Printable View
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485098]Back then? Yes.
Now, not so much.
I mean was Pacquiao who was constantly bombarded by Mayweather for PED allegations never tested positive. Heck Floyd himself got caught with an illegal IV, and nothing happened. :lol[/QUOTE]
"Back then"? First you said that designer drugs were "always" ahead of testing, now late 00s/early 10s is suddenly "back then", when they weren't ahead?
Move them goal posts some more.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485132]Everything is speculative and subjective to what they are actually taking. Ephedra is on the banned substance list but people take pseudoephedrine in the common cold medication. Why hasn't there been any reported cases of steroid use in the NBA? In the age where IG and advantageous greedy people exist? Because there is no real cases. Kobe couldn't hide from a rape accusation. If athletes like Lebron were actually doing it they would have been outed a long time ago[/QUOTE]
As you said, everything is speculative and subjective.
Perhaps the NBA has more to lose if their cash cow gets outed. And what organization wants their rep damaged by blatant use of illegal substances if they can keep it under wraps?
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485132]Everything is speculative and subjective to what they are actually taking. Ephedra is on the banned substance list but people take pseudoephedrine in the common cold medication. Why hasn't there been any reported cases of steroid use in the NBA? In the age where IG and advantageous greedy people exist? Because there is no real cases. Kobe couldn't hide from a rape accusation. If athletes like Lebron were actually doing it they would have been outed a long time ago[/QUOTE]
:roll: Tell that to Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong etc. who went decades without being exposed.
[QUOTE=eliteballer;14485223]:roll: Tell that to Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong etc. who went decades without being exposed.[/QUOTE]
Did I call it or what? :roll:
Do you even know what they took? Tell me without googling. How long ago was that? Where are all the cases in the NBA, NHLand NFL?
Sit your ass down boy. You did everything I predicted you'd do.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485174]As you said, everything is speculative and subjective.
Perhaps the NBA has more to lose if their cash cow gets outed. And what organization wants their rep damaged by blatant use of illegal substances if they can keep it under wraps?[/QUOTE]
The thing is you can't. Not.in this day and age when they can unfold it years after. I've been in the offices LITERALLY when athletes got tested. They can random test at ANYTIME. There's so many things that are gray area that I can validate won't make you inhuman. But can appear on a test result and later thrown out.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485410]The thing is you can't. Not.in this day and age when they can unfold it years after. I've been in the offices LITERALLY when athletes got tested. They can random test at ANYTIME. There's so many things that are gray area that I can validate won't make you inhuman. But can appear on a test result and later thrown out.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes you can. Doesn't matter if you believe that or not. And you being in the offices doesn't change that fact despite your hard headedness. You are not in the board meetings.
Money and influence trumps testing all day everyday. Perhaps the powers at be got an argument with the athlete and decided to pull the plug.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485411]Oh yes you can. Doesn't matter if you believe that or not. And you being in the offices doesn't change that fact despite your hard headedness. You are not in the board meetings.
Money and influence trumps testing all day everyday. Perhaps the powers at be got an argument with the athlete and decided to pull the plug.[/QUOTE]
Are you speculating or speaking from experience? Because I sure ain't speculating. I can talk to trainers from pretty much any sports team and can confirm. You are just going by a hunch and what you read on the internet.
The funny thing about life is when you reveal the truth it's hard to accept when it's not their truth. Believe what you want. I know what I know. You're "theory" has no more validity than the existence of Big Foot
It's funny. When we had to put an informed choice certification on out labels, major league sports trainers had invested because they had to keep their tested athletes clean. But what do I know? A random poster on ISH has definitely more knowledge and experience than I do :lol
There's a cover up out there boys! But of the course the same logic does not apply to the reason Jordan retired!
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485170]"Back then"? First you said that designer drugs were "always" ahead of testing, now late 00s/early 10s is suddenly "back then", when they weren't ahead?
Move them goal posts some more.[/QUOTE]
I meant way back then. You seem to resort to semantics when you have no argument.
Fact of the matter is you have no proper argument against my example.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485419]Are you speculating or speaking from experience? Because I sure ain't speculating. I can talk to trainers from pretty much any sports team and can confirm. You are just going by a hunch and what you read on the internet.
