NBA has suspended Gilbert Arenas indefinitely until investigation ends

[QUOTE=thejumpa]I love how people are waiting on this guys contract to get voided. Didn't happen before, not gonna happen now...keep wishing.

I've always wondered this, though. If you are in this much trouble, why can't you just make a call to David Stern to explain the situation? I mean, a quick phone call directly to Stern couldn't hurt anything. Any time I felt that I was in trouble at work, I felt it was better to go talk to the boss myself. If anything, it would prevent a whole lot of media/idiotic fan BS AND clear up some things. Just sayin...[/QUOTE]

As opposed to not calling Stern and making fun of not being suspended. Way too logical.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]The point I think you're missing is that the Jayson Williams gun situation was a progression. He didn't all of a sudden one tragic evening start playing around with guns. I remember reading articles about drunken target practice sessions long before the killing. There was even a rumor that he used to kill stray dogs for fun.

In Gilbert's case, the guns were unloaded but if this "outing" hadn't happened, who knows where things would have gone from there? Would Arenas, with his warped sense of humor have regarded it as out of bounds to bring a loaded gun to the locker room one day in the future? Can anyone say with certainty that he would have? I can't.

That's why Stern had to nip this in the bud. Had the league taken action when Jayson Williams' fascination with guns started to turn bizarre and dangerous, its possible that the limo driver would still be alive today.[/QUOTE]
Yep and apparently some people have no reasoning skills. I appreciate you posting a perfect reply.

[QUOTE=niko]As opposed to not calling Stern and making fun of not being suspended. Way too logical.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I bet if he were to directly talk to Stern prior to that interview, things could have been different. Calling Stern "mean" wasn't even that bad...

[QUOTE=thejumpa]Well, that's what I'm saying. I bet if he were to directly talk to Stern prior to that interview, things could have been different. Calling Stern "mean" wasn't even that bad...[/QUOTE]

I also know Stern had made it clear they didn't want to do anything until the indictments came down, which was honestly fair to arenas. That arenas get twitting and then made fun of it in the pregame was terrible, you can't give the middle finger to someone and then be surprised they are mad.

[QUOTE=niko]I also know Stern had made it clear they didn't want to do anything until the indictments came down, which was honestly fair to arenas. That arenas get twitting and then made fun of it in the pregame was terrible, you can't give the middle finger to someone and then be surprised they are mad.[/QUOTE]

I think it was more "I'm an ignorant fool who doesn't know when to shut and up and quit goofing around" more than giving someone the middle finger. He didn't seem to be trying to be disrespectful. Someone said something like "You play too much" in another thread. People use to say that to me all the time. People like that don't know when to draw the line...and are usually young as hell:oldlol:

[QUOTE=thejumpa]I think it was more "I'm an ignorant fool who doesn't know when to shut and up and quit goofing around" more than giving someone the middle finger. He didn't seem to be trying to be disrespectful. Someone said something like "You play too much" in another thread. People use to say that to me all the time. People like that don't know when to draw the line...and are usually young as hell:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

it's funny, we were just talking about at work how we would love to be life coaches for these nba players. i could if they'd listen to me set them up for life financially (with money to play no problem) and keep them out of jail. i wouldn't even need control of any money, just simple suggestions and day to day tips like "hire a driver tonight. leave your gun at home. don't propose to that stripper". i'm sure it sounds like i'm being sarcastic but if say, antoine walker had me advising him financially he'd still be super rich.

people who lack common sense need people around with common sense. like d howard, he has mom. rasheed has his wife. (Psycho as he is, he has mad money still.) Arenas unfortunately seems to have himself.

[QUOTE=niko]it's funny, we were just talking about at work how we would love to be life coaches for these nba players. i could if they'd listen to me set them up for life financially (with money to play no problem) and keep them out of jail. i wouldn't even need control of any money, just simple suggestions and day to day tips like "hire a driver tonight. leave your gun at home. don't propose to that stripper". i'm sure it sounds like i'm being sarcastic but if say, antoine walker had me advising him financially he'd still be super rich.

people who lack common sense need people around with common sense. like d howard, he has mom. rasheed has his wife. (Psycho as he is, he has mad money still.) Arenas unfortunately seems to have himself.[/QUOTE]

That's how it is. Unfortunately, a lot of cats who come from nothing don't understand proper money management. You would think it would be the other way around. I really think there should be some sort of financial program or something to guide these guys through the league. Nobody cares what they do with their money...only if they produce on the court. Sadly, that 19-21 year old mindstate never changes for some throughout their WHOLE career. It is what it is.....

Still, we don't know Arenas financial status. I mean, we haven't ever heard of him blowing money or anything. Just 1 gambling debt that he won't pay. I've done the same thing in certain situations..didn't mean I wasn't going broke or had a problem, though. It meant I didn't wanna pay that mothe****er for cheating!

[QUOTE=thejumpa]That's how it is. Unfortunately, a lot of cats who come from nothing don't understand proper money management. You would think it would be the other way around. I really think there should be some sort of financial program or something to guide these guys through the league. Nobody cares what they do with their money...only if they produce on the court. Sadly, that 19-21 year old mindstate never changes for some throughout their WHOLE career. It is what it is.....

