How Trump outsmarted China

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14993465]Do you believe then that people voted for Trump due to a whole new set of reasons than in 2016? The main focus of the 2024 campaign was to point out how big of a disaster dems were, because they sold out the country, doesn't really care about the people and were instead trying to import new voters.



It's been like two weeks right? If you think the coming deals with the EU and China are just for optics then there isn't much point in discussing it, as the only thing that could prove you wrong will happen over time.
In Europe they have both blanket and targeted tariffs set in specific deals, why can't the same thing work for the US? You literally can't export anything to the EU without paying a tariff, what's the technical reason this wouldn't work for the US? They'll even tell you directly on official EU sites why they do this:


[URL="https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en"]https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en[/URL]



So the thing cited from the White house was to show that it's very much still a talking point that previous politicians sold out the US, it was literally mentioned in the sub header of the recent press release on tariffs while TheMan was presenting it as "an unpleasant truth for MAGAs", which is of course completely ridiculous. I wasn't proving conspiracies or anything like that through a White house press release, so just calm the **** down and get off your high horse.
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If there's one thing MAGAs love to talk about it's how shitty previous politicians have been.[/B] Someone like TheMan will ridicule repubs for not wanting to talk about how they voted for Bush or whatever, but it's actually a good thing because he was a terrible president. The disconnect is that people on the right in large parts have accepted that previous politicians were shit, but on dems side they're still very much hanging on to Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Biden being good politicians who did well for the country, just pretending that Bernie doesn't exist and didn't get screwed out of a candidacy by that very same group.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and then you think your beloved Trump is any different, hence why people are laughing at you

[QUOTE=RRR3;14993502]Yeah and then you think your beloved Trump is any different, hence why people are laughing at you[/QUOTE]

Says the kid who thinks he's cool voting for a rapper for President. I can only imagine a girls reaction when try to wow them with your alleged love for anarchy too.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14993465]Do you believe then that people voted for Trump due to a whole new set of reasons than in 2016? The main focus of the 2024 campaign was to point out how big of a disaster dems were, because they sold out the country, doesn't really care about the people and were instead trying to import new voters.



It's been like two weeks right? If you think the coming deals with the EU and China are just for optics then there isn't much point in discussing it, as the only thing that could prove you wrong will happen over time.
In Europe they have both blanket and targeted tariffs set in specific deals, why can't the same thing work for the US? You literally can't export anything to the EU without paying a tariff, what's the technical reason this wouldn't work for the US? They'll even tell you directly on official EU sites why they do this:


[URL="https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en"]https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en[/URL]



So the thing cited from the White house was to show that it's very much still a talking point that previous politicians sold out the US, it was literally mentioned in the sub header of the recent press release on tariffs while TheMan was presenting it as "an unpleasant truth for MAGAs", which is of course completely ridiculous. I wasn't proving conspiracies or anything like that through a White house press release, so just calm the **** down and get off your high horse.

If there's one thing MAGAs love to talk about it's how shitty previous politicians have been. Someone like TheMan will ridicule repubs for not wanting to talk about how they voted for Bush or whatever, but it's actually a good thing because he was a terrible president. The disconnect is that people on the right in large parts have accepted that previous politicians were shit, but on dems side they're still very much hanging on to Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Biden being good politicians who did well for the country, just pretending that Bernie doesn't exist and didn't get screwed out of a candidacy by that very same group.[/QUOTE]

dude you just seem to be very overly optimistic about all of this while the reality is this tariff implementation is sloppy, uncalculated and unpredictable. one minute they're on then they're off, they're at a set percentage and then they're not, no exemptions oh no but wait these exemptions. there's zero stability. trump's basically just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. what are we trying to accomplish here? if the trump administration would take a breath and put together a targeted and intelligent plan to bring back specific manufacturing industries then i'd be all for it because there's no doubt and I fully acknowledge that trade agreements, nafta in particular have been hurting us for a long time (still to this day) and that we have a broken trade system but like I said - this ain't it jack. i give trump credit for bringing this issue to the forefront but it ends there.

i guess we'll see though, won't we? maybe trump will change tariff policy bigly tomorrow or the next day only to switch it up again the following week. :rolleyes: no one here can plan around this chaos. [URL="https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-11-25/card/jd-com-pledges-27-billion-to-help-chinese-exporters-7mrc8ASFaJXeuk3PFn0O"]meanwhile china is making moves mobilizing their industry in full force in order to weather this storm.[/URL]

nonetheless, just wait until the price increases hit and trump's poll numbers plummet. it'll be interesting to see what route gets taken then.