The funny thing about life is when you reveal the truth it's hard to accept when it's not their truth. Believe what you want. I know what I know. You're "theory" has no more validity than the existence of Big Foot[/QUOTE]
Trainers aren't the ones who decide on those matters buddy.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485420]It's funny. When we had to put an informed choice certification on out labels, major league sports trainers had invested because they had to keep their tested athletes clean. But what do I know? A random poster on ISH has definitely more knowledge and experience than I do :lol[/QUOTE]
Yes because sports trainers don't mix the secret sauce.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485421]There's a cover up out there boys! But of the course the same logic does not apply to the reason Jordan retired![/QUOTE]
Meltdown. You are the one who bought Jordan into this. :roll:
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485439]I meant way back then. You seem to resort to semantics when you have no argument.
Fact of the matter is you have no proper argument against my example.[/QUOTE]
A guy who has no proof whatsoever other than hearsay and conjecture for his accusations entirely fueled by well-documented, subjective hatred for a person is talking about strength of arguments. Now that's something.
[IMG]https://i.redd.it/st5d99fsqg261.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485440]Trainers aren't the ones who decide on those matters buddy.
[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? Who do you think would get them steroids? Lol.
[QUOTE]Yes because sports trainers don't mix the secret sauce.[/QUOTE]
Did you just contradict what you just posted right before this? Trainers don't control what they take. But trainers mix their secret sauce. Which is it??? Lol
[QUOTE]Meltdown. You are the one who bought Jordan into this. :roll:[/QUOTE]
You missed the context in that. But then again your whole post is convoluted. But keep on theorizing!
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485442]A guy who has no proof whatsoever other than hearsay and conjecture for his accusations entirely fueled by well-documented, subjective hatred for a person is talking about strength of arguments. Now that's something.
[IMG]https://i.redd.it/st5d99fsqg261.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
False. I gave you the examples of Pacquiao and Mayweather. You have no proper response.
[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2563982-floyd-mayweather-reportedly-took-banned-ivs-prior-to-manny-pacquiao-fight[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/13621142/floyd-mayweather-took-wada-banned-iv-manny-pacquiao-fight-according-report[/url]
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/boxing/2015/09/09/floyd-mayweather-illegal-iv-injection-manny-pacquiao[/url]
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485439]I meant way back then. You seem to resort to semantics when you have no argument.
Fact of the matter is you have no proper argument against my example.[/QUOTE]
Yet you speculate without any real hard facts. What arguement do you have besides hearsay? Lol
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485442]A guy who has no proof whatsoever other than hearsay and conjecture for his accusations entirely fueled by well-documented, subjective hatred for a person is talking about strength of arguments. Now that's something.
[IMG]https://i.redd.it/st5d99fsqg261.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Lol, pretty much nailed it
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485446]False. I gave you the examples of Pacquiao and Mayweather. You have no proper response.
[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2563982-floyd-mayweather-reportedly-took-banned-ivs-prior-to-manny-pacquiao-fight[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/13621142/floyd-mayweather-took-wada-banned-iv-manny-pacquiao-fight-according-report[/url]
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/boxing/2015/09/09/floyd-mayweather-illegal-iv-injection-manny-pacquiao[/url][/QUOTE]
"Allegedly" took saline injections. Oooohhhh! Them drugs lolol.
A subjective take fueling your weak argument. You can probably find a news source saying Pacquiao was doping before the fights. But you're the expert with hard facts!
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485445]Are you serious? Who do you think would get them steroids? Lol.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say who gave them steroids. In fact I never even for once use the word steroids. You fail at reading comprehension. :lol
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485445] Did you just contradict what you just posted right before this? Trainers don't control what they take. But trainers mix their secret sauce. Which is it??? Lol[/QUOTE]
It's called sarcasm :lol
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485445] You missed the context in that. But then again your whole post is convoluted. But keep on theorizing![/QUOTE]
No need to theorize, your hatred for Jordan seeps through even if he isn't in the discussion.
Rent free. :lol
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485450]"Allegedly" took saline injections. Oooohhhh! Them drugs lolol.
A subjective take fueling your weak argument. You can probably find a news source saying Pacquiao was doping before the fights. But you're the expert with hard facts![/QUOTE]
Well I was actually expecting your ignorant response. How many ml's of saline solution did Floyd take?
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485446]False. I gave you the examples of Pacquiao and Mayweather. You have no proper response.