Still, we don't know Arenas financial status. I mean, we haven't ever heard of him blowing money or anything. Just 1 gambling debt that he won't pay. I've done the same thing in certain situations..didn't mean I wasn't going broke or had a problem, though. It meant I didn't wanna pay that mothe****er for cheating![/QUOTE]

Did you ever see "A Bronx Story". This kid is working for the mobster. He sees his friend who owes him $20. He yells to him, the friend runs away. He goes to chase, the mobster grabs him. Asks "Do you have a gun, are you going to shoot him? ARe you going to sue him? What are you going to do?" Of course the kid had no plan other than running up and smacking him. So the mobster stops him because all it will do is get the kid in trouble.

Never fight to regain an immaterial amount of money. Sue? Ok. Ask for it? Sure. Get arrested for punching someone for an immaterial amount of money. You can't do things like that past the age of 15.

We've all done stupid immature things that were probably justified but at some point that needs to stop. I stopped a long time before 28. It's honestly sad. You know, we may never see the Arenas we know ever again because of a plane card game and a $1,000 bet that HE WASN'T INVOLVED IN. Arrgh...

You're right....it doesn't look like he was even involved in the actual money dispute. Judging on the news I just saw...things could get A LOT worse for everybody involved.

There are consquences to actions such as these and I can't see how people are defending this moron.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]You're right....it doesn't look like he was even involved in the actual money dispute. Judging on the news I just saw...things could get A LOT worse for everybody involved.[/QUOTE]

It looks like Critterdon is a huge hothead and Arenas just showed very poor judgment. I still think Arenas was trying to be intimidating but in no way do i think he was ever planning on doing anything. The problem the DA will run into is Arenas changed his story so he may wind up getting in the most trouble.

People need to know better than lying to the police. If you lie, you better not be able to be found out, and you CANNOT be planning on switching up when you get caught.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]No doubt. $10M is a lot to lose....to anybody. But, when have we ever heard about a contract being voided? Not Stephen Jacksons,Tinsleys, not Monta Ellis...no one. What is the Wizards argument anyway?

I'm saying it right now. His contract won't get voided. If I'm wrong I'll use a ****ing Laker avatar for the rest of the season:roll:[/QUOTE]

Yikes... according to the CBA it's illegal to bring fire arms into any nba arena. So he's pretty much a gonner. So get your Laker avatar ready. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=ScolaFan]Yikes... according to the CBA it's illegal to bring fire arms into any nba arena. So he's pretty much a gonner. So get your Laker avatar ready. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Gilbert Arenas plays in the NBA....not the CBA. Is that Canadian or something?:oldlol:

Seriously though, TMZ just had a report that the whole incident is on tape. I really hope **** doesn't go down. Probably will...

BTW...I didn't realize that people actually payed attention to my avatar statement. I said he had to have his contract voided anyway...:no:

None of Tinsley, Jackson, Daniels, Shawne Williams (do I need to keep going?) got charged with a felony. Apparently if you do it's grounds to void the contract.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]Gilbert Arenas plays in the NBA....not the CBA. Is that Canadian or something?:oldlol:

Seriously though, TMZ just had a report that the whole incident is on tape. I really hope **** doesn't go down. Probably will...

BTW...I didn't realize that people actually payed attention to my avatar statement. I said he had to have his contract voided anyway...:no:[/QUOTE]

collective bargaining agreement...

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]None of Tinsley, Jackson, Daniels, Shawne Williams (do I need to keep going?) got charged with a felony. Apparently if you do it's grounds to void the contract.[/QUOTE]
yep , exactly. Even if he avoids jail time by pleading guilty he still is pleading guilty to a felony charge. I can't see the Wiz being kind hearted and keep paying him stupid money.

[QUOTE=jaydacris]collective bargaining agreement...[/QUOTE]

Gotcha. I should have caught that.

If he get's charged with a felony, and they use that as an argument to void his contract...then ****. Arenas, I hope you have a good team of lawyers ready. Still, I don't think it will happen.

[quote=icemanfan]yep , exactly. Even if he avoids jail time by pleading guilty he still is pleading guilty to a felony charge. I can't see the Wiz being kind hearted and keep paying him stupid money.[/quote]

Hell the Wiz are probably praying they're able to void his deal.

it'll be interesting
if they void his contract, the nbapa will obviously fight for it and try to get him his contract unvoided

i believe that was the case with sprewell after the choke incident, if i recall he got his contract voided, but with the help of the nbapa he got all/most of his contract back

someone correct me if im wrong

[QUOTE=Wikipedia]1997 choking incident

Though a four-time All-Star, Sprewell's career has been permanently overshadowed by an incident on December 1, 1997, in which he attacked head coach P. J. Carlesimo during a Warriors practice. When Carlesimo yelled at Sprewell to make crisper passes (specifically asking him to "put a little mustard" on a pass[1]), Sprewell responded that he was not in the mood for criticism and told the coach to keep his distance. When Carlesimo approached, Sprewell threatened to kill him and dragged him to the ground by his throat, choking him for 10–15 seconds before his teammates pulled Sprewell off his coach. Sprewell returned about 20 minutes later and landed a glancing blow at Carlesimo before being dragged away again. It was not his first violent incident with the Warriors; in 1995, Sprewell fought with teammate Jerome Kersey and returned to practice carrying a two-by-four, and reportedly threatened to return with a gun.[2]
[edit] Aftermath

