MJ's 1988 DPOY is now being "Questioned". HOME vs ROAD Steals has twice as much Gap

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^^^ [B]Alvin Robertson and MJ[/B]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0M2WPEkE_w&t=09m18s[/url]


All players experience higher stocks at home, but MJ was the only DPOY on the list with high blocks AND steals, so his bounce was higher than the other 1-dimensional DPOY's on the list... See the chart above that shows Alvin Robertson with equal bounce in steals at home but Alvin wasn't a shot-blocker, so his [I]overall[/I] bounce in stocks wasn't quite as high as Jordan's..

Similarly, the shot-blocking bigs didn't steal the ball much, so they didn't see bounce in steals like Alvin or MJ... Again, only MJ saw bounce in both because he's the only guy that was doing both (elite steals and blocks), so his [I]overall[/I] stocks bounce is a little higher than the normal bounce that the other DPOY's got..

So that's the trick and the fraud that Tom Haberstroh and Klutch Sports perpetrated - Jordan's overall stocks bounce was slightly higher because he was the only DPOY that had high volume of both blocks and steals... The 5-game sample was used to say that Jordan's slightly-higher home bounce was due to bad record-keeping instead - but we know that it's actually because he was such a goat all-round defender (blocks and steals), while the other DPOY's on the list were 1-dimensional and only saw bounces in the one category (blocks OR steals).

And again - regarding the big bounce in home steals for guards like Alvin Robertson or MJ - they have 2-way burdens and therefore higher energy burdens - so apparently, when they lack the crowd boost on the road, they manage their higher energy burden by gambling less and getting less steals

[QUOTE=Da_Realist;14923666][video=youtube;p0M2WPEkE_w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0M2WPEkE_w[/video][/QUOTE]

Lol I was just coming here to post that. The article is basically a non-peer reviewed study. An obvious hit piece that doesn’t stand upon an unbiased look :oldlol:

[QUOTE=theman93;14923682]Lol I was just coming here to post that. The article is basically a non-peer reviewed study. An obvious hit piece that doesn’t stand upon an unbiased look :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

A non peer reviewed study? Wtf, so with that you just basically invalidated how many articles and documentaries in NBA history? "Peer reviewed "on inside hoops :oldlol:

[QUOTE=BlackMamba8;14923655]hey diva, you can try to find anything to diminish anything MJ did.....but the fact is that hes 6/6 in the finals and bron has 4 chips in 20 years while switching teams LOL...now be gone or ill have to **** you up myself......got it? SHUT YOUR MOUTH[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: you'd probably better quit before it gets worse.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14923683]A non peer reviewed study? Wtf, so with that you just basically invalidated how many articles and documentaries in NBA history? "Peer reviewed "on inside hoops :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Don’t get it twisted, this article is not your average article/documentary. It’s a hit piece written to question an award won by the GOAT in an effort to tear him down and prop up Lebron. And yes, the article is an equivalent to a non-peer reviewed study.

[QUOTE=theman93;14923686]Don’t get it twisted, this article is not your average article/documentary. It’s a hit piece written to question an award won by the GOAT in an effort to tear him down and prop up Lebron. And yes, the article is an equivalent to a non-peer reviewed study.[/QUOTE]

It's completely transparent to everyone

MJ stan group therapy session :roll:

[QUOTE=RRR3;14923689]MJ stan group therapy session :roll:[/QUOTE]


[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]


High steals players like Alvin Robertson and MJ have 2x steals at home

High blocks players like Eaton and MJ have 2x blocks at home

Only MJ had high steals [i]and[/i] blocks, so his overall "stocks" inflation at home was a little higher than the norm

The 5-game sample is meant to refute this and say that MJ's abnormal home inflation is due to bad record-keeping... But obviously, a 5-game sample isn't viable and no sample is possible because there's no reason to believe the new subjective ruling is any better than the original.. Subjective stats like steals, blocks, assists and rebounds are set in stone - there's no effective review of them..