[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2563982-floyd-mayweather-reportedly-took-banned-ivs-prior-to-manny-pacquiao-fight[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/13621142/floyd-mayweather-took-wada-banned-iv-manny-pacquiao-fight-according-report[/url]
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/boxing/2015/09/09/floyd-mayweather-illegal-iv-injection-manny-pacquiao[/url][/QUOTE]
Those are your arguments?
Someone from another sport "reportedly" taking some substance and that somehow proves that LeBron (and not Durant, Curry, etc.) took that substance?
Okay, I will then accuse you of being a murderer.
I know that you are a murderer because one person somewhere in the world just committed murder and you are also a person capable of doing that.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485456]Those are your arguments?
Someone from another sport "reportedly" taking some substance and that somehow proves that LeBron (and not Durant, Curry, etc.) took that substance?
Okay, I will then accuse you of being a murderer.
I know that you are a murderer because one person somewhere in the world just committed murder and you are also a person capable of doing that.[/QUOTE]
Youre missing the entire point dumbass.
The fact that these top athletes were basically caught with their pants down with no repurcussions shows that it is highly probable that other athletes could do the same.
And did I say Curry and Durant aren't doing $+!t?
PEDron's unnatural longevity and detours to Miami are highly suspicious tho.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485453]I didn't say who gave them steroids. In fact I never even for once use the word steroids. You fail at reading comprehension. :lol
It's called sarcasm :lol
No need to theorize, your hatred for Jordan seeps through even if he isn't in the discussion.
Rent free. :lol[/QUOTE]
Riiigght. Keep deflecting buddy and find more "alleged" stories of PEDs.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485454]Well I was actually expecting your ignorant response. How many ml's of saline solution did Floyd take?[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what saline solution is?
Look at this fool backed in a corner grabbing for straws. You're getting unravelled bud. Sit your ass down .
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485458]Youre missing the entire point dumbass.
The fact that these top athletes were basically caught with their pants down with no repurcussions shows that it is highly probable that other athletes could do the same.
And did I say Curry and Durant aren't doing $+!t?
PEDron's unnatural longevity and detours to Miami are highly suspicious tho.[/QUOTE]
Where are these athletes caught with their pants down? Bonds taking Androstene? Armstrong blood doping? Other than that the door hasn't really been blown open other than MLB and a rogue group. And they got busted. But you're the expert! Keep standing on hypotheticals lolol
You also know what else keeps you young looking? A good diet. Regular exercise. Less stress. But an elite athletes like Lebron doesn't do any of that. Lol. But if you "allegedly" say so it's true!
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485458]Youre missing the entire point dumbass.
The fact that these top athletes were basically caught with their pants down with no repurcussions shows that it is highly probable that other athletes could do the same.
And did I say Curry and Durant aren't doing $+!t?
PEDron's unnatural longevity and detours to Miami are highly suspicious tho.[/QUOTE]
Yet for some reason you are accusing only LeBron, and not Durant, Curry, Jordan, Kobe, etc. I wonder why.
And your longevity-related argument is beyond idiotic considering that it has been scientifically proven that athletes who take steroids have an [I]increased[/I] risk of injury:
[URL="https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/nfl-players-who-use-steroids-have-m-2009-02-20/"]https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/nfl-players-who-use-steroids-have-m-2009-02-20/[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485456]Those are your arguments?
Someone from another sport "reportedly" taking some substance and that somehow proves that LeBron (and not Durant, Curry, etc.) took that substance?
Okay, I will then accuse you of being a murderer.
I know that you are a murderer because one person somewhere in the world just committed murder and you are also a person capable of doing that.[/QUOTE]
He's convinced me! I just have personal insight. He's got hearsay. A hunch definitely has more credibility than experience. Haha!
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485465]Yet for some reason you are accusing only LeBron, and not Durant, Curry, Jordan, Kobe, etc. I wonder why.
