What is Kobe's legacy if he beats Miami's big 3 in the finals?

It still comes down to how he performs in the playoffs/finals vs the Heat.

Beating Miami's "Big 3" now, with this roster, wouldn't do nearly as much for his legacy had he done it in 2011. Now, if they Lakers get to the Finals and Kobe averages something like 28/5/5 and wins FMVP, I have no problem sliding him up to #6 or so all-time. Still can't put him ahead of Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Magic, and Chamberlain. And even then, I'd have a hard time putting him ahead of Bird, but 'one of those that value peak/prime more than longevity; not by a lot, but peak/prime influences my rankings more than longevity.

But, if the Lakers win it all next year, and Kobe plays well enough to win Finals MVP, then I have no problem putting him at the front of that Kobe/Shaq/Hakeem/Duncan group. But if they win, and Howard wins FMVP, and the balance of the Kobe/Dwight/Nash/Gasol quartet just proves to be too overwhelming, then I'd still probably have him in that 7-10 range.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Top 5[/QUOTE]

He'd have to pull off an insane run to enter top 5. I'm talking about another run of 3 straight finals, now if he won 3 straight then we're talking GOAT potential

Nothing, because it will not be him who beats them if that happens (most likely not)... it will be Dwight

All the pundits are predicting the Heat to win it all...still.
Kobe cannot improve his legacy very much, even if he wins fMVP yet again.
He is already deemed to be among the very best. That's it. Done.

[QUOTE=pauk]Nothing, because it will not be him who beats them if that happens (most likely not)... it will be Dwight[/QUOTE]
You sound like a Jordan junky....as if one player beats another team by himself.

Nash, Gasol, Kobe, Dwight and the rest of the crew will each have something to say before its all said and done.

[QUOTE=bleedinpurpleTwo]You sound like a Jordan junky....as if one player beats another team by himself.

Nash, Gasol, Kobe, Dwight and the rest of the crew will each have something to say before its all said and done.[/QUOTE]
Good luck guarding the perimeter against OKC and Miami

[QUOTE=bleedinpurpleTwo]You sound like a Jordan junky....as if one player beats another team by himself.

Nash, Gasol, Kobe, Dwight and the rest of the crew will each have something to say before its all said and done.[/QUOTE]

I just mean Dwight is better, this will be Dwights team

[QUOTE=All Net]I think most would agree Kobe is in that 9-10 range at the moment. Would beating Lebron and Wade in the finals jump him up to maybe the top 5 if he manages to beat these two superstars while winning his 6th championship and winning his 3rd finals MVP along with completing a Lakers 3-peat. A lot are expecting L.A to beat Miami due to the size factor but does Kobe leading Lakers to another 3-peat jump him even higher?[/QUOTE]

Even Bill Simmons, a notorious Kobe and Laker hater and relentless Boston homer, has Kobe Bryant at #6 all time.

9-10? :facepalm

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[QUOTE=Optimus Prime]Even Bill Simmons, a notorious Kobe and Laker hater and relentless Boston homer, has Kobe Bryant at #6 all time.

9-10? :facepalm

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Optimus, I don't think I've ever seen you make a post without the Kobe face after they put that in.

Don't ever change.

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[QUOTE=ginobli2311]you can't take things out of context. jordan was needed differently. he didn't have a low post presence to feed the ball to. [B] pippen was also playing injured/awful agains the jazz in 98. [/B] he was jacking up 3s left and right in some games because he couldn't even run.

so if you are going to compare.....please use context.[/QUOTE]

What are you even talking about?

Pippen didn't hurt his back till game 5 and through the first four games when the Bulls were up 3-1 a lot of people had him pegged him as the FMVP for the terrific defensive he was playing (he was completely disrupting the Jazz offense) and all around series he was having. This is what he was averaging through the first four games: 20.0ppg 6.75rpg 3.5apg .466%fg .315%3pt .812ft% 1.25spg 0.75bpg 2.5topg, so saying Pippen was playing "injured/awful" in some games when basically up until game 5 when he hurt his back he was basically the front runner for FMVP is some of the biggest bull shit I've ever heard. Up until he hurt his back his complete one man disruption of the Jazz offense and all around play had made him the most valuable player on the Bulls. They don't win that series without the work he put in before he got injured, period.

I think the OP meant to say..."What will happen to Dwight's legacy if he beats Lebron and the Heat in the Finals?"

lol these heat/lebron stans scared. that's their worst nightmare, kobe beating lebron in the finals.

