Democrats going to shutdown the government out of spite

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15037303]You sound like TheAlwaysWrongMan where you don't have any wins in the present and is instead left with fantasizing about the future, trying to get your win ahead of time. Remember how not too long ago you were so sure that Trump would go to jail and definitely never become President again?
The left is going to have a historic win in just 3 years while your party is in demise is quite unrealistic when the border isn't opening again for new voters and so many of the ones you've let in over the last years will have been deported by ICE instead of having received amnesty for crossing the border illegally and become US citizens.[/QUOTE]

Remember how 2018, 2020 and 2022 went? I expect the same this time around.

Too many people decided not to vote in 2024, and I hope Democrats learned from putting forth an incompetent candidate like Harris. Much like 2016, independents are turning on Trump. The Trump administration better push for everything they want right now for policy while they still have both houses of Congress, including making it tougher to vote, activating insurrection act and getting rid of mail-in-ballots.

Whoever runs for president in 2028 on the Republican side will have to distance themselves from Trump.

P.S. Show me proof that illegals have been voting in huge numbers or even significant numbers. I will wait. I don't think you understand the process of becoming an US Citizen.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15037011]Obama: "You'll get to keep your doctor"[/QUOTE]

Trump: "I need to inspect Miss Teen USA changing rooms"

[QUOTE=bladefd;15037420]Remember how 2018, 2020 and 2022 went? I expect the same this time around.

Too many people decided not to vote in 2024, and I hope Democrats learned from putting forth an incompetent candidate like Harris. Much like 2016, independents are turning on Trump. The Trump administration better push for everything they want right now for policy while they still have both houses of Congress, including making it tougher to vote, activating insurrection act and getting rid of mail-in-ballots.

Whoever runs for president in 2028 on the Republican side will have to distance themselves from Trump.

P.S. Show me proof that illegals have been voting in huge numbers or even significant numbers. I will wait. I don't think you understand the process of becoming an US Citizen.[/QUOTE]

There's 14 states and D.C that don't require photo ID to vote and they're all Blue states.

Why you think only Blue states do this, Blade? What would be the main purpose for Dems wanting it like that?

[QUOTE=bladefd;15037004]You don't support deficit but have yet to say whether you support the historic taxcuts for the rich or not.

The reason for these social cuts is due in significant part to paying for the taxcuts. The way to balance the deficit is by cutting the excess AND not slashing the revenue. By cutting taxes, that lowers the revenue, so the cuts have to be even greater to balance the books. And even with the cuts, it won't make up for the revenue lost from taxcuts.

And it primarily impacts the poor and middle-class here. How can you justify that?[/QUOTE]

These tax cuts are keeping the same tax rate as ALL taxpayers have enjoyed over the past 8 years. If these tax cuts are allowed to expire, the DEMs would be the first to frame it as Republicans making taxes go up (just like the framing of the not extending the temporary covid aca extensions as cutting health care).

I do not support no taxes on tips or overtime or increase in senior exemption - they are just for getting votes. The overall (covering EVERYONE - not just the rich) tax cuts I would put in another category they are credited with supposedly helping the economy in Trump's 1st term. On the assumption that they will help similarly in his 2nd term, I'm ok with change in tax policy (see my previous statement about decision on how to spend money is winning elections) - that is EASILY changed by 51 senators/reconciliation of whichever party is in power.

ACA subsidy extension is an INSIDIOUS, PERMANENT EXPANSION of yet another social program that is IMPOSSIBLE to take back once people get used to money from the government. It is a totally different animal than tax policy. It is because of these social programs - Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, ACA that have grown and grown and have become untouchable holy grails and will only increase our debt - that is where the majority of money is spent.

Raise SS/Medicare age (for younger people), uncap SS income limit, invest SS/Medicare funds in S&P 500 low cost index funds, return to pre-covid government spending (get rid of all covid special funding), institute the DOGE cuts especially foreign aid, return Medicaid to its original intent (for children, pregnant women, disabled, elderly with income limits).

Given the choice between Democrats and Republicans, who do you think will spend MORE and increase yet more government spending on [B]PERMANENT[/B] social programs (instead of [B]EASILY CHANGEABLE[/B] tax policy). Why do you think Biden's administration/Democrats' 2020-24 did not UNDO Trump's tax cuts and [B]raise taxes on the rich[/B] way up? (many of your dream wish) but instead chose increasing ACA subsidies.

[QUOTE=bladefd;15037420]Too many people decided not to vote in 2024, and I hope Democrats learned from putting forth an incompetent candidate like Harris. Much like 2016, independents are turning on Trump. The Trump administration better push for everything they want right now for policy while they still have both houses of Congress, including making it tougher to vote, activating insurrection act and getting rid of mail-in-ballots.