like i said - this so called policy isn't what you're wishing it were. either that or you're confused or in denial about it. frankly it sounds to me like you're suffering from a mild case of trump enslavement syndrome here, with all due respect brother.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14993528]dude you just seem to be very overly optimistic about all of this while the reality is this tariff implementation is sloppy, uncalculated and unpredictable. one minute they're on then they're off, they're at a set percentage and then they're not, no exemptions oh no but wait these exemptions. there's zero stability. trump's basically just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. what are we trying to accomplish here? if the trump administration would take a breath and put together a targeted and intelligent plan to bring back specific manufacturing industries then i'd be all for it because there's no doubt and I fully acknowledge that trade agreements, nafta in particular have been hurting us for a long time (still to this day) and that we have a broken trade system but like I said - this ain't it jack. i give trump credit for bringing this issue to the forefront but it ends there.

i guess we'll see though, won't we? maybe trump will change tariff policy bigly tomorrow or the next day only to switch it up again the following week. :rolleyes: no one here can plan around this chaos. [URL="https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-11-25/card/jd-com-pledges-27-billion-to-help-chinese-exporters-7mrc8ASFaJXeuk3PFn0O"]meanwhile china is making moves mobilizing their industry in full force in order to weather this storm.[/URL]

nonetheless, just wait until the price increases hit and trump's poll numbers plummet. it'll be interesting to see what route gets taken then.

like i said - this so called policy isn't what you're wishing it were. either that or you're confused or in denial about it. frankly it sounds to me like you're suffering from a mild case of trump enslavement syndrome here, with all due respect brother.[/QUOTE]

"Trump needs a well thought out plan..."

"There's too must instability, he's too unpredictable..."

When you sit down at the poker table, things don't always go according to strategy. It's not like he's teaching 1st grade math here, he's going toe to toe with world leaders and trying to bring them to heel. He's throwing punches and he's taking punches.

If he blows our entire chip stack and bankrupts the country, then fine you have my permission to point the finger. In reality though the poker game is still being played and we still have plenty of leverage. The stock market is not the be all and end all when it comes to the economy, and like always that too will come back.

The "strategy" is short term pain for long term gain. I don't expect everything to go 100% smoothly.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14993535]"Trump needs a well thought out plan..."

"There's too must instability, he's too unpredictable..."

When you sit down at the poker table, things don't always go according to strategy. It's not like he's teaching 1st grade math here, he's going toe to toe with world leaders and trying to bring them to heel. He's throwing punches and he's taking punches.

If he blows our entire chip stack and bankrupts the country, then fine you have my permission to point the finger. In reality though the poker game is still being played and we still have plenty of leverage. The stock market is not the be all and end all when it comes to the economy, and like always that too will come back.

The "strategy" is short term pain for long term gain. I don't expect everything to go 100% smoothly.[/QUOTE]

i'm not so easily convinced. i don't know who you are and i ain't preaching but don't be so quick to give a president the benefit of the doubt because it almost always ends in disappointment. i stay skeptical until i see results - not results pushed by the administration and it's cohorts in the media but results that i can see with my own two eyes. but we'll see though, and ill be glad to have that conversation in due time whichever way the pendulum ends up swinging.

i hope for the sake of folks that voted trump into office to get away from taxes and inflation and especially for small businesses that are gonna be feeling that short term pain you speak of that you're right. like i said, that pain will show in trump's poll numbers and you'd better believe he takes that shit as serious as a heart attack.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14993583]i'm not so easily convinced. i don't know who you are and i ain't preaching but don't be so quick to give a president the benefit of the doubt because it almost always ends in disappointment. i stay skeptical until i see results - not results pushed by the administration and it's cohorts in the media but results that i can see with my own two eyes. but we'll see though, and ill be glad to have that conversation in due time whichever way the pendulum ends up swinging.

i hope for the sake of folks that voted trump into office to get away from taxes and inflation and especially for small businesses that are gonna be feeling that short term pain you speak of that you're right. like i said, that pain will show in trump's poll numbers and you'd better believe he takes that shit as serious as a heart attack.[/QUOTE]

Why shouldn't his voters give him the benefit of the doubt? It's why they voted for him. They wanted him to be a tough negotiator.

I don't really think Trump has to worry about poll numbers. He's been defying the odds and proving polls wrong his entire career. He also knows the democrats are insanely weak right now too so he has way more room to move and fukk up.