[QUOTE=pauk]Nothing, because it will not be him who beats them if that happens (most likely not)... it will be Dwight[/QUOTE]

It's a team game retard. Aren't you the one always preaching about that? :facepalm

[QUOTE=swag2011]lol these heat/lebron stans scared. that's their worst nightmare, kobe beating lebron in the finals.[/QUOTE]
False. Our worst nightmare was LeBron never winning a ring but he did :pimp:
Don't get us confused with you kobetards, Kobe is the one ahead on the all-time list and his place is pretty much set, you guys are the ones scared LeBron's gonna surpass your boy. And he will. :pimp:

[QUOTE=RRR3]False. Our worst nightmare was LeBron never winning a ring but he did :pimp:
Don't get us confused with you kobetards, Kobe is the one ahead on the all-time list and his place is pretty much set, you guys are the ones scared LeBron's gonna surpass your boy. And he will. :pimp:[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=RRR3]False. Our worst nightmare was LeBron never winning a ring but he did :pimp:

Don't get us confused with you kobetards, Kobe is the one ahead on the all-time list and his place is pretty much set, you guys are the ones scared LeBron's gonna surpass your boy. And he will. :pimp:[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

I wonder who the Jordan stans pull for in this instance. I have no ****ing clue why [I]some[/I] of them act so insecure either.

[QUOTE=RRR3]False. Our worst nightmare was LeBron never winning a ring but he did :pimp:
Don't get us confused with you kobetards, Kobe is the one ahead on the all-time list and his place is pretty much set, you guys are the ones scared LeBron's gonna surpass your boy. And he will. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Nobody will ever even acknowledge the 2012 title except for LeBron stans and Miami homers. Just like nobody I know really acknowledges the 1999 NBA championship besides Spurs fans on ISH.

[QUOTE=Optimus Prime]Even Bill Simmons, a notorious Kobe and Laker hater and relentless Boston homer, has Kobe Bryant at #6 all time.

9-10? :facepalm

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What? Pretty sure he moved him from like 15th to 8th after he updated his list for the release of his paperback after Kobe won back-to-back titles and FMVP.

I think you mean "What is Dwight's legacy if he beats Miami's big 3".

[QUOTE=Smoke117]What are you even talking about?

Pippen didn't hurt his back till game 5 and through the first four games when the Bulls were up 3-1 a lot of people had him pegged him as the FMVP for the terrific defensive he was playing (he was completely disrupting the Jazz offense) and all around series he was having. This is what he was averaging through the first four games: 20.0ppg 6.75rpg 3.5apg .466%fg .315%3pt .812ft% 1.25spg 0.75bpg 2.5topg, so saying Pippen was playing "injured/awful" in some games when basically up until game 5 when he hurt his back he was basically the front runner for FMVP is some of the biggest bull shit I've ever heard. Up until he hurt his back his complete one man disruption of the Jazz offense and all around play had made him the most valuable player on the Bulls. They don't win that series without the work he put in before he got injured, period.[/QUOTE]


This.

Without Pippen there's absolutely no way that win that series. Though I'm not sure it's completely fair to say that Pippen was clearly the FMVP through the first four games. Jordan was playing pretty bad by his standards, but he was still putting up 32ppg 5rpg 2apg on 45% through the first four games.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]It's a team game retard. Aren't you the one always preaching about that? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Now that bronz has his astering, he sees rings as individual awards.

[QUOTE=RRR3]False. Our worst nightmare was LeBron never winning a ring but he did :pimp:
Don't get us confused with you kobetards, Kobe is the one ahead on the all-time list and his place is pretty much set, you guys are the ones scared LeBron's gonna surpass your boy. And he will. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
5-2>>>>>>> 1-2.


Bronz has a long way to go and wont ever top it.

He stays top 10 :confusedshrug: Maybe goes above Magic in Lakers rankings.

Undisputed GOAT.. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=KOBE143]Undisputed GOAT.. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Yeah...not even a little bit.

[QUOTE=All Net]I think most would agree Kobe is in that 9-10 range at the moment. Would beating Lebron and Wade in the finals jump him up to maybe the top 5 if he manages to beat these two superstars while winning his 6th championship and winning his 3rd finals MVP along with completing a Lakers 3-peat. A lot are expecting L.A to beat Miami due to the size factor but does Kobe leading Lakers to another 3-peat jump him even higher?[/QUOTE]

Only if he has an outstanding finals performance. If he gets dragged into another ring on the talent of his teammates, it doesn't mean shit other than he's on one of the most stacked starting 5 in history.

[QUOTE=swag2011]lol these heat/lebron stans scared. that's their worst nightmare, kobe beating lebron in the finals.[/QUOTE]

What? Dude we aren't going to lose any sleep over Kobe beating Lebron. Especially when he's got a starting lineup of Gasol/Howard/Nash. I'm just excited to watch that series if it actually happens. If they lose they lose, I'm more upset about us losing to an inferior Mavericks team in 2011.

My main concern was just getting a ring. Everything after that is gravy.