Whoever runs for president in 2028 on the Republican side will have to distance themselves from Trump.[/QUOTE]

You guys said the same thing this last election, that the right was turning on Trump. You were saying this all the way up until the election. Was there a single lefty on this forum who predicted that Trump would win in a dominant landslide?

And now you want to make predictions three years out?

Can you tell us who's going to win the NBA finals too? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037435]There's 14 states and D.C that don't require photo ID to vote and they're all Blue states.

Why you think only Blue states do this, Blade? What would be the main purpose for Dems wanting it like that?[/QUOTE]

Do you have proof that illegals voted in significant numbers?

[QUOTE=rmt;15037479]These tax cuts are keeping the same tax rate as ALL taxpayers have enjoyed over the past 8 years. If these tax cuts are allowed to expire, the DEMs would be the first to frame it as Republicans making taxes go up (just like the framing of the not extending the temporary covid aca extensions as cutting health care).

I do not support no taxes on tips or overtime or increase in senior exemption - they are just for getting votes. The overall (covering EVERYONE - not just the rich) tax cuts I would put in another category they are credited with supposedly helping the economy in Trump's 1st term. On the assumption that they will help similarly in his 2nd term, I'm ok with change in tax policy (see my previous statement about decision on how to spend money is winning elections) - that is EASILY changed by 51 senators/reconciliation of whichever party is in power.

ACA subsidy extension is an INSIDIOUS, PERMANENT EXPANSION of yet another social program that is IMPOSSIBLE to take back once people get used to money from the government. It is a totally different animal than tax policy. It is because of these social programs - Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, ACA that have grown and grown and have become untouchable holy grails and will only increase our debt - that is where the majority of money is spent.

Raise SS/Medicare age (for younger people), uncap SS income limit, invest SS/Medicare funds in S&P 500 low cost index funds, return to pre-covid government spending (get rid of all covid special funding), institute the DOGE cuts especially foreign aid, return Medicaid to its original intent (for children, pregnant women, disabled, elderly with income limits).

Given the choice between Democrats and Republicans, who do you think will spend MORE and increase yet more government spending on [B]PERMANENT[/B] social programs (instead of [B]EASILY CHANGEABLE[/B] tax policy). Why do you think Biden's administration/Democrats' 2020-24 did not UNDO Trump's tax cuts and [B]raise taxes on the rich[/B] way up? (many of your dream wish) but instead chose increasing ACA subsidies.[/QUOTE]

What is the need for additional taxcuts other than to fill the overflowing pockets of the rich? Taxcuts remove a large portion of the revenue as well, which requires bigger cuts to account for. Do you believe everyone, from the person making a billion in income annually to the person making 30k annually, should pay the same tax rate?

The reason that Republicans use for social cuts, including ACA, is fiscal responsibility. Does fiscal responsibility only apply to programs meant to help the poor/middle-class and not for taxcuts for the rich? I want you on the record here.

As for your last point, I give you this quote:
[QUOTE=j3lademaster]Of the last 16 presidents, 8 have been republican and 8 dem. The only republican to leave office with a smaller deficit than when they came in is Eisenhower. Yes, its a phenomenon we havent seen in 60 years. Bush had record spending, but in Trump’s defense Bush had 2 terms to do it. Trump is a “hold my beer” level federal spender, so when FISCAL CONSERVATIVES vote for these guys I’m thoroughly confused.[/QUOTE]

Why do we need gazillion bases around the world? Why are we still in Germany? How about we bring down the military budget to 600bn rather than raise it to a trillion? Do we really need so many redundant intelligence agencies and bases everywhere? There are so many other potential areas for these cuts that don't hamper social programs.

[QUOTE=bladefd;15037490]Do you have proof that illegals voted in significant numbers?[/QUOTE]

He believes everything Trump says. His word is the ultimate proof.

[QUOTE=bladefd;15037490]Do you have proof that illegals voted in significant numbers?[/QUOTE]

Don't duck my question like you've done in other threads.... why such a fight for no ID required?

Today will be the 8th vote, will Chuck continue to tell his cult Dems to vote no? Continue to chose politics over the people?

[QUOTE=bladefd;15037492]What is the need for additional taxcuts other than to fill the overflowing pockets of the rich? Taxcuts remove a large portion of the revenue as well, which requires bigger cuts to account for. Do you believe everyone, from the person making a billion in income annually to the person making 30k annually, should pay the same tax rate?