And your longevity-related argument is beyond idiotic considering that it has been scientifically proven that athletes who take steroids have an [I]increased[/I] risk of injury:
[URL="https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/nfl-players-who-use-steroids-have-m-2009-02-20/"]https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/nfl-players-who-use-steroids-have-m-2009-02-20/[/URL][/QUOTE]
He doesn't have a clue on PEDs. Half the things out there athletes get busted for are low level bullshit that gets thrown out anyways. Athletes get tested. ESPECIALLY the current IOC in which all basketball players are subject to. IOC is unbias and does not care who you are.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485467]He doesn't have a clue on PEDs. Half the things out there athletes get busted for are low level bullshit that gets thrown out anyways. Athletes get tested. ESPECIALLY the current IOC in which all basketball players are subject to. IOC is unbias and does not care who you are.[/QUOTE]
And on top of that basketball is one of the sports where steroids would be least helpful in comparison to other sports.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485468]And on top of that basketball is one of the sports where steroids would be least helpful in comparison to other sports.[/QUOTE]
Precisely. And to top it all off if Lebron was on PEDs wouldn't a fatass like Harden or a pinner like Durant be afforded the same luxury? They'd be shredded beasts. Lol, like PEDs are exclusive ONLY to Lebron. It simply is far fetched. Even IF Lebron was juicing he'd a normal sized edge rusher. He just happened to be gifted the ability to play basketball at an elite level. The disparity is obvious. A pinner like Greedy Williams would look like a jacked up freak in the NBA. He's definitely not juicing. Like I said, people don't have a clue. I'm literally in the industry and telling it like it is and people are still too boneheaded to accept the truth.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485462]Riiigght. Keep deflecting buddy and find more "alleged" stories of PEDs.[/QUOTE]
You said steroids. I said PEDS.
Are you retarded?
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485465]Yet for some reason you are accusing only LeBron, and not Durant, Curry, Jordan, Kobe, etc. I wonder why.
And your longevity-related argument is beyond idiotic considering that it has been scientifically proven that athletes who take steroids have an [I]increased[/I] risk of injury:
[URL="https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/nfl-players-who-use-steroids-have-m-2009-02-20/"]https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/nfl-players-who-use-steroids-have-m-2009-02-20/[/URL][/QUOTE]
That's how you are understanding the message.
Not my fault you get hurt when it pertains to PEDron. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485467]He doesn't have a clue on PEDs. Half the things out there athletes get busted for are low level bullshit that gets thrown out anyways. Athletes get tested. ESPECIALLY the current IOC in which all basketball players are subject to. IOC is unbias and does not care who you are.[/QUOTE]
You are proving my point actually.
Those getting busted are low level garbage.
And whos arguing they are not getting tested? Are you talking to yourself?
You keep arguing points I didn't make. Is that your style? :lol
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485463]Do you even know what saline solution is?
Look at this fool backed in a corner grabbing for straws. You're getting unravelled bud. Sit your ass down .[/QUOTE]
Just answer the question if youre so sure of yourself. Anything else is BS.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485479]You said steroids. I said PEDS.
Are you retarded?[/QUOTE]
What are PEDs? You nitpicking here? Steroids are PEDs. Not all PEDs are steroids. Do you know the difference?
:lol
Lol, you are getting destroyed so you're grasping for anything
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485480]That's how you are understanding the message.
Not my fault you get hurt when it pertains to PEDron. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Ahh I get it. You're a Lebron hater. So of course you don't have any solid basis to your theories. Now you're just a babbling idiot.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485484]Just answer the question if youre so sure of yourself. Anything else is BS.[/QUOTE]
Lol. I asked you first. You don't know. Lolol. I'll give you a hint, you can commonly buy it at drug stores and in everyday common household items. Don't goggle!
[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?187331-Why-Did-Jordan-Retire-In-93/page10"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?187331-Why-Did-Jordan-Retire-In-93/page10[/URL]
"Presenting opinions as facts" :lol
The irony
Your absolutely deluded, lebron is one of if not the most obvious case of peds in the history of sports:roll:
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485559]What are PEDs? You nitpicking here? Steroids are PEDs. Not all PEDs are steroids. Do you know the difference?
:lol
Lol, you are getting destroyed so you're grasping for anything[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485561]Ahh I get it. You're a Lebron hater. So of course you don't have any solid basis to your theories. Now you're just a babbling idiot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485562]Lol. I asked you first. You don't know. Lolol. I'll give you a hint, you can commonly buy it at drug stores and in everyday common household items. Don't goggle![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485484]Just answer the question if youre so sure of yourself. Anything else is BS.[/QUOTE]
Called it. :roll:
[url=https://imgbb.com/][img]https://i.ibb.co/MhrSxC0/images-4.jpg[/img][/url]
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485715]Called it. :roll:
[url=https://imgbb.com/][img]https://i.ibb.co/MhrSxC0/images-4.jpg[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
Nice deflection bud! Lol. You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. You have obviously nothing to come back with. But sure, let's keep bumping your ignorance!