Sprewell was suspended for 10 days without pay. The next day, in the wake of a public uproar, the Warriors voided the remainder of his contract, which included $23.7 million over three years, and the NBA suspended him from the league for 82 games. Sprewell took the case to arbitration, and, as a result, the contract voiding was overturned and the league suspension was reduced to the remaining 68 games of the season. During his suspension, Sprewell was charged with reckless driving for his role in a 90 mph accident that injured two people, spending three months under house arrest as part of a no-contest plea.[2][3][/QUOTE]

My bet still stands.

Edit: Just to prove I'm serious, I challenge anyone reading this in some sort of avatar bet over Arenas' contract being voided. I doubt anyone will accept, though.

It's all in what he pleads to. If he pleads to a felony, there is a reasonable chance that he could have his contract voided but its not a slam dunk. Otherwise, no.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]You're entitled to your opinion, and I fully understand and respect it. But agree or disagree with him, he shouldn't be suspended for it.

Of course it was stupid, so what. That's not a reason to suspend him.[/QUOTE]
you can pinpoint the specific gesture as the reason for the suspension but it was really just a matter of the negative attention he was bringing to the league, not to mention a specific comment that he made about David Stern that should only be said behind closed doors with trusted friends or fam.

1997 may as well be 1897, the league's completely different now. There's a completely reworked CBA now.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]1997 may as well be 1897, the league's completely different now. There's a completely reworked CBA now.[/QUOTE]
This.

I think his contract has a legitimate chance of being voided. At least a good 50/50.

Offer still stands to anyone...

[quote=beasted86]This.

I think his contract has a legitimate chance of being voided. At least a good 50/50.[/quote]
If he pleads to a felony I think the odds are well north of that. 80%ish. JA Adande's got a piece discussing the ramifications of this on the upcoming talks for the new CBA. He thinks this could have a big part in fully guaranteed deals going the way of Darko's potential, and I'm inclined to agree. This could be huge.
[quote=thejumpa]Offer still stands to anyone...[/quote]
If he pleads to a felony it's a bet.

Bet now. Don't wait until something is in your advantage. Right now we don't know what would happen. I understand if you don't want to, though.

[quote=thejumpa]Bet now. Don't wait until something is in your advantage. Right now we don't know what would happen. I understand if you don't want to, though.[/quote]
Ok. His contract gets voided. Now we get to wait the 8 months or however long this takes to play out.

Ahh good point. I didn't think about that.

[QUOTE=monkeypox]Yeah, but Jayson Williams was just showing someone a gun he owned in the privacy of his own home. Which isn't nearly as bad as taking guns to work and jokingly telling someone to shoot you with them. [B] What if Gil left a bullet in the chamber of one of his guns and Javaris "jokingly" took a shot at Gil?[/B] What if Javaris actually played along and pointed the gun at Gil and a security guard shot Javaris down? What if Javaris saw Gils gun, thought he was going to get shot, and shot Gil with his own gun? These are all reasons why you don't bring a gun to work and joke around with them. Yeah different jobs have different rules. A cop can bring a gun to work, but at elementary school teacher can't. Just because a stripper can be butt naked at work doesn't mean you can too. The NBA is a place where you don't bring guns to work. Gilbert Arenas not only showed poor judgment, he followed that by showing that he didn't take any of this seriously. He got what he deserved.[/QUOTE]


this. i have had a friend accidentally shoot another because the clip was out but dumbass didn't realize there was a bullet in the chamber. guns aren't a ****ing toy. gilbo was obviously just playing around but that doesnt mean somebody could not have gotten hurt or killed.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]I don't care if it's a laughing matter, and I am not saying I agree with Arenas. I don't even like the guy. But even Stern admitted that he suspended him for the little joke at the end of last game. That's the shocking part for me. That someone is suspended for a joke. Even a bad one.

Icemanfan: we have laws, and far less gun problems and more security in Western Europe. But we do not have laws against jokes, thank god.[/QUOTE]
simple question. what would happen to you if you brought a gun to your school or work and got caught with it?

Reading the Wash Post article....Gilbert is retarded and so is Javaris who is getting away with catching heat. Altho he allegedly flashed and cocked his.

Somewhere Stern is laughing and asking gilbert [I]"dont u wanna shoot me? Here pick one [B]*lays out 4 guns to choose from*[/B]."[/I]

[QUOTE=GOBB]
Somewhere Stern is laughing and asking gilbert [I]"dont u wanna shoot me? Here pick one [B]*lays out 4 guns to choose from*[/B]."[/I][/QUOTE]

:lol :oldlol: