Micheal Jordan Denial

[QUOTE=haterofhaters]maybe 20-30 years from now when the new kids coming up didn't witness him first hand. But even then, there would still be people around to put them in their place. And it will always be generally understood, no matter who passes him statistically, nobody will ever do for the game what Jordan did.[/QUOTE]
There are still a number of people out there who swear by Chamberlain or Russell as the best players of all time (and there are actually a good number of them). The thing is most of the people here grew up witnessing Michael Jordan in his prime (and a vast majority didn't watch Jordan go through his growing pains as a me first type of player in the 80s), how is that sufficient evidence to be the undisputed greatest player of all time. What happens if Lebron all of a sudden wins 3 or 4 titles in a 6 year span in the next decade and possibly averages a triple double in one (or more) of those seasons. Are you saying that he wouldn't be touted as the best player ever. I'm sure people will still mention Jordan, but his backing would get significantly quieter.

[QUOTE=steve]There are still a number of people out there who swear by Chamberlain or Russell as the best players of all time (and there are actually a good number of them). The thing is most of the people here grew up witnessing Michael Jordan in his prime (and a vast majority didn't watch Jordan go through his growing pains as a me first type of player in the 80s), how is that sufficient evidence to be the undisputed greatest player of all time. What happens if Lebron all of a sudden wins 3 or 4 titles in a 6 year span in the next decade and possibly averages a triple double in one (or more) of those seasons. Are you saying that he wouldn't be touted as the best player ever. I'm sure people will still mention Jordan, but his backing would get significantly quieter.[/QUOTE]
THe argument is not about the future. If Lebron or someone else has the credentials, scoring titles, nba titles, league mvp's etc.. to match Jordan, then the discussion can begin. That's not to say that it can never happen, but it hasn't so nobody is better, not lebron, not kobe..

[QUOTE=haterofhaters]THe argument is not about the future. If Lebron or someone else has the credentials, scoring titles, nba titles, league mvp's etc.. to match Jordan, then the discussion can begin. That's not to say that it can never happen, but it hasn't so nobody is better, not lebron, not kobe..[/QUOTE]
My initial argument wasn't even about the future though, it was mainly stating that you can only judge Jordan against his era and it's impossible to qualify him as the greatest of all time.

[QUOTE=steve]My initial argument wasn't even about the future though, it was mainly stating that you can only judge Jordan against his era and it's impossible to qualify him as the greatest of all time.[/QUOTE]
So basically you're saying that nobody can be called the greatest of all time in any circumstance in any sport unless they could go back in time and play previous eras, and stay in the sport forever and play the current eras?

lol at michael jordan being a dwade in todays game.

He played in an era where more physical defense was played and you dont get fouled just cuz u got touched. He is like dwade but faster like d wade drives to the hoop not to get fouled but to make it in. defense of a bowen. vision of a lebron. hops of a carter. winner of a michael.

[QUOTE=haterofhaters]So basically you're saying that nobody can be called the greatest of all time in any circumstance in any sport unless they could go back in time and play previous eras, and stay in the sport forever and play the current eras?[/QUOTE]
No, I'm saying it will always be open for debate.

[QUOTE=steve]No, I'm saying it will always be open for debate.[/QUOTE]
why debate something without the intention of having a conclusive answer?

[QUOTE=haterofhaters]why debate something without the intention of having a conclusive answer?[/QUOTE]
Aren't people still debating the existence of God?

[QUOTE=kumquat]Ricky Davis is already better than him.[/QUOTE]

at ruining a team's chemistry?

[QUOTE=steve]Aren't people still debating the existence of God?[/QUOTE]
lol. tell me how you're trying to compare faith to basketball. They aren't even in the same league (no pun intended).

[QUOTE=falcon#5]Micheal Jordan was one of the greatest players to play the game but people are going to have to face it sooner or later that they're are players just as good as him if not better.

People are in denial and they will never let anyone be better than Micheal jordan people just wont accept it thats how it is.

People ride off other players before they have even compared them to him because they wont let anyone be better seriously think about it.

woRd OUT[/QUOTE]

Gosh, never knew that before. :)

[QUOTE=haterofhaters]lol. tell me how you're trying to compare faith to basketball. They aren't even in the same league (no pun intended).[/QUOTE]
The example is a bit extreme, but there's no definable answer there, but it hasn't stopped people from debating it. It's more imaginative and creative to debate something that doesn't have a definitive answer, at least to me anyway.

This thread is f*cking moronic. Jordan is quite possibly the GOAT, behind Wilt Chamberlain. Putting Wade in the same sentence as Jordan is a joke.

[QUOTE=Poseidon]I've said this once and I'll say it again....

Jordan = right place, right time

[B]He'd just be another great swingman had he played in today's game. Jordan would be grouped wirth Kobe, Wade, Iverson and McGrady (also maybe LeBron).

Also his stats would not be as inflated due to Zone defense, non-hand checking rule and better athletes in his position and in the league.[/B]

No more 50 point games againt the Craig Ehlo's or the Danny Ainge's or the Jeff Malone's of the world. He'll now be facing some real, athletic competition.

Also players like Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Josh Smith and about 10 others would put Jordan's "AIR" moniker to shame with their dunks compared the MJ's generic ones. He can kiss any Slam Dunk title away because he would NEVER win one in today's league.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

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You seriously need to stop posting. All I see you do is hate. Not to mention the fact that you're a complete jackass. I highlighted the spots where you are completely wrong. You think zone defense and better players would stop Jordan with his fade-a-way J's? Mmmmkay. And again, grouping Wade with Jordan is sig-worthy. Sorry, but Wade blows f*cking ass. Kill yourself, you seriously know nothing about basketball. What are you, 12? Have you even seen Jordan play a game?

[QUOTE=haterofhaters]So basically you're saying that nobody can be called the greatest of all time in any circumstance in any sport unless they could go back in time and play previous eras, and stay in the sport forever and play the current eras?[/QUOTE]

How the hell can you just flat out call Jordan the GOAT...No one is the clear cut GOAT.. What give Jordan the nod over Kareem, Magic, Bill Russel, Wilt etc... There really isnt much. People need to stop saying Jordan is the GOAT like it is a fact.