In short, the sky would have to be falling in order for the people to abandon Trump. When the average person is really feeling it. The detractors smell blood so they are going to try and craft this narrative that the sky IS falling, but in reality we're in the same boat we've been in.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14993528]dude you just seem to be very overly optimistic about all of this while the reality is this tariff implementation is sloppy, uncalculated and unpredictable. one minute they're on then they're off, they're at a set percentage and then they're not, no exemptions oh no but wait these exemptions. there's zero stability. trump's basically just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. what are we trying to accomplish here? if the trump administration would take a breath and put together a targeted and intelligent plan to bring back specific manufacturing industries then i'd be all for it because there's no doubt and I fully acknowledge that trade agreements, nafta in particular have been hurting us for a long time (still to this day) and that we have a broken trade system but like I said - this ain't it jack. i give trump credit for bringing this issue to the forefront but it ends there.

i guess we'll see though, won't we? maybe trump will change tariff policy bigly tomorrow or the next day only to switch it up again the following week. :rolleyes: no one here can plan around this chaos. [URL="https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-11-25/card/jd-com-pledges-27-billion-to-help-chinese-exporters-7mrc8ASFaJXeuk3PFn0O"]meanwhile china is making moves mobilizing their industry in full force in order to weather this storm.[/URL]

nonetheless, just wait until the price increases hit and trump's poll numbers plummet. it'll be interesting to see what route gets taken then.

like i said - this so called policy isn't what you're wishing it were. either that or you're confused or in denial about it. frankly it sounds to me like you're suffering from a mild case of trump enslavement syndrome here, with all due respect brother.[/QUOTE]

Trump is just a clueless ping-pong ball between his dumbass advisers.. "Art of the deal" :facepalm

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/1k2k0vt/wsj_exclusive_trump_advisers_took_advantage_of/[/url]

Dementia Donny does what his handlers tell him. Is anyone tired of the :winning" so far? It just begun...

[QUOTE=Baller234;14993598]Why shouldn't his voters give him the benefit of the doubt? It's why they voted for him. They wanted him to be a tough negotiator.

I don't really think Trump has to worry about poll numbers. He's been defying the odds and proving polls wrong his entire career. He also knows the democrats are insanely weak right now too so he has way more room to move and fukk up.

In short, the sky would have to be falling in order for the people to abandon Trump. When the average person is really feeling it. The detractors smell blood so they are going to try and craft this narrative that the sky IS falling, but in reality we're in the same boat we've been in.[/QUOTE]
You should have never come back. :facepalm

[video=youtube_share;XJz1IJ-ONL0]https://youtu.be/XJz1IJ-ONL0?list=RDXJz1IJ-ONL0[/video]

[QUOTE=diamenz;14993528]dude you just seem to be very overly optimistic about all of this while the reality is this tariff implementation is sloppy, uncalculated and unpredictable. one minute they're on then they're off, they're at a set percentage and then they're not, no exemptions oh no but wait these exemptions. there's zero stability. trump's basically just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. what are we trying to accomplish here? if the trump administration would take a breath and put together a targeted and intelligent plan to bring back specific manufacturing industries then i'd be all for it because there's no doubt and I fully acknowledge that trade agreements, nafta in particular have been hurting us for a long time (still to this day) and that we have a broken trade system but like I said - this ain't it jack. i give trump credit for bringing this issue to the forefront but it ends there.

i guess we'll see though, won't we? maybe trump will change tariff policy bigly tomorrow or the next day only to switch it up again the following week. :rolleyes: no one here can plan around this chaos. [URL="https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-11-25/card/jd-com-pledges-27-billion-to-help-chinese-exporters-7mrc8ASFaJXeuk3PFn0O"]meanwhile china is making moves mobilizing their industry in full force in order to weather this storm.[/URL]

nonetheless, just wait until the price increases hit and trump's poll numbers plummet. it'll be interesting to see what route gets taken then.

like i said - this so called policy isn't what you're wishing it were. either that or you're confused or in denial about it. frankly it sounds to me like you're suffering from a mild case of trump enslavement syndrome here, with all due respect brother.[/QUOTE]

I don't think I've been super positive about anything, my angle into this thread was simply to call out people for doomerism 2 weeks into like a 20 year project. I do see it as a positive that they lowered tariffs to 10% for countries willing to negotiate a new trade deal and if it was reported in the media as a positive gesture instead of them being unpredictable and cHaOs, most people would see it that way too.

It's easy to only focus on the short term negatives as they're mentioned over and over in the media and always short sighted. Getting general inflation down will help make up for any potential price hike caused by tariffs. E.g "oh car prices are about to jump", but if gas prices are 20% lower for the duration you have the car than they otherwise would've been, how much more expensive will your car really be? There's absolutely no mentioned or talk about these kind of positives, only the negatives.

For the rest, I don't think I have much more to say than what Baller already said.

I'll ask again though, what's the reason blanket [I]and[/I] specialized tariffs work for a union like the EU, but will cause an economic destruction of the US? Is there any other reason than "I don't trust Trump" to be the one to do it"?

