when are we getting our billions back from the welfare whores in ukraine and israel?

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15027651]Some perhaps. Many are island nations that have no business even being mentioned in this thread.

By why would that matter in this discussion?[/QUOTE]

Because Israel and only Israel is being criticized for being an ethnostate?

Which again is weird considering it's more diverse population compared to those same countries.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027653]Because Israel and only Israel is being criticized for being an ethnostate?

Which again is weird considering it's more diverse population compared to those same countries.[/QUOTE]

How much money do we give to China or Somalia? How many Chinese or Somalian lobbies are there in the US and how many federal policies and actions are being acted out in their interest? Maybe some research funding here and there. Pennies on the dollar in comparison.

Yes, the Israel actions can certainly be criticized but the real criticism and discussion here is about our own government being complicit and often straight-up funding these actions.

You see the difference? Other countries do it too, sure. But that's not at all relevant to the topic so why would it be mentioned? It's just a whataboutism..per usual.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15027655]How much money do we give to China or Somalia? How many Chinese or Somalian lobbies are there in the US and how many federal policies and actions are being acted out in their interest? Maybe some research funding here and there. Pennies on the dollar in comparison.

Yes, the Israel actions can certainly be criticized but the real criticism and discussion here is about our own government being complicit and often straight-up funding these actions.

You see the difference? Other countries do it too, sure. But that's not at all relevant to the topic so why would it be mentioned? It's just a whataboutism..per usual.[/QUOTE]

You're aware that Tim Walz who was almost our VP is on record as having visited China over 30 times right? You don't think China has it's hooks in our government just like every other powerful nation? When Covid was happening, the democratic party tried to silence anyone who even DARED to suggest that China was behind it. Why is that?

And Somalia? Are you kidding? We have somalian members of congress who publicly declare their loyalty to Somalia over America. They get treated like rock stars and grace magazine covers. As we speak there is basically a somalian takeover happening in Minnesota.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027668]You're aware that Tim Walz who was almost our VP is on record as having visited China over 30 times right? You don't think China has it's hooks in our government just like every other powerful nation? When Covid was happening, the democratic party tried to silence anyone who even DARED to suggest that China was behind it. Why is that?

And Somalia? Are you kidding? We have somalian members of congress who publicly declare their loyalty to Somalia over America. They get treated like rock stars and grace magazine covers. As we speak there is basically a somalian takeover happening in Minnesota.[/QUOTE]

What purposes are those for?

90%+ of our expenditures in China are for research programs. Given the nature of how Covid started (or at least presumed), you could see why there might be some quiet folks on that.

90%+ of the aid given to Somalia is purely for humanitarian relief.

Complete apples and oranges. Also, again...pennies on the dollar. Or in the case of the "Somali takeover"..a drop in the bucket comparatively.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15027669]What purposes are those for?

90%+ of our expenditures in China are for research programs. Given the nature of how Covid started (or at least presumed), you could see why there might be some quiet folks on that.

90%+ of the aid given to Somalia is purely for humanitarian relief.

Complete apples and oranges. Also, again...pennies on the dollar. Or in the case of the "Somali takeover"..a drop in the bucket comparatively.[/QUOTE]

Apples and oranges? China didn't have a hand in Covid? There weren't people in our own government conspiring with them?

Okay if that wasn't the case, why did the democrats do everything they could to divert attention away from the "lab leak" theory? How come we were expected to buy the bat soup narrative?

Covid wasn't something that had major implications on govt policy and the world at large?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027673]Apples and oranges? China didn't have a hand in Covid? There weren't people in our own government conspiring with them?

Okay if that wasn't the case, why did the democrats do everything they could to divert attention away from the "lab leak" theory? How come we were expected to buy the bat soup narrative?

[B]Covid wasn't something that had major implications on govt policy and the world at large?[/B][/QUOTE]

Sure it did. You'd have to believe that that was the intent though. I don't.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15027676]Sure it did. You'd have to believe that that was the intent though. I don't.[/QUOTE]

You don't think it was all intentional? The virus? The lockdowns? The policies? The media narratives? The voting by mail? :oldlol:

Either you believe the virus was man made and leaked intentionally, or you believe it was a once in a lifetime plague that came from a bat. If you believe it's the former, then best believe there was intent behind it.