[QUOTE=theman93;14923686]Don’t get it twisted, this article is not your average article/documentary. It’s a hit piece written to question an award won by the GOAT in an effort to tear him down and prop up Lebron. And yes, the article is an equivalent to a non-peer reviewed study.[/QUOTE]

Jordan stans so sensitive in 2024. If you read the piece you get a whole train of thought of how it got to Mjs dpoy season. It also goes out of its way to say this was a behavior of the time. Validating a theory isn't a hit piece, it's historical research. If it was Lebron in question you wouldn't give a shit if it was "peer reciewed"

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923691][B]Thread Cliffs[/B]


High steals players like Alvin Robertson and MJ have 2x steals at home

High blocks players like Eaton and MJ have 2x blocks at home

Only MJ had high steals [i]and[/i] blocks, so his overall "stocks" inflation at home was a little higher than the norm

The 5-game sample is meant to refute this and say that MJ's abnormal home inflation is due to bad record-keeping... But obviously, a 5-game sample isn't viable and no sample is possible because there's no reason to believe the new subjective ruling is any better than the original.. Subjective stats like steals, blocks, assists and rebounds are set in stone - there's no effective review of them..[/QUOTE]

This should be a lesson about judging new players by modern standards while not doing the same with the old. Having the same standards across the board avoids such embarrassments.

Two famous factions in ish getting hysterical against each other lol.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14923696]This should be a lesson about judging new players by modern standards while not doing the same with the old. Having the same standards across the board avoids such embarrassments.[/QUOTE]



Team records are always much better at home because players perform much better at home - Jaren jackson showed this kind of home boost in 2023 when he won DPOY and so did prior DPOY's - so there's no evidence the stats were inflated in prior eras.. Teams and players simply perform much better at home and always have..

Btw, the lower overall home inflation in the modern game is due to road trips not being the drain that they once were due to private jets and modern accommodations, while also having easier scheduling for road trips than prior eras (more days in between).. And fans are generally nicer and get thrown out if they bother players.. It's just different.

Ultimately, Jordan's slightly higher bounce at home than other DPOY's like Jaren Jackson or Alvin Robertson is because high shot-blockers see great boost at home on blocks (Eaton or Jaren Jackson), while high steals guys see a great boost in steals (Robertson), but Jordan is the only DPOY that is high in both categories - so his overall "stock" inflation (blocks and steals combined) is a little higher.. In addition being elite in both steals and blocks, MJ was the goat scorer, so these factors made him a unique DPOY with different stats than normal DPOY's.

The 5-game sample is meant to refute this and say that MJ's abnormal home inflation is due to bad record-keeping.. But obviously, a 5-game sample isn't viable and no sample is possible because there's no reason to believe the new subjective ruling is any better than the original.. Subjective stats like steals, blocks, assists and rebounds are set in stone - there's no effective review of them..

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14923695]Jordan stans so sensitive in 2024. If you read the piece you get a whole train of thought of how it got to Mjs dpoy season. It also goes out of its way to say this was a behavior of the time. Validating a theory isn't a hit piece, it's historical research. If it was Lebron in question you wouldn't give a shit if it was "peer reciewed"[/QUOTE]

This. We done with the 90s!

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14923695]Jordan stans so sensitive in 2024. If you read the piece you get a whole train of thought of how it got to Mjs dpoy season. It also goes out of its way to say this was a behavior of the time. Validating a theory isn't a hit piece, it's historical research. If it was Lebron in question you wouldn't give a shit if it was "peer reciewed"[/QUOTE]

I did read it. If it wasn’t a hit piece then the author would have selected any other DPOY to make the topic of the article about. Out of everyone he just so happened to choose MJ? Why? Because it’s a hit piece to try and take MJ down a peg and Lebron up a peg. The article had absolutely nothing to do with Lebron, yet the title of the article mentions him? Obvious hit piece is obvious.

[QUOTE=SATAN;14923704]This. We done with the 90s![/QUOTE]

da faak 90s has to do with this you sick fakk it.

We talkin' 1988 here!