually he is incredibly entertaining but he isn't much better than Embiid. Maybe very slightly. He is much better offensively but also much worse defensively.[/QUOTE]
OOOF okay this post aged terribly and i know that his supporting cast was terrible in the last 2 playoffs but the way they got swept against the Suns was so terrible. Chris Paul pretty much exposed him in that series. Seriously go watch it. But the Nuggets and Jokic got much better obviously. I have heard someone say those 2 playoff experiences made him a better player because he became a more aggressive scorer and i agree with that. Also Jokic and Murray compliment each other beautifully. I just regret the Embiid part, i feel like he played even worse in recent playoffs.
[QUOTE=Akeem34TheDream;14796688]OOOF okay this post aged terribly and i know that his supporting cast was terrible in the last 2 playoffs but the way they got swept against the Suns was so terrible. Chris Paul pretty much exposed him in that series. Seriously go watch it. But the Nuggets and Jokic got much better obviously. I have heard someone say those 2 playoff experiences made him a better player because he became a more aggressive scorer and i agree with that. Also Jokic and Murray compliment each other beautifully. I just regret the Embiid part, i feel like he played even worse in recent playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Embiid literally never had an argument as being better than Jokic.
Even when people were trying to tear down Jokic during this season by saying he "hasn't done anything in the playoffs" (which is ignorant and a lie), he's literally gone further in the playoffs then Embiid ever has. So even that argument was complete bullshit.
People are simply mad that Jokic has proven them ignorant.
First 3 finals games for Jokic.
33/14/9 on 59/44/86 splits. If he keeps this up and wins a ring, it might be the best "debut" finals performance since MJ in 91.
Seriously hoping Denver wins this ring so all the dumbasses can shut up about Jokic.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14796700]First 3 finals games for Jokic.
33/14/9 on 59/44/86 splits. I[B]f he keeps this up and wins a ring, it might be the best "debut" finals performance since MJ in 91.[/B]
Seriously hoping Denver wins this ring so all the dumbasses can shut up about Jokic.[/QUOTE]
Giannis was great too. I think it's him, Jokic, and MJ in terms of best debut since 1990.
But Jokic got some crazy stats. Dude is averaging a 30pt triple-double in the playoffs. All the way to the finals. Insane.