Curry is a super star in his era, and a HOF'er ... that is all.
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Curry is a super star in his era, and a HOF'er ... that is all.
Steph is the only serious challenger to the status as the best in the last 25 years.
We know how I feel about Bron, but hard to say Steph is better. To me Curry is probably a tier 2 guy who usually plays like a tier 3, but he can come so close to tier 1 (which imo there isn’t anyone who is always playing on that level,) you have to plan for it. He’s more fire than Kobe or Ivo cuz 3s. He doesn’t need the ball to shift d.
I finally understand the way Steph seems underrated and overrated at once. He doesn’t always play and he doesn’t need to play at top form. But he is hot sauce on a different level.
Still not GOAT and he has no case over Bron. He’s closer to Kobe, a transformative player with cultural impact, but Bron’s resume is retarded. It’s prol true he’s getting empty stats now, but you gotta be hating to think people are gonna care too much after he retires.
Mj is the only one he’ll never be, but he’s top 2 arguable by resume and peak skill.
-Smak
He's the best since Kobe but I can't go as far as to say that he has a case for GOAT with 4 rings. Had he won in 2016 & had everything else played out the same way I could have made an argument for him.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14937047]He's the best since Kobe but I can't go as far as to say that he has a case for GOAT with 4 rings. Had he won in 2016 & had everything else played out the same way I could have made an argument for him.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Stephonit;14936994]Steph is the only serious challenger to the status as the best in the last 25 years.[/QUOTE]
Who has the status
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14937053]Who has the status[/QUOTE]
The conventional answer is Jordan but I give Russell and Kareem enough due that I can see insistence upon separating by era. The only player since Jordan who I can see as demarcating another era is Curry.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14937047]He's the best since Kobe but I can't go as far as to say that he has a case for GOAT with 4 rings. Had he won in 2016 & had everything else played out the same way I could have made an argument for him.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14937052]:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
He's the only player that led a dynasty in his era. Greatest RS ever. 4 - 2 in the Finals. 21 - 13 Finals record. Greatest shooter ever. Peak as good as anyone's. Arguably the most influential player ever.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14937077]He's the only player that led a dynasty in his era.[/QUOTE]
Never won FMVP over Durant
Just like Kobe didn't win FMVP over Shaq
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937079]Never won FMVP over Durant
Just like Kobe didn't win FMVP over Shaq[/QUOTE]
Shaq actually called kobe his "little brother"
Kobe was always a beachmade.
reason he deliberately sabotaged 2004 Finals in lu of 2004 FMVP.
[QUOTE=gengiskhan;14937083]Shaq actually called kobe his "little brother"
Kobe was always a beachmade.
reason he deliberately sabotaged 2004 Finals in lu of 2004 FMVP.[/QUOTE]
Shaq also said Kobe was the best player in the world.
Be careful.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14937088]Shaq also said Kobe was the best player in the world.
Be careful.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;x5PDgv5y-S0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5PDgv5y-S0[/video]
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14937088]Shaq also said Kobe was the best player in the world.
Be careful.[/QUOTE]
when there is no weight on his shoulders to deliver anything.
when someone has already "gifted" him a 3peat championships before age 24.
Sure you look world's best by shot jocking at 44%FG. :lol
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14936390]The data don’t lie. Everything on that list looks pretty legit to be honest. The company who made that metric got bought out big time to do political shit. They don’t even do this small time nba stuff anymore unfortunately.
But is it truly a shocker that Lebron scores closer to James Harden than he does to Curry and Jokic?
Like we said eye test backs this up….Lebron pumps up the box score but his teams aren’t as efficient as a Jokic or Steph team. You can squirm around all you want claiming needs more help or whatever but according to his box score, Lebron has had an extended prime of around 20 years…if you want to argue he’s had such bad luck and all of his teammates are so bad…okay, it’s just gets a bit insane at some point.[/QUOTE]
You make a solid point here. I don't necessarily agree, but when it comes to Jokic and Magic, for their respected eras and careers, many people then and now will have them #1 or top 3. Their defense wasn't great either, but many will consider their offensive impact to make up for it.
Steph is in a similar category. And I'd argue that he's more impactful off the ball than with the ball in his hands. His style of play revolutionized the game and the system in which he's played. This cannot be argued, and I think there is some credence to what it is that you're saying.
Having said that, it's hard to get away from the postseason performances and him not winning a FMVP until 2022. We'll never know what happens in 2017 and 2018 without KD, but he had a chance in 2019.
In game 6, it was Klay carrying the team. Steph put up 21 points on a putrid 35%, including 27% from 3. In the 4th quarter he went 1-6 (16%). Once again, we found him to be underwhelming in situations where it mattered the most.
2022 was a sort of redemption, but it took pretty long for him to finally secure a FMVP.