How do you go about ranking Kobe Bryant?

[QUOTE=RRR3;14871185]LeBron obliterates Kobe in [B][SIZE=4]impact stats[/SIZE][/B], he's quite literally factually better. They played their careers during a time when such things could be tracked, this isn't like comparing Elgin Baylor to John Havlicek, we actually have [B][SIZE=4]the data[/SIZE][/B]. Arguing against[B][SIZE=4] stats[/SIZE][/B] is stupid, literally every competent GM[B][SIZE=4] uses advanced stats and impact data[/SIZE][/B] to determine who they get. The reason guys like Billy Beane in the MLB and Darryl Morey in the NBA were able to get ahead of the rest of the field was because they were using advanced stats when the rest of the league was still using silly stuff like "killer instinct" or whatever buzzwords talking heads come up with.[/QUOTE]

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The stat dork era ladies and gentlemen.

Sorry but you can't judge greatness using a calculator.

Bronnies down BAD in this thread. Just exposing themselves as casual fans.

[QUOTE=Axe;14871187]Just answer the freaking question, you dolt. :confusedshrug:

Idc if you think he's the better player between the two. That question is related with regards to his actual all-time ranking.[/QUOTE]

I think if you're using regular season MVP as a criteria to judge players you're a effing retard.

Happy?

[QUOTE=RRR3;14871185]LeBron obliterates Kobe in impact stats, he's quite literally factually better. They played their careers during a time when such things could be tracked, this isn't like comparing Elgin Baylor to John Havlicek, we actually have the data. Arguing against stats is stupid, literally every competent GM uses advanced stats and impact data to determine who they get. The reason guys like Billy Beane in the MLB and Darryl Morey in the NBA were able to get ahead of the rest of the field was because they were using advanced stats when the rest of the league was still using silly stuff like "killer instinct" or whatever buzzwords talking heads come up with.[/QUOTE]

And many GMs make sub-optimal decisions many times. I'm not getting into this Kobe vs. LeBron debate but basing literally everything on stats in basketball is not the way to go. The players themselves actually don't. They don't want teammates with the best advanced stats, they want teammates who can ball and who they can go to battle with.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14871188]:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

The stat dork era ladies and gentlemen.

Sorry but you can't judge greatness using a calculator.

Bronnies down BAD in this thread. Just exposing themselves as casual fans.[/QUOTE]
You are the type of moron to argue Derek Jeter was better than Alex Rodriguez. I hate to break it to you, but all the best teams are run by "stat guys". Anyone who analyzes sports seriously relies heavily on stats. It's why Billy Beane was able to build a dominant roster with a pauper (relatively speaking) budget back when no one else was thinking outside the box.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14871186]KD is better one on one player, better scorer & free throw shooter than LeBron, yet nobody has him ranked ahead of him.

Better leader? We are talking about a guy who didn't speak to teammates because he felt superior (Ask Smush Parker)[/QUOTE]

KD never had the heart. He's been soft his entire career. He's had his moments but for the most part he never knew when or how to take over. He only dominated when had the luxury of playing on a super team with multiple super weapons at his disposal. He was never as good as Bron or as dominant.

Watch the Redeem Team doc and then tell me who's the better leader between Kobe and Lebron. You tell me who was better at setting the tone and setting the example for their teammates.

Guy said SMUSH PARKER. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[QUOTE=elementally morale;14871190]And many GMs make sub-optimal decisions many times. I'm not getting into this Kobe vs. LeBron debate but basing literally everything on stats in basketball is not the way to go. The players themselves actually don't. They don't want teammates with the best advanced stats, they want teammates who can ball and who they can go to battle with.[/QUOTE]
The GMs who make bad decisions are the ones who don't rely heavily on data. Guys like Masai Ujiri, Pat Riley, Darryl Morey, Brad Stevens etc. rely heavily on an analytics department. Your other point would only make sense if people would rather play with Kobe than LeBron, but most people would prefer not to play with guys like MJ or Kobe because they're just impossible to deal with. LeBron can be corny and melodramatic, but you know he's not gonna literally assault you or not talk to you.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14871194]KD never had the heart. He's been soft his entire career. He's had his moments but for the most part he never knew when or how to take over. He only dominated when had the luxury of playing on a super team with multiple super weapons at his disposal. He was never as good as Bron or as dominant.

Watch the Redeem Team doc and then tell me who's the better leader between Kobe and Lebron. You tell me who was better at setting the tone and setting the example for their teammates.