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]I don't think I've been super positive about anything, my angle into this thread was simply to call out people for doomerism 2 weeks into like a 20 year project. I do see it as a positive that they lowered tariffs to 10% for countries willing to negotiate a new trade deal and if it was reported in the media as a positive gesture instead of them being unpredictable and cHaOs, most people would see it that way too.

It's easy to only focus on the short term negatives as they're mentioned over and over in the media and always short sighted. Getting general inflation down will help make up for any potential price hike caused by tariffs. E.g "oh car prices are about to jump", but if gas prices are 20% lower for the duration you have the car than they otherwise would've been, how much more expensive will your car really be? There's absolutely no mentioned or talk about these kind of positives, only the negatives.

For the rest, I don't think I have much more to say than what Baller already said.

I'll ask again though, what's the reason blanket [I]and[/I] specialized tariffs work for a union like the EU, but will cause an economic destruction of the US? Is there any other reason than "I don't trust Trump" to be the one to do it"?[/QUOTE]

Trump and his goofy economic policy team are the reason. EU imposes its own tariffs and has its own trade agreements like most nations have, including the US. What the EU doesn't have is an idiot who rips up agreements overnight and does whatever he feels like. He doesn't even understand how tariffs and the economy work in general, and there is no greater example than him attacking Powell for refusing to cut interest rates. A move that would bring about the exact opposite effect of what you want and increase inflation.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]doomerism 2 weeks into like a 20 year project. I do see it as a positive that they lowered tariffs to 10% for countries willing to negotiate a new trade deal and if it was reported in the media as a positive gesture instead of them being unpredictable and cHaOs, most people would see it that way too.

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two weeks into a twenty year project... we'll sure see about that. in addition to the question of it's longevity, we'll see if trump and his advisors can adapt and react the way baller321 claims they can. the way the tariffs are layed out now isn't sustainable in the long run and any "short term" pain is going to be a hell of an understatement for those barely making ends in both their personal and small businesses. prices are going to *ucking skyrocket, particularly out of china. gonna be very interesting to see where all of this goes (no sarcasm).

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]It's easy to only focus on the short term negatives as they're mentioned over and over in the media and always short sighted. Getting general inflation down will help make up for any potential price hike caused by tariffs. E.g "oh car prices are about to jump", but if gas prices are 20% lower for the duration you have the car than they otherwise would've been, how much more expensive will your car really be? There's absolutely no mentioned or talk about these kind of positives, only the negatives. [/QUOTE]

there's too many variables at play here to make such a generalized statement. one major turn of events would be trump taking us to war with iran. then those gas prices you speak of will be no *ucking joke. you're gonna see more bikes than cars out there on the streets if that's ends up being the case.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]I'll ask again though, what's the reason blanket [I]and[/I] specialized tariffs work for a union like the EU, but will cause an economic destruction of the US? Is there any other reason than "I don't trust Trump" to be the one to do it"?[/QUOTE]

i can't tell you why. you tell me bro (again, no sarcasm or passive aggressiveness here). but it's not only just 'i don't trust trump' - it's that i don't trust [I]any [/I]moth3r****er - especially the mf'ers in washington whomever they may be. everybody's either influenced by ideologies and ego or bought off by somebody or something but i hope for everybody's sake you and anyone else putting stock into this endeavor ends up being right.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]I don't think I've been super positive about anything, my angle into this thread was simply to call out people for doomerism 2 weeks into like a 20 year project. I do see it as a positive that they lowered tariffs to 10% for countries willing to negotiate a new trade deal and if it was reported in the media as a positive gesture instead of them being unpredictable and cHaOs, most people would see it that way too.

It's easy to only focus on the short term negatives as they're mentioned over and over in the media and always short sighted. Getting general inflation down will help make up for any potential price hike caused by tariffs. E.g "oh car prices are about to jump", but if gas prices are 20% lower for the duration you have the car than they otherwise would've been, how much more expensive will your car really be? There's absolutely no mentioned or talk about these kind of positives, only the negatives.

For the rest, I don't think I have much more to say than what Baller already said.

I'll ask again though, what's the reason blanket [I]and[/I] specialized tariffs work for a union like the EU, but will cause an economic destruction of the US? Is there any other reason than "I don't trust Trump" to be the one to do it"?[/QUOTE]

you're so fvcking stupid lmao.

Anyone with half a brain can see that tariffs alone won't bring back manufacturers, that's a half assed solution. On top of that, we have full blown austerity by the federal government when you have to heavily invest in a reindustrialization program to bring back jobs...instead jobs and programs are being slashed so that Trump and his oligarch robber barons can justify yet another tax cut for themselves.

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