I don't know how anyone could live through 2020-2021 and not walk away thinking that China had tremendous influence over our government.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027677]You don't think it was all intentional? The virus? The lockdowns? The policies? The media narratives? The voting by mail? :oldlol:

Either you believe the virus was man made and leaked intentionally, or you believe it was a once in a lifetime plague that came from a bat. If you believe it's the former, then best believe there was intent behind it.

I don't know how anyone could live through 2020-2021 and not walk away thinking that China had tremendous influence over our government.[/QUOTE]

So I'll just throw aside how the conversation has been diverted from US foreign aid differences between China and Israel (which are vast).

You clearly don't know anything about virology. Yes, it is possible that a once in a lifetime plague came from an animal. The fact that you think this is some crazy hypothesis shows truly how much you know. It's happened plenty of times before and the last time it happened, even if you don't believe this was the case for Covid, will likely not be the last. A majority of wide-spread infectious diseases in humans come from animals.

For the sake of the argument though, let's rule that "crazy" idea out though and assume (again..purely for the sake of this argument) that it did in fact begin in a lab. You think it's more likely that the US was conspiring with China to release a deadly pandemic to shut down the world than simply a gain-of-function study on a previous strand of coronavirus gone wrong?

And you ask why would the left-wing politicians in the US try to cover it up? Plenty of reasons. My best guess though would be so as to not create even further distrust among the right-wing population in scientific methods, as this is a big point for the democratic side. That and a little dash of protecting the reputations of those involved. If this were the case would it be shady? For sure. But a far cry from spending money and acting intentionally to further China's interests and standing.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15027686]So I'll just throw aside how the conversation has been diverted from US foreign aid differences between China and Israel (which are vast).

You clearly don't know anything about virology. Yes, it is possible that a once in a lifetime plague came from an animal. The fact that you think this is some crazy hypothesis shows truly how much you know. It's happened plenty of times before and the last time it happened, even if you don't believe this was the case for Covid, will likely not be the last. A majority of majorly infectious diseases come from animals.

For the sake of the argument though, let's rule that "crazy" idea though out and assume (purely for the sake of this argument) that it did in fact begin in a lab. You think it's more likely that the US was conspiring with China to release a deadly pandemic to shut down the world than simply a gain-of-function study on a previous strand of coronavirus gone wrong?

And you ask why would the left-wing politicians in the US try to cover it up? Plenty of reasons. My best guess though would be so as to not create even further distrust among the right-wing population in scientific methods, as this is a big point for the democratic side. That and a little dash of protecting the reputations of those involved. If this were the case would it be shady? For sure. But a far cry from spending money and acting intentionally to further China's interests and standing.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Say no more.

Let me guess, you're vaccinated.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027687]:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Say no more.

Let me guess, you're vaccinated.[/QUOTE]

I don't need to guess that you know absolutely nothing about the subject. That much is clear.

It's weird to be so seemingly factually convinced about something you know nothing about. Seems like all of your information comes from politics. That's a choice I guess..

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15027689]I don't need to guess that you know absolutely nothing about the subject. That much is clear.

It's weird to be so seemingly factually convinced about something you know nothing about. Seems like all of your information comes from politics. That's a choice I guess..[/QUOTE]

So you're vaccinated then.

How many times? 2x? 4x?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15027690]So you're vaccinated then.

How many times? 2x? 4x?[/QUOTE]

2.

Sweet deflection though :lol

Your misplaced clowning isn't going to save you from your ignorance on the subject.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15027692]2.

Sweet deflection though :lol

Your misplaced clowning isn't going to save you from your ignorance on the subject.[/QUOTE]

Guy who's twice vaccinated and thinks Covid came from bat soup is calling someone else ignorant.

:oldlol:

I know it's only one sentence but it's so stupid that I'll break it down :lol

[QUOTE]Guy who's twice vaccinated[/QUOTE]

Worked in healthcare at the time and it was required (microbiology major, and yes..virology is a part of that). I wasn't particularly thrilled about it but wasn't upset either. Just a neutral thing that I did so that I could continue working in the field I was in. Not really much else to it :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]thinks Covid came from bat soup[/QUOTE]

When did I say that? Once again you're employing strawmen and letting your assumptions get the better of you because..well I'm not really sure.

And the fact that you're so clueless on this subject makes it particularly cringe. Try a little harder. Or don't. Don't really give a shit.