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[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Nah... they weren't injured. I've been watching the 88 series all week. Danny Ainge was injured, but that was it. The Big 3 were not injured. The Pistons were just a better team that year.[/QUOTE]
Yes they were, they just sucked it up and played, so it's not clearly observeable. I mean players back in the day are tougher than the players these days, who, you know, eat bad hamburger and get sick.
[QUOTE=nycelt84]Shaq didn't have 2 finals appearances in the 90's nor did Penny Hardaway. Chris Webber didn't have a breakout season until '99, and Alonzo Mourning's first great season was also '99 and that Iverson's first great season also.[/QUOTE]
i stand corrected on the finals appearances, however, i was replying to the assumption that players drafted in the 90s didnt have an immediate impact on the league similar to the players in the 80s. webber was widely regarded as one if the top pf in the league from from his rookie season. and he put up stats similar to barkleys if you account for pace. hardaway was one regarded as the next magic johnson and would have put up similar stats if he played in the faster tempo 80s. iverson never had a bad season from his rookie until now. and the fact is none of the 80s players won just like none of the 90s players, some were close, just like some were close in the 80s. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.
[QUOTE=BrianScalabrine]Yes they were, they just sucked it up and played, so it's not clearly observeable. I mean players back in the day are tougher than the players these days, who, you know, eat bad hamburger and get sick.[/QUOTE]
they may have had nagging injuries but all players are hurt in some way shape or form.
[QUOTE=BrianScalabrine]Yes they were, they just sucked it up and played, so it's not clearly observeable. I mean players back in the day are tougher than the players these days, who, you know, eat bad hamburger and get sick.[/QUOTE]
That's just an excuse. Nobody, except Ainge, was hurt until DJ hurt his back late in Game 5 and Robert Parish hurt his knee in Game 6. The Pistons were already way on their way by then. And Kevin Mchale actually had a pretty good series. The Celtics weren't hurt, they just got beat.
[QUOTE=Da_Realist]That's just an excuse. Nobody, except Ainge, was hurt until DJ hurt his back late in Game 5 and Robert Parish hurt his knee in Game 6. The Pistons were already way on their way by then. And Kevin Mchale actually had a pretty good series. The Celtics weren't hurt, they just got beat.[/QUOTE]
I agree '88 Pistons > '88 Celtics
But the Celtics were past their prime by '88. They relied to much on their starting 5 in the late 80's. They had no bench what so ever. That's one of the reasons they lost the '87 Finals because their lack of bench.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]i stand corrected on the finals appearances, however, i was replying to the assumption that players drafted in the 90s didnt have an immediate impact on the league similar to the players in the 80s. webber was widely regarded as one if the top pf in the league from from his rookie season. and he put up stats similar to barkleys if you account for pace. hardaway was one regarded as the next magic johnson and would have put up similar stats if he played in the faster tempo 80s. iverson never had a bad season from his rookie until now. and the fact is none of the 80s players won just like none of the 90s players, some were close, just like some were close in the 80s. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.[/QUOTE]
[B]To Compare Webber to Barkley is a disrespect to to Basketball. Thats like comparing Bryant to Jordan. This is what Barkley did to Webber:rolleyes: [/B]
[url]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cAdMW4Hi8yI[/url]
[B]And this is Charles in his 30s, he was no longer in his Physical Prime:) [/B]
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]I agree '88 Pistons > '88 Celtics
But the Celtics were past their prime by '88. They relied to much on their starting 5 in the late 80's. They had no bench what so ever. That's one of the reasons they lost the '87 Finals because their lack of bench.[/QUOTE]
im just curious, who on the 88 version of the celtics were past their prime?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]i stand corrected on the finals appearances, however, i was replying to the assumption that players drafted in the 90s didnt have an immediate impact on the league similar to the players in the 80s. webber was widely regarded as one if the top pf in the league from from his rookie season. and he put up stats similar to barkleys if you account for pace. hardaway was one regarded as the next magic johnson and would have put up similar stats if he played in the faster tempo 80s. iverson never had a bad season from his rookie until now. and the fact is none of the 80s players won just like none of the 90s players, some were close, just like some were close in the 80s. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.[/QUOTE]
You can chat all you want about how Webber and Hardaway having immediate impact impact on the NBA in the 90's but the truth is none of these players even come close to what Barkley, MJ, Hakeem did in the 80's.
Truth is Webber wasn't even an NBA All Star until his 4th season in the NBA. MJ, Hakeem, and Barkley were All NBA First team players by their 4th seasons.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]im just curious, who on the 88 version of the celtics were past their prime?[/QUOTE]
The Celtics as a TEAM were past their prime. They had no bench. Parish was getting old (34 yrs old in '88) as well as DJ (33 yrs old in '88).
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]You can chat all you want about how Webber and Hardaway having immediate impact impact on the NBA in the 90's but the truth is none of these players even come close to what Barkley, MJ, Hakeem did in the 80's.
Truth is Webber wasn't even an NBA All Star until his 4th season in the NBA. MJ, Hakeem, and Barkley were All NBA First team players by their 4th seasons.[/QUOTE]
[B]A Prime MJ, Charles, Hakeem in their 20s and early 30s today would be schooling the whole league in Scoring, Rebounding, Steals, Assists, Blocking Shots, with PERs and FG% that would be flying out of this forum:rolleyes: [/B]
[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]A Prime MJ, Charles, Hakeem in their 20s and early 30s today would be schooling the whole league in Scoring, Rebounding, Steals, Assists, Blocking Shots, with PERs and FG% that would be flying out of this forum:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
truthfully you guys are making my point for me especially 87 lakers about the dominance of . truth is jordan and company were dominating the 80s but could never win because they never had a team around them
[QUOTE=97 bulls]truthfully you guys are making my point for me especially 87 lakers about the dominance of . truth is jordan and company were dominating the 80s but could never win because they never had a team around them[/QUOTE]
Jordan got to the ECF in '89
Hakeem reahced the NBA Finals in '86
They could never win because they went up against the greatest teams in NBA History. '86 Celtics for Hakeem and '89 Pistons for MJ.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Jordan got to the ECF in '89
Hakeem reahced the NBA Finals in '86
They could never win because they went up against the greatest teams in NBA History. '86 Celtics for Hakeem and '89 Pistons for MJ.[/QUOTE]
like i said, if they had the team, it would be different
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Jordan got to the ECF in '89
Hakeem reahced the NBA Finals in '86
They could never win because they went up against the greatest teams in NBA History. '86 Celtics for Hakeem and '89 Pistons for MJ.[/QUOTE]
and jordan and olajuwan drug those teams to the finals and championships
[QUOTE=97 bulls]and jordan and olajuwan drug those teams to the finals and championships[/QUOTE]
Actually no. Go look at that '86 Rockets roster 1 more time please. You had Ralph Sampson who averaged 19 PPG and 11 RPG and also hit the game winning shot in Game 5 of the WCF. Lewis Lloyd was a player who averaged 17 PPG and shot 53% FG. Their Point Guard John Lucas avergaed 15.5 PPG and nearly 9 APG. After 1986 people predicted this team to be the best team in the West for years to come and they would have if it wasn't for all the drug problems that team faced.
And for the '89 Bulls you had solid young players Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.
And it's funny how you said...."truth is jordan and company were dominating the 80s [B]but could never win[/B] because they never had a team around them". And once I pointed out Hakeem was in the Finals in '86 and Jordan was in the ECF in '89 you changed to..."like i said, if they had the team, [B]it would be different[/B]."
Please stop talking out of your *** and think.