The reason that Republicans use for social cuts, including ACA, is fiscal responsibility. Does fiscal responsibility only apply to programs meant to help the poor/middle-class and not for taxcuts for the rich? I want you on the record here.

As for your last point, I give you this quote:


Why do we need gazillion bases around the world? Why are we still in Germany? How about we bring down the military budget to 600bn rather than raise it to a trillion? Do we really need so many redundant intelligence agencies and bases everywhere? There are so many other potential areas for these cuts that don't hamper social programs.[/QUOTE]

As far as I understand, the tax cut rates CONTINUE at the same rate of the past 8 years and not extending them will result in Dems vilifying Repubs as raising taxes. I notice you did not address my question as to why Biden/Dems did not revoke these tax cuts when they were in power if they are so OBNOXIOUS to Dems.

This is the text of the Tax and Spending Clause in the Constitution:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to [B]pay the Debts[/B] and provide for the [B]common Defense[/B] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Debts and Defense are [B][U]SPECIFICALLY[/U][/B] mentioned in the Constitution. SS/Medicare/Medicaid would fall under "general Welfare" - established in 1935 and 1965. So, for 159 years and 189 years of this country's history, they did not exist. Now (in a [B]very short 60 years[/B]) they consume 49% (+10% more if you include Income Security (SNAP)) - for a total of [B][U]59% of the budget compared to defense's 13%[/U][/B]. At this rate, how much are these social programs going to consume over the next 60 years? They will only consume a bigger and bigger percent of the budget.

U.S. Government Spending, FYTD 2025
Top 10 Spending by Category and Agency
[B]22 % Social Security[/B]
[B]14 % Medicare[/B]
14 % Net Interest
[B]13 % Health[/B]
13 % National Defense
[B]10 % Income Security[/B]
5 % Veterans Benefits and Services
[B]3[/B] % Education, Training, Employment, and [B]Social Services[/B]
2 % Transportation
1 % Natural Resources and Environment
3 % Other

** Income Security in the federal budget refers to government programs and tax credits that provide assistance to individuals and families to help with basic needs, especially those who are unemployed, disabled, or have low incomes. This budget function includes a wide range of programs such as unemployment compensation, housing assistance, nutritional aid (like [B]SNAP[/B]), and retirement and disability benefits for federal employees. It also includes refundable tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit and the Child Tax Credit.

[QUOTE=bladefd;15037420]Remember how 2018, 2020 and 2022 went? I expect the same this time around.

Too many people decided not to vote in 2024, and I hope Democrats learned from putting forth an incompetent candidate like Harris. Much like 2016, independents are turning on Trump. The Trump administration better push for everything they want right now for policy while they still have both houses of Congress, including making it tougher to vote, activating insurrection act and getting rid of mail-in-ballots.

Whoever runs for president in 2028 on the Republican side will have to distance themselves from Trump.

P.S. Show me proof that illegals have been voting in huge numbers or even significant numbers. I will wait. I don't think you understand the process of becoming an US Citizen.[/QUOTE]

All those illegal immigrants counting towards the census for dem congress seats and their would've been anchor babies turning into future dem voters, gone.

Nobody knows how many illegals vote in various blue states that does absolutely nothing to prevent them from doing so. All we know is they make rules to actively prevent that anyone has to identify themselves as a US citizen before voting. The data of who voted and their SS numbers sits with the states, Trump admin has been requesting it to investigate but the states are denying them the information.

[QUOTE]The confrontation over access to voter data is likely to end up in court. The Justice Department opted to sue Orange County, California, as part of a federal probe into alleged non-citizen voting. Orange County officials have so far declined to share the individuals personal information with DOJ without a court order.[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/01/politics/trump-voter-demands-social-security"]https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/01/politics/trump-voter-demands-social-security[/URL]

Love all your corny "Trump admin better be shaking in their boots because bla bla bla", you've been spouting the exact same crap for years.

Future dem voters jumping the border are being deported and the actual US dems tell each other not to have kids because of "climate and an unsafe world". Rough times for the party of hate.

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Crickets from blade and Real Men Love Illegals.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037549]Crickets from blade and Real Men Love Illegals.[/QUOTE]
If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't want to be getting into a losing argument about Trump's illegal immigrant voting bs. The factual statistics on illegal voting show that it just isn't a problem. It's all about Trump's inability to accept that he lost in 2020 and you being the eternal sucker that you are believe him but there's no factual basis to any of it.

Trump just sent 20 billion dollars to Argentina. America First? Deficit spending? Sometimes these things matter and sometimes they don't, apparently.