Guy said SMUSH PARKER. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
For someone who claims to be an independent thinker, it's funny how you're just regurgitating talking head nonsense in this thread while me and 1987 are using actual arguments.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14871193]You are the type of moron to argue Derek Jeter was better than Alex Rodriguez. I hate to break it to you, but all the best teams are run by "stat guys". Anyone who analyzes sports seriously relies heavily on stats. It's why Billy Beane was able to build a dominant roster with a pauper (relatively speaking) budget back when no one else was thinking outside the box.[/QUOTE]

That's funny because aside from one season the lasting image of A-Rod in the playoffs was usually him striking out.

If Jeter and A-Rod had switched roles, I'm almost positive that A-Rod wouldn't have had the same number of rings. Jeter was the spiritual leader and tone setter for the entire team. He actually came up big when it mattered.

You know nothing about sports. You're a stat dork. Log off.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14871194]Guy said SMUSH PARKER. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

He was a teammate, no matter how bad a player is, as a teammate if I saw our best player shit and not talk to another player for "not being on his level", I would look at him different. At the end of the day, you guys are there for the same purpose, to battle together as a team and win. That right there isn't good for team morale.

Kobe was a good leader in the sense that he didn't let anyone slack off, but he was pretty distant from his teammates and was a known a-hole. This is the same guy who didn't invite any of his teammates to his wedding and cried wolf when none of his teammates backed him up when he went through the whole rape allegations stuff.

This dude legit just said Derek Jeter was better than A-Rod :roll:


You can't argue with that kinda stupidity. Jesus Christ. Never talk baseball again.


That is legit the stupidest shit I've read all day lmfao.







DEREK JETER over A-Rod :roll:







That's like ranking Donovan Mitchell over Wilt :yaohappy:

[QUOTE=Baller234;14871189]I think if you're using regular season MVP as a criteria to judge players you're a effing retard.

Happy?[/QUOTE]
So you still can't answer my question eh? What a doofus. :facepalm

And i never implied that it's the only thing that should be looked upon in terms of ranking them. Obviously there are a lot more and you need to know what they have if you're to compare them because that's one way you can differentiate these players in terms of where they would rank.

Bawler is the type of retard to say something like David Ortiz>Barry Bonds :roll:

ESPN NARRATIVES!!! CLUTCH JEAN!!!! DA WILL TO WIN!!!! MAMBA MENTALITY!

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14871200]He was a teammate, no matter how bad a player is, as a teammate if I saw our best player shit and not talk to another player for "not being on his level", I would look at him different. At the end of the day, you guys are there for the same purpose, to battle together and win. That right there isn't good for team morale.

Kobe was a good leader in the sense that he didn't let anyone slack off, but he was pretty distant from his teammates and was a known a-hole. This is the same guy who didn't invite any of his teammates to his wedding and cried wolf when none of his teammates backed him when he went through the whole rape allegations stuff.[/QUOTE]

Kobe was a better leader because he led by example. He was the hardest worker on the floor at all times. Slacking off wasn't an option. Everyone knew their role.

Look at the way Lamar Odom talked about Kobe after he died. He talks about the guy as if he wasn't human. The way he admired and looked up to Kobe speaks volumes about his ability and his leadership.

Kobe won titles playing with Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, Andrew Bynum, etc.. notorious head cases. They all fell in line under Kobe.

Larry Bird said if you wanna have fun you play with Lebron, if you wanna win you play with Kobe.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14871205]Kobe was a better leader because he led by example. He was the hardest worker on the floor at all times. Slacking off wasn't an option. Everyone knew their role.

Look at the way Lamar Odom talked about Kobe after he died. He talks about the guy as if he wasn't human. The way he admired and looked up to Kobe speaks volumes about his ability and his leadership.

Kobe won titles playing with Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, Andrew Bynum, etc.. notorious head cases. They all fell in line under Kobe.
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Larry Bird said if you wanna have fun you play with Lebron, if you wanna win you play with Kobe.[/B][/QUOTE]
He said this before LeBron had won any rings. Now LeBron has won 4 rings as the best player to Kobe's 2 :yaohappy:

[QUOTE=RRR3;14871197]For someone who claims to be an independent thinker, it's funny how you're just regurgitating talking head nonsense in this thread while me and 1987 are using actual arguments.[/QUOTE]

Lmao I already dismantled all of those arguments.

Effiency = bogus argument

TS% = bogus argument